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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: I belive to be a species of whiptail??? PLEASE help!!!! :: Reply by ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Oooo. That's a nice fish.<br />Want one. <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_tasty.gif" alt=":P" title="Mmm mmm good..." />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (L number Banana)</author>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Need your help to identify :: Reply by Boupette</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Oh oh! Somebody found this: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=synodontis+ornatipinnis&amp;image_id=7320">http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/im ... ge_id=7320</a><!-- m --><br />It looks a lot like mines, could it be a Synodontis ornatipinnis? <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=552">http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/sp ... ies_id=552</a><!-- m --> What do you think?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Boupette)</author>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Need your help to identify :: Reply by racoll</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[There has been a bit of debate on how many of those cat-elog fish are actually <span style="font-style: italic">S. ornatipinnis</span>. <br /><br />Nobody was sure, but the real <span style="font-style: italic">S. ornatipinnis</span> are almost unheard of in the trade, and when they are available, they are adults.<br /><br />Young <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Synodontis decorus"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Synodontis decorus/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Synodontis decorus&quot; /><br/>Synodontis decorus&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Synodontis decorus</em></a> hybrids on the other hand are available in nearly every petshop in the world. <br /><br />The chances of your fish being a real <span style="font-style: italic">S. ornatipinnis</span> is about 0.0001%. <br /><br /> <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (racoll)</author>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 04:25:08 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Need your help to identify :: Reply by Richard B</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think your fish is a variation on <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Synodontis sp_hybrid&#40;3&#41;"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Synodontis sp_hybrid&#40;3&#41;/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Synodontis sp_hybrid&#40;3&#41;&quot; /><br/>Synodontis sp_hybrid&#40;3&#41;&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Synodontis sp_hybrid&#40;3&#41;</em></a> often sold in the uk as Syno Zebrinus. I believe this fish is likely to be a cross between Synos schoutedeni &amp; angelica.<br /><br />I have often been critical of the ID of fish labelled ornatipinnis. I have seen wild ornatipinnis &amp; although beautiful their markings are consistently not as bold as fish being offered. In my 30+ years of fishkeeping i have seen less than half a dozen which i know to be genuine &amp; all have been 4-5&quot; SL &amp; cost £85-£125.<br /><br />Tiny fish, offered in quantity, with bold markings is indicative of something that is being commercially bred &amp; probably a hybrid. In your case i'm sure it is a hybrid species.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Richard B)</author>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Need your help to identify :: Reply by Boupette</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thaks a lot. I'll post other pics when they'll allow me to. <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup.gif" alt=":thumbsup:" title="A OK!" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Boupette)</author>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:36:58 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: New pl*co's, L260 or L411? :: Author Sanplec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Good morning everyone,<br /><br />Yesterday I've bought three pl*co's in Belgium as L260.<br />I was looking at them this morning and they where not colored as a L260.<br />This is why I doubt this is L260, please have a look.<br /><br />Plec 1<br /><img src="http://www.hypancistrus.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/pleco1.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.hypancistrus.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/pleco1.1.jpg" alt="Image" /><br />I think this might be a mopskopf?<br /><br />Plec 2<br /><img src="http://www.hypancistrus.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/pleco2.jpg" alt="Image" /><br />At the background one of my subadult L260, you can see different color of the stripes<br /><br /><img src="http://www.hypancistrus.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/pleco2.1.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br />Plec 3<br /><img src="http://www.hypancistrus.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/pleco3.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.hypancistrus.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/pleco3.1.jpg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Sanplec)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:42:57 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: New pl*co's, L260 or L411? :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[How big are they? L411 gets much bigger than L260.<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (MatsP)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:47:39 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: New pl*co's, L260 or L411? :: Reply by Sanplec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[@ Mats:<br />Not fully grown, they're 7 cm<br />My subadult L260 has more yellow of golden stripes then these plecs]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Sanplec)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:00:12 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: New pl*co's, L260 or L411? :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I do believe they are L411 at that size and colour.<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:42:03 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: New pl*co's, L260 or L411? :: Reply by wayneg</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[the top pic looks like it has a snubnose]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (wayneg)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:49:49 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: New pl*co's, L260 or L411? :: Reply by Sanplec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>wayneg wrote:</cite>the top pic looks like it has a snubnose</div></blockquote><br />I agree, the German call it a mopskopf]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Sanplec)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 12:00:55 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: New pl*co's, L260 or L411? :: Reply by jbmm</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[no spots, no l260  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (jbmm)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:27:48 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: New pl*co's, L260 or L411? :: Reply by claro</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi,<br /><br />for me it is L411.<br /><br />  Milan]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (claro)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 20:36:33 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: New pl*co's, L260 or L411? :: Reply by pleco22</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi,<br />sorry to say, but this is Hypancistrus sp. L 411 and not L 260. Body shape, fin and pattern is typical. L 260 is blurred with L 410, so even when the pattern looks different, there are many hybrids out there. Real L 260 are very rare.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (pleco22)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:10:12 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Help Please!  It's an L number!  After that I'm Lost! :: Author wickerydene</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I do not normally buy things that I do not know what they are!  But these beauties caught me on a day where I had some cash burning a hole in my pocket.  I have 4 in total!<br /><br />I have some knowledge of Tropical fish, but once I get to L numbers etc - I start to get lost!<br /><br />Sorry about the picture quality:  I did my best!<br /><br />Here is as much as I know - they are anywhere between 12 - 24 months old<br />Total Lengths: between 5.5 and 9.0 cm.<br />They have not really grown at all in the last 3 months.<br />They spend most of their day on bogwood, although don't seem particularly shy (but this could be due to the fact that they had been at the LFS for 4 months plus ....<br /><br />Basically I am hoping to id these, or at least narrow it down to a couple and then look for more specific pointers to id them fully. <br /><br />If you need anymore info please ask!<br /><br />Thank-you in advance for your help.  It is much appreciated.<br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia2 -->L1.JPG<!-- ia2 --></div><br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia1 -->L2.JPG<!-- ia1 --></div><br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia0 -->L3.JPG<!-- ia0 --></div>]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (wickerydene)</author>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:26:20 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Help Please!  It's an L number!  After that I'm Lost! :: Reply by Bijn</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I'm not an expert but I think they are Panaque sp. L204 or a close related species.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Bijn)</author>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:37:08 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Help Please!  It's an L number!  After that I'm Lost! :: Reply by ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[L204?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (The.Dark.One)</author>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:37:51 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Help Please!  It's an L number!  After that I'm Lost! :: Reply by ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[definitely <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/L204"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/L204/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;L204&quot; /><br/>L204&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>L204</em></a><br /><br />and a very nice one in the picture! They often lose the caudal filaments due to bad water conditions, but this one really is striking in its appearance! Bear in mind tho, they will get more and more black when they age. The golden lines break into dots or completely disappear over time. Nevertheless, they stay very pretty even in this condition in my opinion. I have one male L204 he is about 5 years of age, lost most of its gold but still is a handsome fellow. They gain in volume when they are fully grown, very nice species if you ask me. They feed mainly on bogwood so be sure to provide them with new pieces of wood from time to time. different kinds of wood promote growth!<br /><br />also, read this for more info: <br /><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/cotm/cotm.php?species=panaque+sp%28l204%29&amp;article_id=307">http://www.planetcatfish.com/cotm/cotm. ... cle_id=307</a><!-- m --><br /><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/shanesworld.php?article_id=354&amp;title=Spawning+Panaque+sp%2C+L204">http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworl ... sp%2C+L204</a><!-- m -->]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (DutchFry)</author>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:55:55 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Help Please!  It's an L number!  After that I'm Lost! :: Reply by ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[100% positive <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/L204"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/L204/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;L204&quot; /><br/>L204&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>L204</em></a><br /><br />In addition to everything Tim said, I keep mine at 28 - 30 degrees C, and provide about 9,500 Ltr/hr of circulation in a 270 litre tank.<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />Geoff]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks Guys - looks like I have L204<br /><br />What sort of money should I have paid for these ....  ???? (UK)<br /><br />Is there anyway of sexing these?<br /><br />Mark]]></description>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Help Please!  It's an L number!  After that I'm Lost! :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I'd say about £25 would be a average price, where shops can range from about £15 to £45, depending on size and where you buy it. Price of fish can vary GREATLY between one shop and another. I bought a 6&quot; L128 a few months back for £32. I have also seen 2&quot; L128 at a price of £55. <br /><br />Sexing depends on the fish being fairly mature - any less than about 5&quot; (total length) and you're probably going to struggle. Mature, established males will have &quot;hair&quot; on the back of the body, as well as longer spikes by the side of the head. Females have much less hairy body and gill-plate spikes, as well as having a bigger belly-area. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[definate flash pl*co]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:19:31 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Wild Synodontis from Tanganyika, need help ID'ing please :: Author MikesRifts</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi all,<br />I recently imported some wild Lake Tanganyikan Synodontis.<br />They came in as mixed species from Crocodile Island, Zambia.<br /><br />These I think these are S. polli<br />This one I suspect is a large female?<br /><img src="http://riftvalleycichlids.co.uk/cpme/albums/userpics/synodontis_polli1.jpg" alt="Image" /><br />I these I think are males and show a green cast to them<br /><img src="http://riftvalleycichlids.co.uk/cpme/albums/userpics/synodontis_polli2.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://riftvalleycichlids.co.uk/cpme/albums/userpics/synodontis_polli3.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br />This one has me stumped, I think its looks like S. tanganyicae but it does not match up to some of the pics you have here.<br /><br /><img src="http://riftvalleycichlids.co.uk/cpme/albums/userpics/synodontis_sp1.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://riftvalleycichlids.co.uk/cpme/albums/userpics/synodontis_sp3.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://riftvalleycichlids.co.uk/cpme/albums/userpics/synodontis_sp2.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br />Any ideas or comments appreciated  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:54:04 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Wild Synodontis from Tanganyika, need help ID'ing please :: Reply by ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I do not have too much time to look but will look closer later...<br /><br />First one is <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Synodontis polli"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Synodontis polli/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Synodontis polli&quot; /><br/>Synodontis polli&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Synodontis polli</em></a>...it is a male<br /><br />Second is polli as well, can not tell sex<br /><br />The other species could very well be <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Synodontis tanganyicae"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Synodontis tanganyicae/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Synodontis tanganyicae&quot; /><br/>Synodontis tanganyicae&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Synodontis tanganyicae</em></a> the long adipose fin and long sloping snout,also does not have the high back of say a <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Synodontis irsacae"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Synodontis irsacae/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Synodontis irsacae&quot; /><br/>Synodontis irsacae&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Synodontis irsacae</em></a> first is a male can not say for other.Will look closer at this one for sure later with papers in hand.<br /><br />Of course as with many shipped fish they look like they could use a meal or two.<br /><br />Birger]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Birger)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think you added another picture...this is the one is a male of this species.<br /><br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia0 -->synodontis_sp3.jpg<!-- ia0 --></div>]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Birger)</author>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:30:59 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Mike<br /><br />I hope you're keeping well. Nice to see you here at PC.<br /><br />There is an awful lot of confusion about the ID's of tanganyicae irsacae etc and there may well be unidentified species in the lake which are similar to those that are described. These 2 species seldom make it to the uk with definite ID's so it'll perhaps be tricky to say what they are for sure. They are different to the tanganyicae that i had from you the other year though which i was pretty certain was indeed Tanganyicae. I have a very similar specimen to the ones pictured &amp; has remained a &quot;long, lean&quot; fish, so i believe it may be unidentified (unless we have been incorrectly id-ing one of the known species that is seldom seen???)<br /><br />I hope this makes sense?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Richard B)</author>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 09:25:09 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Richard,<br />nice to bump into you again  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> <br /><br />Some of the pics in the S. irsacae match what I have,<br /><img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/images/full/mochokidae/synodontis/irsacae/15.jpg" alt="Image" /><br />The top fish has the same long head and 'slinky' body proportions.<br />The body on these is reminiscent of petricola but not as deep as the tanganyicae you took last year.<br />I'm not sure myself if they are tanganyicae.<br />The larger fish show a nice clean white background with clear black spots so they are potentially very pretty fish.<br />I'll see if I can get some more pics of these fish put up but there are 35 fish in the tank at the moment and none of em will stay still for very long!<br />I also suspect some of the polli are different as well.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 10:17:48 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[With species like Lucipinnis, Ilebrevis, Irsacae &amp; Grandiops only being described recently &amp; their names not well known or in common usage it suggests to me that other species have been seen in imports which we try to pigeonhole against named species although they are actually undescribed. The fish you've had previously would be a good point in question, namely the fabulous little synos which had the commercial name &quot;dhonti small spot&quot;. Quite clearly this is a separate species but but a described one. I genuinely believe that the lake has a lot to reveal to us yet.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:41:19 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>I also suspect some of the polli are different as well.</div></blockquote><br /><br />We are still looking to identify for the catelog <span style="font-style: italic">Synodontis ilebrevis</span><br />Which I think are close to S.polli<br /><br />As suggested here <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&amp;t=30468">viewtopic.php?f=8&amp;t=30468</a><!-- l --><br /><br />I agree with Richard ...there will still be many surprises from this lake. I am looking forward to hopefully having a conversation on this with Jeremy Wright at the convention in October.<br /><br />Birger]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:32:11 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hey,<br /><br />I have a single specimen of probably this species in my tank for about 2 years now. It hasn't grown at all. Absence of growth rull out S. tanganyicae I guess. My specimen is 7-8 cm TL.<br />Here is a photo of my fish - comes from vicinity of crocodile island as well.<br /><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.suephoto.com/index.php/galeria/index/5/343">http://www.suephoto.com/index.php/galeria/index/5/343</a><!-- m --><br /><br />Evert van Ammelrooy mentioned few times when we have met that in shores of crocodile island are numerous species of synos which he has not seen anywhere in a lake.<br /><br />Regards.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Worton,<br />thanks for the link  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> <br />the pics on Sue Photo, how accurate are they?<br />Its looks like I have tanganyicae, ilebrevis, polli and irsacae.<br />So the original estimate of 4 species by the exporter maybe right.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.suephoto.com/system/application/galerie/galeria1/foto/foto_137/4dfdbcfdd7f12ca9dd127177058e00e8.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.suephoto.com/system/application/galerie/galeria1/foto/foto_343/7642c9652bce0cf752baee5384490446.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/images/full/mochokidae/synodontis/polli/10.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.suephoto.com/system/application/galerie/galeria1/foto/foto_337/be2bbb5c1b83f90df3cfe553f7109a64b4e754f5.jpg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:46:18 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hey,<br /><br />all catfishes and mastacembelidae on  Sue's page were identified by me in most cases after posting photos here and shorter or longer discussion, which in not obvious species usually ended like &quot;probably this&quot; or &quot;maybe that&quot; - that's the way discussion about not common tanganyikan synos usually ends.' So catfishes on Sue's page shouldn't be threated like 100% right ids. There are a lot of undescribed species in a lake and probably they are still during the creation phase in Lake Tanganyika - we won't be always able to say what is what and we just have to live with that <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />. In last few years I've met few persons that regulary visit lake Tanganyika and they always says that there is much more species than a hobbyst may be aware of. Good rule is to avoid hybridisation in aquarium, so keep familiary looking species in different tanks.<br /><br />Also in c*****ds cases exporters are interested in some varieties of particular species because they sell the best - for example N. leleupi - there is a lot of spotted specimens in a lake but we see only yellows - they sell much better than dull colored, spotted fish. In catfishes exporters do not know much more than that syno granulosus is expensive and multipunctata will sell for sure so we may see more different varieties than in c*****ds. <br /><br />Anyway you have nice synos - enjoy them <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />.<br /><br />Have you seen this movie about breeding S. polli?<br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Eq-mL-hIE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Eq-mL-hIE</a><!-- m --><br />it will give you an idea how they may spawn.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[I have a lot of reservations about the ID of Ilebrevis - the pic in Seegars looks very different (presuming that fish is accurately ID'd in the first place, which i'd hope it was), particularly headshape. I haven't got a copy of the '06 paper describing it to hand at present]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 13:00:38 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>I have a lot of reservations about the ID of Ilebrevis - the pic in Seegars looks very different (presuming that fish is accurately ID'd in the first place, which i'd hope it was), particularly headshape. I haven't got a copy of the '06 paper describing it to hand at present</div></blockquote><br />This is the one we still have the most trouble with <span style="font-weight: bold">of the described species</span>...and am with you on the reservations,with the few questionable pics in Seegers (still a good book though) like I mentioned hope to bug Jeremy Wright on this and see about a photo(live)or some such thing to help us out. <br /><br />Birger]]></description>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: plecs need ID :: Author JoePlec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[i know its posted in wrong section but im unsure where it should go]]></description>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: plecs need ID :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[They are both <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Pterygoplichthys"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Pterygoplichthys/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Pterygoplichthys&quot; /><br/>Pterygoplichthys&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Pterygoplichthys</em></a>, that's absolutely certain. The first is a breeding form of, I think, <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Pterygoplichthys pardalis"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Pterygoplichthys pardalis/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Pterygoplichthys pardalis&quot; /><br/>Pterygoplichthys pardalis&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Pterygoplichthys pardalis</em></a>, the second is, unless you have good evidence of otherwise [e.g. known export location from a well-known specialist], a nice coloured specimen of the same species, <span style="font-style: italic">P. pardalis</span>. <br /><br />[Post edited to explain better]<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Just by looking at the pictures i thought <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/L011"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/L011/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;L011&quot; /><br/>L011&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>L011</em></a> for the silver one.. but im usually wrong]]></description>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: plecs need ID :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Definitely not <span style="font-style: italic">Squaliforma</span> - count the rays in the dorsal fin (no, I can't do that with the current picture, but the way the dorsal folds on that fish is clearly a large dorsal fin) - you'll find that it's definitely more than 8, probably 11 or 12. This is key to <span style="font-style: italic">Pterygoplichthys</span> species - there are a few other species with more than 8 dorsal rays, but they are so different that we can exclude them immediately. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[i was going off the shifty eyes and the orange fins haha]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[I'm going to move this post to the ID forum, by the way, as I don't see any form of &quot;selling&quot; info in the thread. <br /><br />&quot;shifty eyes&quot; and &quot;a tad orange on fins&quot; is definitely not an unusual pattern in Loricariidae - several dozen species matches the latter, and nearly all match the former. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:26:37 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[so do they have specific l numbers? i keep going fish shops and buying fish i didnt really want to get haha]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:43:53 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[No L-numbers for these, as they have been in the trade before L-numbers were even thought of. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:49:16 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[also today fish i had bought as &quot;dwarf bristlenose&quot; 2f 1m, i looked in cave and the male has a nice little clump of eggs he is fanning.. do dwarf bristlenose have an l number, when i say dwarf. the male and female are both around 2 inches.. male has nice bristles]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:00:46 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: plecs need ID :: Reply by MatsP</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&amp;t=30848&amp;p=199873#p199873</link>
            <description><![CDATA[If they are <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Ancistrus cf_cirrhosus"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Ancistrus cf_cirrhosus/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Ancistrus cf_cirrhosus&quot; /><br/>Ancistrus cf_cirrhosus&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Ancistrus cf_cirrhosus</em></a> which is by far the most common bristlenose, then no, they don't have an L-number - for the same reason as above. <br /><br />If they are something else, then perhaps... Without knowing what it is, it's almost impossible to say. I don't think there is any other fish than the above species that is commonly sold under &quot;dwarf bristlenose&quot; (which by the way is a misnomer, as the common bristlenose is by no means a dwarf unless it's stunted by inadequate care - I've had ones that were about 5&quot;, and yes, they can breed at the 2&quot; length). There are some other species that are quite small, such as <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Ancistrus claro"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Ancistrus claro/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Ancistrus claro&quot; /><br/>Ancistrus claro&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Ancistrus claro</em></a>, but they are quite rare in the trade [particularly as they are similar to the common variant, but a bit harder to breed, and only available as import from South America, so more expensive]. <br /><br />Having an L-number isn't an important key to whether the fish is &quot;good&quot; or not - L-numbers are just a way to identify fish that haven't been scientifically described, and that are new in the trade (or were new when the first L-numbers came about), instead of using common names that are vaguely different (gold wavy stripe pl*co, yellow stripe pl*co, light brown wavy and spotty pl*co, etc, etc).<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:29:41 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[well ill take a couple o pics for ya to look at but ive kept lots of bristlenose and never seen them this small.. the male has nice little bristles.. i had no idea they wud breed. i thought the previous owner had told a porky. but not at all..]]></description>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Which Peckoltia? :: Author tvemar</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Which Peckoltia?<br />About 15 cm TL.<br /><br /><img src="http://nettakvariet.no/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66482&amp;d=1283100535" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://nettakvariet.no/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66490&amp;d=1283246276" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://nettakvariet.no/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66489&amp;d=1283246264" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://nettakvariet.no/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66488&amp;d=1283246246" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://nettakvariet.no/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66487&amp;d=1283246236" alt="Image" /><br /><br />Thanks!]]></description>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Which Peckoltia? :: Reply by Bijn</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I can't see any picture]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:05:37 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Can you post links to pictures that doesn't need registration in a different forum to be seen? [I'm not even sure they work if you are a member of nettakvariet, but it certainly isn't working when you aren't a member]. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Oops, sorry.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/download/file.php?mode=view&amp;id=4748&amp;sid=51c5db45af323892e7b7dbec9a690d51" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/download/file.php?mode=view&amp;id=4749&amp;sid=51c5db45af323892e7b7dbec9a690d51" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/download/file.php?mode=view&amp;id=4750&amp;sid=51c5db45af323892e7b7dbec9a690d51" alt="Image" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:19:08 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/download/file.php?mode=view&amp;id=4751&amp;sid=51c5db45af323892e7b7dbec9a690d51" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/download/file.php?mode=view&amp;id=4752&amp;sid=51c5db45af323892e7b7dbec9a690d51" alt="Image" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:20:15 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Which Peckoltia? :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[It doesn't look like any species I recognise. Do you have any idea where it's from - even the country that it was exported from would be some help. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:45:51 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Which Peckoltia? :: Reply by husky_jim</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Maybe the adult version of <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Peckoltia sp&#40;l377&#41;"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Peckoltia sp&#40;l377&#41;/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Peckoltia sp&#40;l377&#41;&quot; /><br/>Peckoltia sp&#40;l377&#41;&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Peckoltia sp&#40;l377&#41;</em></a>???<br /><br />I think it is the closest match..... <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup.gif" alt=":thumbsup:" title="A OK!" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:44:17 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>MatsP wrote:</cite>It doesn't look like any species I recognise. Do you have any idea where it's from - even the country that it was exported from would be some help. <br /><br />--<br />Mats</div></blockquote><br />I got them from someone who bought them as &quot;WC L-340&quot;, unfortunately I don't have any more information.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:54:53 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Which Peckoltia? :: Reply by Yann</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi!<br /><br />from what I see I would say this is <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Peckoltia caenosa"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Peckoltia caenosa/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Peckoltia caenosa&quot; /><br/>Peckoltia caenosa&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Peckoltia caenosa</em></a><br /><br />Really nice find!!<br /><br />Cheers<br />Yann]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 07:22:45 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think Yann is right. Certainly the vermiculation on the belly area is right, which I haven't seen in any other Peckoltia. <br /><br />Would be nice to have a ventral view of L377. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 08:30:19 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Which Peckoltia? :: Reply by Borbi</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi,<br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>Would be nice to have a ventral view of L377. </div></blockquote><br /><br />You can find one here:<br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.l-welse.com/reviewpost/showproduct.php/product/392">http://www.l-welse.com/reviewpost/showp ... roduct/392</a><!-- m --><br /><br />Cheers, Sandor]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:11:12 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Which Peckoltia? :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I meant that it would be good if we had a picture in the Cat-eLog, but finding a picture elsewhere is helpful in that it rules out L377 - it's got plain white on the belly, which is different from <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Peckoltia caenosa"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Peckoltia caenosa/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Peckoltia caenosa&quot; /><br/>Peckoltia caenosa&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Peckoltia caenosa</em></a> and the fish in the picture. So I think we have a match. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:58:09 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Which Peckoltia? :: Reply by husky_jim</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Can anyone send the description/taxonomy paper of Peckoltia Caenosa ?<br /><br />Thanks!]]></description>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: Which Peckoltia? :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[There is a link to the 76-page Zootaxa paper in the Cat-eLog page (in the &quot;references&quot; section). It is freely available to anyone, so you don't need a subscription or anything.<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: ID Dark Brown Pl*co Pls? :: Author klaw</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[This fish was sold to a friend as  a Common pl*co - Hypostomus plecostomus.  Can you id please?<br />thanks<br />Kim]]></description>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: ID Dark Brown Pl*co Pls? :: Reply by Dave Rinaldo</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Pterygoplichthys gibbiceps"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Pterygoplichthys gibbiceps/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Pterygoplichthys gibbiceps&quot; /><br/>Pterygoplichthys gibbiceps&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Pterygoplichthys gibbiceps</em></a> <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: ID Dark Brown Pl*co Pls? :: Reply by corybrummie2010</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Kim,welcome to planetcatfish <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> <br />I agree with Dave Rinaldo,i think your friend was sold a <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Pterygoplichthys gibbiceps"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Pterygoplichthys gibbiceps/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Pterygoplichthys gibbiceps&quot; /><br/>Pterygoplichthys gibbiceps&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Pterygoplichthys gibbiceps</em></a> and not hypostomus plecostomus which is rare.They are very common and normally sold as sailfin plec.They can grow upto 45cm and a tank of 200cm must be needed when fully grown.]]></description>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: ID Dark Brown Pl*co Pls? :: Reply by andywoolloo</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[beautiful one at that !  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup.gif" alt=":thumbsup:" title="A OK!" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:44:05 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>What is my catfish? :: Re: ID Dark Brown Pl*co Pls? :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Just to confirm the ID and epxlain why: Hypostomus have 8 rays in their dorsal fin. Pterygoplichthys species have 10-14 dorsal rays. Even without counting, I can see that the fish in this picture has more than 8 rays - simply by looking at the shape. <br /><br />The pattern on the fish also puts it in P. gibbiceps. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 06:58:18 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Taxonomy &amp; Science News :: Re: Two new Pseudolaguvia :: Reply by The.Dark.One</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Silurus<br /><br />Can you please provide SL size from the description for these species?<br />Thanks]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:10:08 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Taxonomy &amp; Science News :: Re: Two new Pseudolaguvia :: Reply by Silurus</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<span style="font-style: italic">P. ferruginea</span>: 28 mm SL<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic">P. flavida</span>: 25 mm SL]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Silurus)</author>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:05:55 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Taxonomy &amp; Science News :: Re: Two new Pseudolaguvia :: Reply by The.Dark.One</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 09:38:04 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Looking for a good home, can you help? :: Reply by steve-d</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[i do <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br /><br />am i allowed to posted email here?<br />if not i apologise in advance<br /><br />flatoutandscreaming at gmail dot com<br /><br /><img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (steve-d)</author>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 11:28:03 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Looking for a good home, can you help? :: Reply by kipper</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Steve, I take it you want the fish? (i'm near bradford) and I guess the flatoutscreaming is your email? <br /><br />If you do want them I have a polly box for transport but a couple of heavy duty bags may be a good thing to bring, sorry I don't have access to propper fish bag's anymore, the plec is at least 8&quot; and the syno 6 to 7&quot;. (will save the syno getting scratched by the plec if they get bagged separatly) I guess one bag for the syno would do, and float it in the box with the cory and plec. <br /><br />Let me know on here and I will e mail you my address and arrange a day for a pickup.<br /><br />Best for now.........Kipper.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:08:12 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Looking for a good home, can you help? :: Reply by catmandave</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Ah, I can smell the bacon cooking now!]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (catmandave)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 14:09:42 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Breeding Synodontis eupterus? :: Reply by qwerty</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>tokyo wrote:</cite>Thanks<br /><br />How do you know when they are sexually mature? How long does it take to reach this point from 1&quot; fish?</div></blockquote><br /><br />S. eupterus is mature in about one year of age in fast growing individuals and may be more than 2 years in slow ones. Your fish in 1 inch size may be 2 month old, but may be also 6 month. This is becouse growth of Synodontis is VERY irregular (or at least my 7 riverin species). There is no any visible sign of maturity, however for reproduction there is another condition required - females must have ripe oocytes (eggs). This is visible well - they have very enlarged abdomen. At this stage you have two possibilites: you may start trials with hormones, or you may wait for natural reproduction. In may opinion (and experiences), first possibility is a bit more difficult -you must start your own reserch, it requires work with literature, not one paper - many articles must be digested, for various groups of fish, put info together and find your own way. But there is certain chance for succes. You may obtain few thousand of eggs (bigger species of Synos are incredible fertile), if you will be really lucky, some ofe them will be fertilized, you will observe their hathing, development, growth and really fascinating changes in coloration of youngs. Second possibility is much easier - just sit and do nothink, wait - probably for ever. I have read here many times sentences how bloody Easteren European aquarists are unhuman using hormons for fish reproduction. But it seems to me that some aquarists in overseas are a bit lazy to try something new.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 08:46:24 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Breeding Synodontis eupterus? :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>qwerty wrote:</cite>I have read here many times sentences how bloody Easteren European aquarists are unhuman using hormons for fish reproduction. But it seems to me that some aquarists in overseas are a bit lazy to try something new.</div></blockquote><br /><br />&lt;sarcasm&gt;Whether you are human or not, I can't say  [unless you are a robot, you probably are].&lt;/sarcasm&gt;<br /><br />It _IS_, in my opinion, <span style="font-weight: bold">inhumane</span> to use hormone injections to breed fish. To NOT breed with hormones is not lazy, it is the natural method. I can see the purpose of using hormones for food production, but if the purpose of breeding the fish is a hobby project, for personal satisfaction, then using hormones is not the right way to go - it's about as satisfying as turning the cards over when playing solitaire [the card game that comes with many computers] and moving them around to solve the puzzle. <br /><br />Breeding the natural way involves understanding what the fish needs - and sometimes that can be a complex set of circumstances involving changes in one or more of these:<br />temperature<br />pH<br />conductivity<br />food (availability/types)<br />water level<br />moonlight<br />day/night-length [unlikely in tropical fish]<br /><br />Some species may also be affected by hormones in the water from other fish spawning, but I don't think that's really as common as people say it is - it is more likely that if the circumstances for spawning one species is right, another species spawning at the same time may simply be that it's right for that species as well. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (MatsP)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:09:46 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Breeding Synodontis eupterus? :: Reply by Bas Pels</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>MatsP wrote:</cite>Some species may also be affected by hormones in the water from other fish spawning, but I don't think that's really as common as people say it is </div></blockquote><br /><br />personally, without any research done, I would assume only the true pisciforous fishes - where hatching fry will need other fry to predate upon might need other fishes hormones<br /><br />For other fish it would, after all, be stupit to wait untill the competition has arrived - and evolution normally takes care of stupid solutions<br /><br />Back to S eupterus - it has a large distribution, and in all those rivers it manages to do without human intervention. Whatever is the trick, the trick should be fairly simple]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Bas Pels)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:06:19 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Breeding Synodontis eupterus? :: Reply by qwerty</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hm...I expected reply like this<br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>It _IS_, in my opinion, <span style="font-weight: bold">inhumane</span> to use hormone injections to breed fish.</div></blockquote> <br />Why? Because of pain by a needle?<br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>To NOT breed with hormones is not lazy, it is the natural method.</div></blockquote> <br /> What do you mean by natural method? Glass tank with electric filter, light tubes,... fish fed by flakes containing tens of chemical additives, various conditioners and other chemicals in water? Is this natural? Please explain me why hormons are excluded in your natural methods. How many fish (synodontis)have you used for your natural method? How many of them were wild caught? There is no any documented report of so called natural method of riverin synodontis reproduction. So that how many experiments with breeding conditions (espetially moonligt may be interesting!) should be done to accept, that this is not a way to substitute import of wild caught fish? Of course, majority of Synodontis species are common fish in thair habitats but some fish species are not and you participate on that industry if you buy imported fish. Especially if you buy them without reasonable chance for reproduction. This is an solitair game: dead fish in collection is replaced by a new one from pet shop.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (qwerty)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:04:10 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Breeding Synodontis eupterus? :: Reply by qwerty</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Bas Pels wrote:</cite><br />Back to S eupterus - it has a large distribution, and in all those rivers it manages to do without human intervention. Whatever is the trick, the trick should be fairly simple</div></blockquote><br /><br />It is clear that wild Synodontis know how to do it without hormon injection. <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><br /><br />[Mod edit: Fix quotes to not attribute the actual quoted text to the wrong author --Mats]]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (qwerty)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:09:48 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Breeding Synodontis eupterus? :: Reply by Birger</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>There is no any documented report of so called natural method of riverin synodontis reproduction.</div></blockquote><br />This is not true...<a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Synodontis shoutedeni"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Synodontis shoutedeni/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Synodontis shoutedeni&quot; /><br/>Synodontis shoutedeni&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Synodontis shoutedeni</em></a>, <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Synodontis nigrita"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Synodontis nigrita/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Synodontis nigrita&quot; /><br/>Synodontis nigrita&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Synodontis nigrita</em></a>, <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Synodontis euptera"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Synodontis euptera/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Synodontis euptera&quot; /><br/>Synodontis euptera&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Synodontis euptera</em></a> are three I can quickly think of that have been done.<br />The amount of tank space needed may be one of the biggest problems in having natural spawns from riverine species.<br />Not everyone wants to dedicate up to three good size tanks to spawn one species.<br /><br />Birger<br /><br />[Mod edit: Fix &quot;spilleng mitsake&quot; in species name (and use Ferrari's style -a instead of -us) --Mats]]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Birger)</author>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Breeding Synodontis eupterus? :: Reply by Birger</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>[Mod edit: Fix &quot;spilleng mitsake&quot; in species name (and use Ferrari's style -a instead of -us) --Mats]</div></blockquote><br />Good catch, old habits and early morning LOL]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Birger)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[i got them today...<br /><br /><img src="http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s47/brackish_nut/RSCN5070.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s47/brackish_nut/RSCN5071.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s47/brackish_nut/RSCN5073.jpg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Phyllonemus typus locational information :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Looks nice.<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:47:57 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks Mats, They all seem to have found some hiding spots, some of which just dove under a rock into the sand and have their heads poked out the other side.. assuming that is natural behavior LOL.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[I have yet to see mine come out.. is this common when they are new in a tank? What could I do to prod them into the open? I will be reworking the tank (darker and more rock caves along with clay pot cave as seen used by others.<br /><br /> I am just worried because I NEVER see them.. even with lights out. I see sand kicked out from under rocks, but never see the fish.]]></description>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Phyllonemus typus locational information :: Reply by Birger</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[This is what they do...hide all day and cruise at night, even in the wild.<br /><br />They will eventually start to show themselves but sporadically. Try tempting them out with bloodworms at lights out or better yet give them something to chase after, you will hear the splashing going on...they are definitely shy at first, they will get used to your schedule.<br /><br />I did find that the more cover there was the better chance of seeing them as they know they can dash somewhere if need be.<br /><br />Birger]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Birger)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 23:14:56 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Birger wrote:</cite> or better yet give them something to chase after, you will hear the splashing going on...</div></blockquote><br /><br />What do you mean by this?]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 23:47:15 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Phyllonemus typus locational information :: Reply by Phyllonemus</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div> even a group of typus can cause tanganicae to starve to death...........................<br /></div></blockquote><br />I don't fully agree, I've kept the combination of Phyllonemus typus ( 2m/f, adult size) with 2 Mastacembelus tanganicae, and was handfeeding them 2 times a week.<br />Eels where looking well fed.<br />But when there are a lot of catfishes aroud I agree that the tanganicae will be out competed from food. <br /><br /><br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div><br />the only eel I have never seen going after (small) fish is the tanganyicae, but then, getting that species to eat ANYThing is a challenge all by itself<br />in my experience it is the hardest to keep Tanganyikan eel. <br /></div></blockquote><br />They are very fussy eaters indeed, mine where only eating earthworms and shrimps, only by <span style="font-weight: bold">handfeeding</span>.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:44:30 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Am I able to sex the Phyllo's at 2&quot; total length?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (nvcichlids)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:31:44 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Re: Phyllonemus typus locational information :: Reply by Birger</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>nvcichlids wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Birger wrote:</cite> or better yet give them something to chase after, you will hear the splashing going on...</div></blockquote><br /><br />What do you mean by this?</div></blockquote><br />What it means is some young c*****ds about 1/2 inch or so would definitely get them out and about at night and you will hear plenty of splashing as they chase after them for a late night snack, for a typus there is nothing better.<br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>Am I able to sex the Phyllo's at 2&quot; total length?</div></blockquote><br />I would say no...it can be difficult even with full grown adults with a practiced eye, best thing is let them decide from a large enough group, If someone says they can sex them at this size (2&quot;) they have x-ray vision <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br /><br />Birger]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Birger)</author>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 00:05:10 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>African Catfishes :: Chrysichthys with tumor :: Author Dave Rinaldo</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[This guy caught my eye as he made his dash to food and back to his cave.<br />He's still eating and the other three are fine.<br />Euthanize....?<div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia1 -->DSC_7802cs.jpg<!-- ia1 --></div><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia0 -->DSC_7798cs.jpg<!-- ia0 --></div>]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Dave Rinaldo)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>Euthanize....?</div></blockquote><br /><br />Seems to be totally integrated into some barbels...unfortunately, I think I would.<br /><br />Maybe would be helpful to someone studying such things.<br /><br />Birger]]></description>
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            <title>Asian Catfishes :: Re: Breeding Challenge-Moth Cats :: Reply by L number Banana</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[We seem to be stuck not being able to find any of these or possible losing interest to other cats? I'm still in there if I ever find them but I've been stuck out of town for long stretches renovating my Dad's old house - should be sold soon so I'll have more time to try to find some. Tank is ready but being used at a qt tank for the USD's right now.<br /><br />Where's everyone else's head at these days with this challenge? Anyone new willing to try? MatsP with your new digs? Nothing like a cute catfish to brighten up a new place - catfish decor <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_beardy.gif" alt=":beardy:" title="Beardy" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 05:00:29 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Asian Catfishes :: Re: Keeping P. virgulata :: Reply by Shovelnose</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[You think they will get enough to eat???]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 03:37:02 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Asian Catfishes :: Re: Keeping P. virgulata :: Reply by medaka</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Silurus hits the nail on the head here.<br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>They might be happier if you could give them some live food.</div></blockquote><br /><br />I have found that without live food in their diet, they tend to get hollow belly and  waste away. <br />The live food that I use is: cyclops and sifted daphnia, grindal worm and If they are housed in the same tank as other compatible bottom feeders I offer micro worm at least once a week. This means that 'if' at times they do not get enough food, the smaller fine microworms are just about too small for anything larger than themselves to easily feast upon.<br /><br />One live food to be careful with when feeding to small Pseudolaguvia is newly hatched brine shrimp.<br />Only feed a little; yes the catfish may be seen greadily feeding upon it, but it has a tendancy to constipate them if  given to them in quantity.<br />Which usually ends in their death.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks all, very informative. I will follow the same.]]></description>
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            <title>Asian Catfishes :: Re: Glass cat 'colour' :: Reply by snowball</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think it is just light refracting as the fish undulates, not something the fish can actively control. Under good lighting I have seen all the colours of the rainbow shimmering from them.<br /><br />White / opaque patches I once read (somewhere on this site) are possibly areas of nerve damage, which sounds plausible to me. I have had the odd glass cat with such a patch that never went away, though the fish did no seem affected in any other way.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 04:56:16 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Asian Catfishes :: Re: Goonch Growth Rates :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hopefully I won't deviate from topic too much.   My questions are actually about the all-important compatibility: at what stages of life or, maybe rather sizes, can these be combined with each other and/or other cats?  Rob, you hinted that your guys shared the quarters with others.  <br /><br />People write a lot of stuff about these fascinating, arguably the most intolerant and aggressive freshwater species, with many people (like on aquaticpredators.com) claiming yarellies far superceding say infamous wykiis.  Pair that with them huge, sharp teeth and the compatibility problem is perhaps pushed to an exreme.]]></description>
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            <title>Asian Catfishes :: Re: Goonch Growth Rates :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[some i-net pics]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Viktor Jarikov)</author>
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            <title>Asian Catfishes :: Re: Goonch Growth Rates :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <author>no_email@example.com (Viktor Jarikov)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 01:08:08 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Asian Catfishes :: Re: Goonch Growth Rates :: Reply by Redtailrob</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Victor / all.<br /><br />Well i can only speak as i find currentlty and also only the sizes that I've kept them.<br /><br />The two where originally housed together in a 40G (UK) aquarium along with various other bits and bobs such as Small Green terrors, Juvenile Knifefish.<br />However this fish where moved out as I wished to keep the Bagrus @ the lower temps as recommended for these fish 68-71 degrees and didnt what to subject the other fish to such low temperatures.<br /><br />The two showed NO aggresion towards any of the other inhabitants or to each other in their time together other than brief scraps if they tried to occupy the same cave etc.<br />A unique observation however was that even though both would eat readily only one showed any particular growth rate, the other would just refuse to grow or at least nothing like it's bigger tankmate.<br /><br />Since separtion the smaller one has blossomed &amp; is now approx 10&quot; and kept alone.<br />The larger one of the two 12-13&quot; approx is currently in a 315G along with some Pike c*****ds, Jaguar pair, and some Big cats and &quot; Currently&quot; shows no aggresion other than chasing fish away from its cave.<br />Time will tell.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Redtailrob)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 08:44:00 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Asian Catfishes :: Re: Goonch Growth Rates :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Nice.  Thanx for sharing, Rob.  And thanx for indicating that the gallons are UK - you must have remembered our prior discussions !  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup.gif" alt=":thumbsup:" title="A OK!" /> <br /><br />I already forgot and used US gallons in a few posts without specifying they are US since then  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /> <br /><br />I wonder if the growth rate discrepancy can be tentatively attributed to a phenomenon I read about koi, wherein the alpha koi releases growth inhibiting hormone into the pond water to slow down the growth of its koi pondmates and hold on to its supremacy.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Viktor Jarikov)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:34:58 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Asian Catfishes :: Re: Goonch Growth Rates :: Reply by Redtailrob</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi there.<br /><br />There could well be something in that assumption.<br />As i mentioned other than brief territorial scraps there was never any fighting that I witnessed. The two of them i would say used to eat about the same amount of food when offered as i wolud make sure that they both received similar quantities, the slightly smaller one of the two grew at a much slower pace than the other.<br /><br />Since being separated the smaller one has doubled in length &amp; width.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 10:39:23 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[My fiancee phoned me on her way home few days back and said she was passing a LFS and was there anything I wanted. I asked her to try and get me 10-12 corys either 2 5's or 3 4's I sat back and thought thats that sorted how wrong can she get it ?<br /><br />Apparently very  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" />  She got 10 corys all right (all they had) but from studying pics on my laptop while sitting beside the tank I'm 99.9% sure what I actually have is <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":sad:" title="Sad" /><br /><br />4 X False Julli Cory<br />3 X Pepper Cory<br />2 X Albino Cory<br />1 X Sterbai Cory<br /><br />I could cry  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" />  I've told her its ok ... yadda yadda but now she's at work I've set about figuring out the best way to fix this situation hence I'm looking for advice from you guys on whats the best thing to do. <br /><br />My immediate instinct was to return the sterbai and purchase more False, Pepper and Albino to take them to a minimum of 4 or 5 per type.( I can do this tonight as they have new batch in of corys)  Herein lies a potential snag The LFS i use doesnt actually sell sterbai cory so this one has somehow sneaked in a order. If I take it back its going to be resold on its own again (unless a sterbai owner happens to need/want 1 more) Plus im a big softy and I'd hate to take him back thinking he now hates me  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /> Although if its going to harm him being solo or temp incompatable I obviously would have to. <br /><br />The Tank Temp is 25 deg which Aqadvisor says is ok but I've read other places sterbai prefer nearer the 28 deg mark?<br /><br />I thought best plan was to ask on a dedicated cory forum rather than the more general fish forums I usually frequent.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Fishywishie)</author>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Callichthyidae - Corys et al) :: Re: Last Time I Let The Missus Go ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Always difficult to have other people buy fish [and other stuff, for that matter] for you unless you know EXACTLY what they are going to get. <br /><br />Sterbai's will be OK at 25'C - I keep mine a bit higher than that, but 25'C is not out of the acceptable range. One option, assuming you have enough tank-space is to get another 4-5 of these... It is one of my favourite corys. They shouldn't be hard to find - I know Jools knows good shops in the Edinburgh area, if you are stuck for shops that carry less common species... <br /><br />By &quot;False Julii&quot; I expect you mean <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Corydoras trilineatus"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Corydoras trilineatus/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Corydoras trilineatus&quot; /><br/>Corydoras trilineatus&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Corydoras trilineatus</em></a>. Which is a commonly available fish, but most often sold as C. julii - which is a very rare species. <br /><br />So, yes, your plan sounds OK, get some more of the ones you want to keep, get rid of the ones you don't want... <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (MatsP)</author>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Callichthyidae - Corys et al) :: Re: Last Time I Let The Missus Go ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" />  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup.gif" alt=":thumbsup:" title="A OK!" /> <br /><br />Lucky you, having a significant other who would think of calling you to pick up fish, heehee. She's a good choice for fiancee!<br /> I think it's brilliant and now all you have to do is take your least favourite corys and set them up in 'her' tank. Or take her shopping with you next time to buy the rest of the clans. If 'her' corys breed, she'll be hooked  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> <br /><br />Girly tip: if she wants to put something goofy looking in <span style="font-weight: bold">her</span> cory tank - just shut up and enjoy. It's how many of us got started, room decor/tank decor, all the same pleasure.<br /><br />Thoughtful lady, heehee. <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/angel.gif" alt=":an:" title="angel" />]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Letting the significant other buy fish is certainly a gamble. My girlfriend has done so on a few occasions, and through sheer luck always managed to get extremely interesting fish which I would never have bought myself. Like this one:<br /><br /><img src="http://i51.tinypic.com/dvq05e.jpg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Mike_Noren)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[To remove Cory eggs from the glass I began with a razor blade but later used a plastic credit card as it is wider and worked better, collected more eggs per swipe. I can see how corybreed's suggestion of using a clump of Java Moss would work just fine too.Great tip, I'm going to try that next time. Thanks!]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (catmandave)</author>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Callichthyidae - Corys et al) :: Sexing Callichthys? :: Author Carp37</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[3 years ago, I got 4 juvenile <span style="font-style: italic">Callichthys callichthys</span> from PC user Hoplo- these were between 3&quot;-3.75&quot; TL.  One very quickly developed &quot;ski-jump&quot;, thickened, orange-coloured pectoral spines, so I was pretty sure that one was male.  The remaining three had shorter, less thickened pectoral spines lacking the orange colour, and were noticeably fatter around the abdomen, so I was pretty sure they were female.  The male also had a noticeable orange cast to its head region around the gills and underside.<br /><br />After two year there hadn't been much change in the characteristics of these fish, but during the last year, the presumed &quot;female&quot; fish seem to have developed into males, or at least have become thinner, and have developed elongated, orange, thickened pectoral spines.  They haven't grown noticeably during this time- they're a little over 7&quot; TL/6&quot; SL.<br /><br />My question is, are some males late developers?  Or do females develop the thickened pectoral spines later in life?  I'm not aware that any callichthyids change sex, so I'm a little puzzled.  I don't have any recent pictures of them, but the pictures below are from a little under a year ago.<br /><br /><img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/carp37/Callichthysfemale215-09-09.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/carp37/Callichthysfemale415-09-09.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br />The pictures above are of a presumed female from last Autumn (so over two years old).  The picture below is of the &quot;male&quot;<br /><br /><img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/carp37/Callichthysmale315-09-09.jpg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Carp37)</author>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:50:43 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Callichthyidae - Corys et al) :: Re: Sexing Callichthys? :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Looks like your pictures show a female (upper two pictures) and a male (lower picture) to me. But I've not kept these for very long - it's one of my &quot;cursed&quot; fish... <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (MatsP)</author>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:01:22 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[The last picture doesnt look very 'male' like to me. <br />The pectoral spines on the males that I've seen and kept are much thicker and a deeper orange colour. <br /><br />Photo of my young male approx 1 year old.<br /><br /><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/peterUK/Fish/Cal-03.jpg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (PeterUK)</author>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 22:24:28 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks Mats, Peter- I <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">was</span></span> pretty sure the top fish was a female when the picture was taken (the fish being at an age of 2 years 4-6 months), but now they look as male as the fish in the bottom picture except for the orange colouration round the bottom of the fish, which Peter's male is also showing... <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 08:48:08 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Also noticed today while doing a tank cleanup, the males whole pectoral fin is almost as orange as the thick pectoral spine. <br />Looks very nice, especially when looked at from above on grey sand.  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup.gif" alt=":thumbsup:" title="A OK!" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (PeterUK)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 20:14:28 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Callichthyidae - Corys et al) :: Can Panda's help with removing ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[So, I have a 10gal planted tank with 6 Panda corys and 8 shrimp (5 amano and 3 RCS). Now, I've been having an every-so-slowly increasing pandemic of those hair-thin white worms that occasionally swim into the water column and even a planeria (flatter, stubbier, beige worm) here and there.<br /><br />  I've been told that small schooling fish such as dwarf rasboras will help keep these creatures in check, but I'm trying to keep my bioload down. So if I can, I'd like to avoid adding more fish. <br /><br /> Can/do panda corys's eat these creatures?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Cento)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 03:57:37 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[The <span style="font-style: italic">Corydoras</span> are unlikely to eat the planarians (or the worms).<br /><br />There's some advice on getting rid of these without the use of fish <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23824" class="postlink">here</a>.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Silurus)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 06:53:22 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Callichthyidae - Corys et al) :: Rapidly breathing Cories :: Author ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi, all,<br /><br />I have a mature (10 years since setup) 72 gallon, heavily-planted community tank. Occupants include angels, apistos, rummynose tetras, ancistrus, plus three corydoras species (Corydoras trilineatus and two species resembling Corydoras paleatus). Three of the cories were purchased at adult size nine years ago, and the rest of the cories were obtained as adults 3+ years ago. The ancistrus frequently breed in the tank. Soft water, pH 6.3, CO2 injection, and 50% water changes 1-2 times per month. <br /><br />Here's the question: When I observe the C. paleatus-type cories, about half seem to breathe very quickly, four or more times per second. The others breathe more slowly, approximately 2 times per second. I can't be certain, but it also seems that these faster-breathing cories spend less time hunting and more time resting than the others. These fish are otherwise healthy, showing up with the others during feeding time.<br /><br />The situation has been stable for a long time. I first noticed this a year or more ago, but my daughter noticed it and pointed it out to me again this weekend. I am wondering whether this could be caused by something like gill flukes? Should I leave well enough alone, or attempt treatment? <br /><br />Please note that any treatment must treat the entire tank plus occupants, as it is essentially impossible to catch any gravel dwellers among the plants and driftwood.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (davemill)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Do they smoke? <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_oldtoker.gif" alt=":foggie:" title="Back in the day..." />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (crkinney)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:43:43 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Gill flukes are a good possibility. The whole tank could be treated with Life Bearer. It won't harm anything and may help the problem.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Bwhiskered)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:50:47 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[If it was gill flukes then it is a safe bet that the whole tank would be infected and if this problem was noted a year ago then it would have been a major problem long before this.<br /><br />The problem could be a combination of temperature and or CO2 (you don't say what it is). C. paleatus prefer a cooler range than the so called tropical 24ºC - 26ºC,the would be happier at 21ºC - 22ºC. is the CO2 on 24/7 or is it turned off at night?<br /><br />There could be a number of other contributory factors, such as nitrite. Have the fish been subjected to high nitrites at any time, this can certainly have an effect on breathing.<br /><br />Ian]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Coryman)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:08:43 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[I have been trying to identify this cory with no success.  It has no black on or around the dorsal fin and no black mask.  Will the experts please help?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (rugar)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 01:59:09 GMT</pubDate>
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            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=30843&amp;p=199813#p199813</link>
            <description><![CDATA[I think that could be a <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Corydoras agassizii"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Corydoras agassizii/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Corydoras agassizii&quot; /><br/>Corydoras agassizii&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Corydoras agassizii</em></a>.Not 100% sure,as there is a few corys that looks very similar to yours.Lets wait and see what the others say.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (corybrummie2010)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Here is another picture of it.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (rugar)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think you possibly have C. delphax<br /><br /><img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/images/full/callichthyidae/corydoras/delphax/6.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br />Ian]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Coryman)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[HEllo!!<br /><br />when looking at your pic, my initial thought is..this fish look somehow similar to C13, which raise the question, is C13 a delphax with an odd patern??<br /><br />cheers<br />Yann]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Yann)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Over the last couple of years i have bought 4 of these little fellas and they are reaching maturity. I am having trouble sexing them or seeing any subtle differences. I thought maybe the male would have thicker pectoral fins or the female would be chunkier but they are all the same. Either I have all the same sex or they are just harder to sex than corys or hoplos? Has any one had any experience in breeding them? Thanks <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (ColumbianChocolate)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Have you read the Cat-e-log article  ? . . . <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Dianema urostriatum"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Dianema urostriatum/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Dianema urostriatum&quot; /><br/>Dianema urostriatum&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Dianema urostriatum</em></a><br /><br />[Mod edit: Use clog-tags... --Mats]]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (PeterUK)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Yes thanks I just wondered if anyone has any personal experiences with these lovely catfish or any luck with breeding them  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (ColumbianChocolate)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[I bought a group of 6 (or 8?), and some of those are definitely looking fatter than others. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (MatsP)</author>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Callichthyidae - Corys et al) :: Re: Breeding/Sexing Flag Tailed ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>ColumbianChocolate wrote:</cite>Yes thanks I just wondered if anyone has any personal experiences with these lovely catfish or any luck with breeding them  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /></div></blockquote><br /><br />I had the luck of spawning this fish back in the 1980's. The only way I could sex them was when the female filled with eggs. I had bought 4 adult and after a quarantine period they were moved to a 100 gallon community tank that was in the 80 degree temperature range. After several months I noticed the one female had gotten plump and the one male was courting. They were moved to a low 30 gallon that was in the mid 70's. They spawned twice both times I was away for the weekend. The first time I only found 5 fungused eggs under the floating yellow plastic lid. The next time a couple of weeks later there was 75 eggs stuck to the lid with a nest of very few bubbles. The lid was moved to a pail with an air stone and a few drops of methylene blue. All 75 were hatched and raised. I was never able to get another spawning. The high temperature followed by lower may have been the key. I hope this helps your attempts.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Bwhiskered)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:44:56 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks Bwhiskered that very helpful. I have 2 adults and 2 young adults so I will wait until they have all matured and I will start adjusting the temperature and water levels. Its quite hard to find healthy specimans in the fish shops, they are extremely skinny and looks like they do not travel well. Its nice to know that it is possible to breed them, they are such lovely looking catfish]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (ColumbianChocolate)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[I too had a pair spawn in 2001 but did not manage to raise any young from the fertile eggs. IME imports of this species are almost exclusively males and so distinguishing the sexes is impossible. I've been on the hunt for another pair and I think I found 1 female in a group about 2 months ago. IME the most reliable and most easily seen distinguishing feature is the first few rays of the pectoral fin. In males they are thicker and a slight orange color. Of course in younger specimans it is much more difficult to see. That didn't stop me from purchasing what I hope is a pair and trying them again.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (syno321)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[For me this is one of the great catfish unknowns, if someone can breed these guys AND document it then I suspect that article would become a classic.<br /><br />Jools]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Jools)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[I wrote an article on the spawning for the Hamilton &amp; District Aquarium Society bulletin at the time. This article should still exist somewhere. I will try and locate it.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Bwhiskered)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Guys, I need a bit of advice.  Just looking at all the guys in the tank today and noticed this grey dis-colouration on one of the Sterba Corys just in front of his dorsal fin.  When taking it out of the water it is un-noticable, however there is a large yellow/green lump that has grown behind his right eye.  Can i keep it in the tank? Is it contagious?  Any advice welcome.  Had a pair of them for a week and a half and the other one is fine.  There are about 8 other corys in the tank and they are fine.  Ammonia is zero, Nitrite is zero, and Nitrate is 40ppm.  i'm doing 20% water changes every week, and the last change was yesterday.  Temperature and PH is all ok.  I've attached photos.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (dicko1976)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Photos now showing lump behind right eye]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (dicko1976)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Another photo showing grey discolouration]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (dicko1976)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Moved to correct forum. I'm about to go from work now, will reply later if there is no useful reply. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (MatsP)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:43:11 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[A couple of questions.<br /><br />What is your feeding regime? and what temperature are you keeping them at.<br /><br />Ian]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Coryman)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Temperature set at 25 degrees.  Fed once a day.  Pellets or frozen bloodworm.  Its very strange but the lumps on the side of the head seem to be getting bigger<br /><br />Chris]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (dicko1976)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Are the pellets the high protein type? high protein foods can and often do cause fatty jelly like lumps, usually at the base of fin spines.<br /><br />C. sterbai would prefer warmer water, say 27ºC<br /><br />Ian]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Coryman)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks for the tips people.  My mate who shows fish thinks it might have a secondary infection as the left pectoral fin seeems to have been broken.  Couldn't really explain the lumps on the head though.  Its currently isolated and has had a bit of Melafix added to the water.  I'll be keeping an eye on the tank floor to see if any of the other fish are harassing any of the others<br /><br />Chris]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (dicko1976)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[What Iann (Coryman) doesn't know about corys can probably be written on the back of a stamp with a wide-tip pen. [Yes, that's an exaggeration, but he's one of the leading experts on Aquarium keeping of corys in England, if not the world]. <br /><br />So if Coryman says check the amount of protein in your feeding, then that's probably a good suggestion. Temperature suggestion seems good too. It is quite possible that your fish is suffering from multiple &quot;bad&quot; things - secondary infection is just what the name says, a second infection caused by immune-system overload by some other illness. This is similar to when someone has a cold, it can lead to pneumonia if the person is weak or &quot;stressed&quot; by other factors. This is, in humans, called a secondary infection. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[I have 3 mature Megalechis Thoracata (1 male, 2 females).Although fairly new to fishkeeping and not experienced with catfish I thought these would be a great addition to my community set up and they are fantastic characters. It didn't take the male long before he was building bubble nests that would disintegrate over time.He would rebuild the nest but was seemingly provoking little interest from the females..... until yesterday. I woke up yesterday to be greeted by at least 50 yellow coloured eggs in the nest. To say I went off to work happy is an understatement. However on return from work no eggs in sight but nest still intact....gutted!<br /><br />Is this commonplace for this species or am I just unlucky?]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Now, the next question is: Why would you want to? These are not &quot;valuable&quot; in the trade, so the only benefit of breeding them would be to say &quot;I've bred these&quot; - and then you have the problem of finding someone that will take the several hundred little ones that you will end up with. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[has anybody tried ordering from Jungle2u Amazonian Fish Export or amazon exotic imports? can anybody recommend a good peco supplier that ships globally]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Another L174 sexing thread. ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi!<br />Very nice L174 you've got there.<br />The last two fish look like female, but these fish can really fool us.<br />Fish 3 has a really short head.<br />The last fish (fish 4) has a pointy nose, so I'm not sure this one is female.<br />But I'm no expert, these are just the things I see.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Sanplec)</author>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: After success with Ancistrus, ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thank you. These are only the fish in my 2 largest tanks which I try to keep looking at least a little like my show tanks.<br />I have 20 longs, 29h and 40 gal breeders where I raise all my plecos and Apistogramma.<br />My dormant Killiefish bug is acting up so I acquired some pairs of Simpsonichthys boitonei, my favorite killy and S. zonatus,. both are small Brazilian annuals.<br />I also have some African annuals, Nothobranchius patrizii. Killies and Apistogramma are kind of my hobby part of fish keeping. Everything else is organized more for maximum production of fish. I am rebuilding my breeding colony of Corydoras hastatus and am going to try to also raise Yellow Shrimp with them. In the past I had Cherry Shrimp in my C. hastatus breeding colony. I have begun a new catfish project. I am raising a group of L10a Red Whiptails and they should be able to begin producing by next spring. They are disliked by some because they have mysterious origins but it hard not to like a pretty and unusual Loricaridid which only reaches about 4 inches and are very good to have in peaceful community tanks, planted or otherwise.<br />But since I took up the goal of breeding small, pretty pl*co species I have found most are able to coexist in a display tank without problems. I don't have any experience with the larger or rather, midsized pretty species like L200 and l128 except the one gold nugget I had. Others will tell you this and I will just urge you to consider keeping fewer species like only 2 in a display tank but keep them in groups of 5 or 7. That way you will eventually obtain breeders but until then, a tank with 2 groups of the small species is actually much more interesting than simply collecting many one of's. They all work out well in a planted or rock and wood community tanks with some Tetras and maybe a trio or two SA Dwarf c*****ds like one of the Apistogramma species and or a group of Lyre Tail Checker Board c*****d, Dicrossus filamentosus. These latter c*****ds tend to live more in the lower third to middle third levels. they do not use caves and spawn in the open, usually on a small leaf much like Angels and Discus while Apistogramma species are more bottom oriented cave spawners. This keeps them from much direct competition and there are many beautiful Apistogramma species to choose from. Just when it looked like I had lost my touch with Apistogramma and was down to one aging trio of A. trifasciata, I got a decent spawn and took no chances and hatched them out artificially. i have about 45-50 which are just beginning to be mostly sexable, They are probably my favorite species. They have style and looks of more expensive species but are actually one of the best beginners species. They are among the small and slender body types and the males develop a nice :head dress of extended first 3 dorsal fin rays and males can be a very shiny Blue, They only get about 2-1/3 inches for the males and the females turn bright yellow like Apisto females do when they are spawning and brooding. it is a remarkable color transformation.. A trio or 2 trios in a community tank will provide plenty of action and color near the bottom and often they manage to produces some fry that survive being exposed to predation by big mean cardinal tetras and the like.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: After success with Ancistrus, ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Larry- Any other recommendations for good beginner apistos that do well with plecos (what about A. cacatuoides )?  For a 75 gallon tank, how many Apisto species would be ok to mix, 2 or 3?  (The 75 gallon tank will have Pseudacanthicus cf. leopardus, Congo Tetras and maybe Columbian Tetras)  John Patterson is coming to speak at our club this weekend; hopefully there will be a good selection of apistos for sale.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Linus_Cello)</author>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:53:55 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: After success with Ancistrus, ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Linus,<br />The 3 best first Apistogramma species recommended to beginners are, A. borelli, A. cacatuoides and A. trifasciata.<br />Only one trio of each species are recommended. It is usually best to choose one species each from the various body plans. For example, A slender species like A.trifasciata and a more stocky shape like A. borelli. The more similar they are in shape the more likely the interspecific aggression is to occur. But of these 3 species, A. cacatuoides is a relatively speaking, giant Apistogramma species when full grown but in a 75 gal any two of these three could share a tank. A. borelli is the smallest of the three but it is a slow growing species, especially considering it's size. A. trifasciata is one of the fastest growing Apistogramma species but like A. borelli, it is among the smallest of the Apistogramma species.<br />A. borelli and A. trifasciata share an overlapping range in the Matto Grosso and head waters of the Rio Paraguay if you like to be more ecologically correct. A. cacatuiodes are from Peru.<br />All three species  are not demanding of special water chemistry. They are sensitive to nitrites but all Apistogramma are. So clean water is all you need with a pH between 6.0 to 8.0. and soft to moderately hard water is acceptable even for breeding.<br /><br />All other Apistogramma species are more demanding of water chemistry to various degrees.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Best medication for L-number catfish ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi<br /><br />I have a beautiful L-number catfish that I've had for three years, that's been getting gradually thinner over the past 2-3 months.  There's a slight hollowing of the belly appearing, and s/he is spending more time out in the open/on the glass.  I have seen these symptoms in L-number catfish before and it never turns out well - always results in death <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /> .  <br /><br />What should I try?  What medication (or other strategy) is most likely to turn this around for my poor beloved (and $$$) fishy?<br /><br />(NB. The other fish in the tank include young Bettas, a few Tetras, an Ancistrus with a full healthy belly, and several small Clown and Pakistani Loaches. Temp is 26-27C. Fairly soft water. Planted.)<br /><br />Thanks <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 07:15:07 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Best medication for L-number ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[It's most likely an internal parasite. I think the selection of internal parasite medication in Australia is limited, but I have had good luck with Flubendazole. Other compounds with good effect would be Praziquantel and Metronidazole. All of these are slightly different in what exact parasites they are effective against, but MOST parasites are killed by all of these. <br /><br />If you can't get any of these from the local fish shop, you may need to talk to a vet for a &quot;prescribtion&quot;. And be aware that you are trying to treat the tank, not a small fish, so you probably will need more than what treats a cat or a dog. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Growing nicely  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> <br /><br /><img src="http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff61/BirgerA/022-1.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff61/BirgerA/021-3.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff61/BirgerA/017-3.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff61/BirgerA/014-3.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff61/BirgerA/013-3.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff61/BirgerA/010-2.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff61/BirgerA/009-2.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff61/BirgerA/006-9.jpg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:33:04 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by JoePlec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[this fish is green tho.. they look brown, im stuck.. ill get a couple more today]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 06:49:11 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by JoePlec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[simon i wont get that info from maidenhead aquatics mate.. to quote &quot;erm brazil we import from, but it could have been one someone brought back cos its a bit too big&quot;]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 07:08:01 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I'd say from the photos we have so far, <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/L080"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/L080/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;L080&quot; /><br/>L080&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>L080</em></a>or <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/L009"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/L009/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;L009&quot; /><br/>L009&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>L009</em></a>are better matches than <span style="font-style: italic">P. vittata</span>. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:50:26 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by JoePlec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[some more.. all pics taken thru the glass are not good quality at all.. so i had to take him out again..]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (JoePlec)</author>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:25:50 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by JoePlec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[out of those suggestions id say L009 because the thick of the tail doesnt have them stripes that the first one does]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:28:08 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I would help quite a bit of you could get it to settle in [no getting it out of the water], and take a picture where it's in the tank. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by JoePlec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[right ok ive got my camera sorted so hopefully here comes decent pics haha]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:38:02 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by JoePlec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[TRY THESE.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (JoePlec)</author>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:39:58 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by JoePlec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[No ideas folks?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (JoePlec)</author>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:10:26 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I don't know - I'm still pretty sure it's one of the ones already suggested. But I don't think the fish has properly settled in - I'd suggest you wait for at least a week before trying to get some more photos. There are several peckoltia species that aren't very easy to identify if you don't know where it's from, and I think we are 100% sure that it is a Peckoltia. Which one, is still up for debate.<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:26:03 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by JoePlec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[so are we saying its adult then.. thats a plus]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by racoll</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Peckoltia sp&#40;l049&#41;"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Peckoltia sp&#40;l049&#41;/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Peckoltia sp&#40;l049&#41;&quot; /><br/>Peckoltia sp&#40;l049&#41;&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Peckoltia sp&#40;l049&#41;</em></a>, <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Peckoltia sp&#40;l211&#41;"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Peckoltia sp&#40;l211&#41;/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Peckoltia sp&#40;l211&#41;&quot; /><br/>Peckoltia sp&#40;l211&#41;&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Peckoltia sp&#40;l211&#41;</em></a> or <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Peckoltia sp&#40;l140&#41;"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Peckoltia sp&#40;l140&#41;/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Peckoltia sp&#40;l140&#41;&quot; /><br/>Peckoltia sp&#40;l140&#41;&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Peckoltia sp&#40;l140&#41;</em></a> are further another possibilities.<br /><br />To me, <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Peckoltia sp&#40;l211&#41;"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Peckoltia sp&#40;l211&#41;/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Peckoltia sp&#40;l211&#41;&quot; /><br/>Peckoltia sp&#40;l211&#41;&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Peckoltia sp&#40;l211&#41;</em></a> looks like a good match colour and shape wise.<br /><br />As you can see, these all look pretty similar though, so I'm afraid I can't really help any further, but there are several PC members who are pretty experienced with these fishes.<br /><br />You may want to attract their attention by possibly moving the thread to the &quot;<a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=13" class="postlink">What is my catfish?</a>&quot; forum and then renaming the thread something like &quot;What is my Peckoltia? [new pics attached]&quot;.<br /><br />And yes, definitely an adult. It won't grow much more. <br /><br /> <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by JoePlec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[im going to give it over the weekend. and then take some more pics.. whats the chances of sexing it? and then i can look to buy a partner... have i got any chance of breeding?]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by JoePlec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I Think its L265 because of the way the 2 middle stripes meet]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Breeding of these fish is mainly a case of patience and having a pair. May need a little bit of &quot;triggering&quot;, but nothing major. <br /><br />Again, for sexing, it's probably best if you wait a few weeks.<br /><br />As to identifying the fish, I still think it needs to settle in a lot more. The colours aren't as crisp as I'd like to see - which is generally a &quot;stress&quot; factor. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 08:53:37 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by catmar</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>JoePlec wrote:</cite>I Think its L265 because of the way the 2 middle stripes meet</div></blockquote><br /><br />L265 has no bars/stripes on dorsal/tail. It also has a pastel orange/peach edge to those fins. I don't think your fish is L265, I have a male and he looks quite different to your fish. I think you have a vittata, but as has already been mentioned these fish can be hard to id and are variable.<br /><br />I don't post here often but I hope this has helped a little. <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by DutchFry</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I too think it is L211! <br /><br />this one certainly is not L265. these have a more orange, rusty color on the dorsal and caudal and they also have a small black dot on every bone plate. your fish does not show any of these characteristics. Your fish is definitely in the group of Peckoltia species closely related to P. vittata, rather than to the group of P. braueri, where L265 should fit in.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L389 :: Reply by JoePlec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[thanks for the help folks.. i will leave the tank be for a while.. i am gonna chuck a prawn in tonight see what happens]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:09:42 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Pink L25? :: Reply by celticfish</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I have some variant that look like the fish you posted.<br />There is also a similar looking fish in Ingo Seidel's L-Numbers book.<br />In there he has captions that mentioned these variants are from the Rio Iriri.<br />I got my specimens in the same import as what I think are the Sao Felix variant.<br /><br />Another point I noticed is that these variants seem to only have the orange in the dorsal and caudal tail filament.<br />Oh, and they don't have orange patches on the body flanks too.<br />If someone has a specimen that shows what I mentioned above to be untrue please post pictures if you can.<br />Thanks!<br /><br />Here is a picture of the said variant.<br /><img src="http://www.aquaticquotient.com/gallery/files/3/4/7/3/l25-04-001.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><br />And here, a picture of what I believe is the Sao Felix variant.<br />If someone thinks it is not or thinks it is so, please let me know so I can learn!<br />My current opinion is that they don't have spottings when small can can develope spotting or horizontal &quot;wormlines&quot; between the spikey odontodes along the side-flank when larger.<br /><img src="http://www.aquaticquotient.com/gallery/files/3/4/7/3/sidebyside1.jpg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Pink L25? :: Reply by Andersp90</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Some very unique fish you got there!!!<br /><br />If they are sao felix or not i dont know, but they dont look like the fish daniel got from there: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon-exotic-import.de/Gallerie/L-Welse/Seiten/L%2025_Sao%20Felix.htm">http://www.amazon-exotic-import.de/Gall ... 0Felix.htm</a><!-- m -->]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Update! :: Reply by marlin</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Update - the babies are growing like crazy and are about 1 month old. Culled a couple for bent spines but haven't lost any others that I've noticed.<br />I noticed dad in the cave last weekend but never saw mom go in. I checked with a flashlight and found cave full of new wigglers...Holy Cow, is this normal, every 30 days? I'm thinking the &quot;Love Shack&quot;/ cave may need to come out for a bit after this, LOL!<br /><br />I do have a genetics question, both parens are LF but about 20% of the babies have significantly shorter fins than the others. Does this mean 1 parent has a SF parent? Or do some just take longer to grow?]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 00:51:02 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: pl*co newbie with unexpected fry ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[It is absolutely normal to have new broods every four-five weeks, yes. <br /><br />Taking the cave out may not work, as the male will likely find somewhere else... <br /><br />Separating the male from the female may be an option. Taking the female out is likely easier, as you don't have to wait for the male to finish guarding a brood. <br /><br />Can't say about the long/short fin ratio, as I've never kept long-fin Ancistrus. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: What are these? Dermal teeth? :: ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[After doing some close up pictures of my <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Panaque nigrolineatus"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Panaque nigrolineatus/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Panaque nigrolineatus&quot; /><br/>Panaque nigrolineatus&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Panaque nigrolineatus</em></a> I was wandering what these things are? The small tear drop things that are surrounding the eye and along the umbone(?) before the eye. I thought they might dermal teeth. And also, the bits that you can see below the eye, more obvious on the stripes.<br /><br /><img src="http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x55/matthewfaulkner/P1060036.jpg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: What are these? Dermal teeth? :: ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[What a beautiful picture!<br />Check out the wiki on Odontodes:<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odontode" class="postlink">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odontode</a>]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks, for the link and comment. I thought that these were odontodes (the long white spines on the operculum). Or are they both odontodes, just different kinds?<br /><br /><img src="http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x55/matthewfaulkner/P1060036_2.jpg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:19:45 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Yes, they are different types of odontodes - teethlike constructs. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: L260 question :: Author Boots n all</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[l am getting a little, hmmmm <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_ignore.gif" alt=":-X" title="Ignoring you!" />  with my L260 currently<br /><br />Standard 4 ft tank, 2 males 3 females, over head tickle filtration, 2400 ltr per hour temp is 27 and the Ph is 7, it is the top tank 1.6 meters of the ground with little traffic past it, they are fed twice a day, flake and frozen blood worm, sizes are 7cm to 9cm.<br /><br />for the last 8 weeks, l have a female living in the entery of one of the males caves, she fans constantly, she tries to get past the male, he blocks but does not push her all the way out.<br />If another L260 comes in or even near he will push the small female out and chase of the other, return to his cave and then let the little girl back in.<br />She is as round as a ball with a tube quite visual, yet no spawning.<br /><br />l have had the temp as low as 25 and as high as 31 and done 50% water changes when we have a rain storm......what am l doing wrong? if it was any other catfish it would have spwawned by now.<br />Not a real good quality pic but you get the idea <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L260 question :: Reply by jac</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Remarkable. Maybe try and lower the conductivity using osmose water. And check your nitrate level.<br /><br />Mine spawn at: Temp 30 degrees, nitrate 0 (due to nitrate filter) and conductivity of 270 microsiemens. I don't work with osmose water because our microsiemens is already low from the tap. They seem to spawn after doing a water change with cold water, bringing the temp down to 25 degrees.<br /><br />Saying this, I have learned from my L46 that sometimes partners just don't connect. Maybe try with the other male.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:55:04 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L260 question :: Reply by jbmm</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[never seen such a huge cave for L260s... <br /><br />might try to put in some smaller ones (just a little bit bigger than the fish..)<br />works for me...]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L260 question :: Reply by Boots n all</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[The cave gets quite tight further down, there are three caves and the one they have selected is the largest, there is a male in one of the smallest caves also, but she and the other female want this cave, this male]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L260 question :: Reply by apistomaster</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Boots, I never seem to understand what makes L260's tick.<br />I raised 6 young wild specimens which were about 8 cm/3&quot; when they arrived and 2 years later they began to spawn. I had about 20 fry accumulated but still living in the breeding tank then a new brood was released adding close to 20 more fry. They were discovered just before I was about scheduled for water change. It was winter and I made a rather large water change using RO water, cooler than normal, but it didn't bother them last time. Apparently that last brood were still too new and small and the changes too great. I lost all the last brood overnight but all the older fry and adults were fine,<br /><br />I moved them to a 20 L from the 29H; same surface area, 12 X30 inches to make room for a pair of Discus who needed the deeper water. I never noticed any subsequent spawn and I had evicted a thriving permanent breeding set up Corydoras hastatus colony numbering around 120 fish. I tried to get them to spawn but never saw any fry. This week I removed them and combined them with their now 2-1/2 to 2-3/4&quot; F1 progeny and began preparing to start a new C. hastatus colony.<br />Two days later I was amazed to see a very new solitary L260 fry on the front pane.<br />I know others who don't seem too have as much trouble establishing a good rapport with their L260 breeders and their L260 spawn regularly but they have been a difficult species for me. I do well with some other small plecos but L260 just don't make much sense to me. But like has been mentioned above, I do use an assortment of cave of varying cross sectional areas so they have more choice. I make my caves out of stone finish ceramic floor tiles and my first cut is in the center-line so all my caves are 5-1/2 inches deep.<br />Since taking up plecos one thing above all that gets me through is patience of the Zen kind or this fish will drive you crazy.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L260 question :: Reply by Boots n all</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[l need some Zen also, l breed peppermints and L201's like nothing but these guys look so close but its just not happening, if was the L201 l would be certain to see eggs in the cave the same day or day after a female took up this position...l am missing something, but what is it, maybe they have spawned and l just cant see it, but l am sure he would have kicked her completely out by now if that were the case]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 02:32:54 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L260 question :: Reply by apistomaster</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Do you keep them in fairly soft water and then try partial water changes using RO replacement water?<br />That is the only thing that I could remotely associate with their spawns. All cues have been too vague for my perception. I never knew mine had spawned until I would find their newly released fry.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L260 question :: Reply by jac</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Can't help you futher I think. <br />For me this species is no problem at the moment.... Up till now they seem to spawn very 10-14 days, still having the fry with the yolksack in the cave. They spawn over night so the next day I will have fry of 10-14 days old and a new batch of eggs. <br />My problem starts when the fry leave the cave. They seem to starve easily. Since I started feeding them powdered tablets with the seringe it's been better but still find the odd fry completly emaciated.....<br /><br />I do give my L260 (and L46) a lot of black musquito larvea. They say it makes fish go into a better &quot;sex drive&quot;. For me it works well so maybe try this with your fish  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /> <br /><br />Good luck!]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 06:50:45 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L260 question :: Reply by Barbie</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<span style="color: purple">IME, the &quot;secret&quot; with L260 has been large TDS fluctuations for stimulation.  Cool water didn't do a thing unless it was very low TDS.  Even a couple big cool RO or rain water changes can make all of the difference in the world.<br /><br />I've done 50% RO changes, dropping the tank temperature as much as 10 degrees, only to discover fry in the tank with no casualties.  That is strictly my experience though.  I did manage to crash the tank my original breeders lived in to kill them in spite of being so hardy <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" />.  Thank goodness the new group has become such a great producing colony!<br /><br />Barbie</span>]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 07:52:18 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: L260 question :: Reply by apistomaster</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[That is what has worked for me but the one water change using 2/3 refill of RO was when the water was too cold and the sudden drop was closer to 20*F which was more than newly released fry could cope with.<br />I just combined my old wilds with 15 2-3/4' F1 in a larger tank. While working on the finishing touches of the 20 Long the wilds were in I found a single very recently independent fry.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:34:39 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Change of behavior of L15's :: Author ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I have had a group of 6 , what I believe are L15's for a couple of years now.<br />They have always had a fondness for cucumber and courgette and it is always totally devoured by the following morning.They show little interest in prawns or mussells etc.<br />They have always spent the days in caves .<br />Now everything has changed. The cucumber has been going uneaten for about a week now.<br />They are eating bloodworm as they always have , when they can beat the cory's to it.<br />They have all but one totally shunned the caves and are under or on the top of bogwood and the caves.<br />They seem totally fine apart from the change of behavior.<br />Water is fine and no different than before. Any ideas??]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:34:55 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Hybrides :: Reply by Shane</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>On the other hand, we know that Hypancistrus hybrids are definitely fertile.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Firstly I agree with Mats' comments above.  It is important to remember that &quot;species&quot; is a man-made concept and the definition of what a &quot;species&quot; is has changed over time as we learn more about how organisms are related.  Also, not everyone agrees as to what exactly defines a species.<br /><br />This may sound like a technicality, but a hybrid, when speaking about taxonomy, refers to offspring resulting from the interbreeding between two animals of different taxa.  So in Mats' example above <span style="font-style: italic">Equus caballus</span> (horse) X <span style="font-style: italic">Equus asinus</span> (donkey) is a hybrid.  However spawning L XXX with L XXX is not a hybrid as L Numbers are NOT scientific taxa (despite what many aquarists have come to think).  L Numbers are assigned by ornamental fish importers and are not the result of taxonomic study.<br /><br />If two two different L Numbers spawn and produce offspring, it is just as likely (or more) that the spawning reflects the unscientific nature of L Number assignments rather than a case of hybridization between two taxa.<br /><br />-Shane]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Hybrides :: Reply by jac</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks very much for the reply's Mats and Shane.<br /><br />It makes it clear anough for me for the moment. <br /><br />Just for the biological side of things: could you than conclude that when the offspring of a crossbreed (take hypancistrus for instance) is infertile that would mean that the adults would be 2 different species or taxa as you say?<br />Genetics is really interesting  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> <br /><br />I have an other question for you if you don't mind. This was told to me but don't really understand how it works.<br />If breeding Lnumbers it isn't very good to breed the offspring with the parents again. But breeding brothers and sisters (if you start a breeding group out of a group of the same offspring) isn't so bad. I know that it is best to start your breeding group up with different genes.<br />But I just wanted to know how it works as I want to start a breeding group of my own offspring or F1's.<br /><br />Jacqueline]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 06:04:01 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Hybrides :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Shane wrote:</cite><blockquote class="uncited"><div>On the other hand, we know that Hypancistrus hybrids are definitely fertile.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Firstly I agree with Mats' comments above.  It is important to remember that &quot;species&quot; is a man-made concept and the definition of what a &quot;species&quot; is has changed over time as we learn more about how organisms are related.  Also, not everyone agrees as to what exactly defines a species.<br /><br />This may sound like a technicality, but a hybrid, when speaking about taxonomy, refers to offspring resulting from the interbreeding between two animals of different taxa.  So in Mats' example above <span style="font-style: italic">Equus caballus</span> (horse) X <span style="font-style: italic">Equus asinus</span> (donkey) is a hybrid.  However spawning L XXX with L XXX is not a hybrid as L Numbers are NOT scientific taxa (despite what many aquarists have come to think).  L Numbers are assigned by ornamental fish importers and are not the result of taxonomic study.<br /><br />If two two different L Numbers spawn and produce offspring, it is just as likely (or more) that the spawning reflects the unscientific nature of L Number assignments rather than a case of hybridization between two taxa.<br /><br />-Shane</div></blockquote><br /><br />Ok, so technically, <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Hypancistrus sp&#40;L201&#41;"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Hypancistrus sp&#40;L201&#41;/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Hypancistrus sp&#40;L201&#41;&quot; /><br/>Hypancistrus sp&#40;L201&#41;&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Hypancistrus sp&#40;L201&#41;</em></a> x <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Hypancistrus sp&#40;L260&#41;"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Hypancistrus sp&#40;L260&#41;/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Hypancistrus sp&#40;L260&#41;&quot; /><br/>Hypancistrus sp&#40;L260&#41;&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Hypancistrus sp&#40;L260&#41;</em></a> is not a hybrid. Whilst scientists may not have got round to defining them as separate species, they are clearly not [by reasonable defintion of species, as not only do they have different body patterns, they also have fairly different body shape] the same species. Yet, if that particular combination hasn't been bred, I'm 99% sure there were pictures of similar &quot;hybrids&quot; at the L-Welse meeting in Germany last year. <br /><br />What I'm trying to say is that whilst technically it may not (currently) be hybrids produced from various L-numbered species, at least in some cases, that is purely because scientists have yet to define these as individual species. <br /><br />I am not, by the way, saying that every L-number represents different speceis. There are certtainly several examples of L-numbers that are definitely or most likely the same species from different locations. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 06:48:28 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Hybrides :: Reply by racoll</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>jac wrote:</cite>I find it quite disappointing to read that Hypancistrus could already have cross bred in the wild to make the species we have called L173, L260, L399 and L400 and others... </div></blockquote><br /><br />This is complete nonsense! Speciation via hybridisation has been demonstrated, but to assume that this is the case without any evidence whatsoever (other than &quot;the fishes look quite similar&quot;) is entirely ludicrous.<br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>jac wrote:</cite>could you than conclude that when the offspring of a crossbreed (take hypancistrus for instance) is infertile that would mean that the adults would be 2 different species</div></blockquote><br /><br />Yes, it is strong evidence to support that. However the opposite is not true, and two different species are perfectly able to have fertile hybrid offspring. <br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>Shane wrote:</cite>Also, not everyone agrees as to what exactly defines a species.</div></blockquote><br /><br />I think an important paradigm shift occurred after biologists gave up trying to define a species, as there are so many exceptions to each rule. Now, we recognise species as independently evolving units, and can be defined using the most appropriate data to resolve that question.<br /><br />P.S. I agree with Mats on the L number thing.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Hybrides :: Reply by Bas Pels</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>racoll wrote:</cite>Now, we recognise species as independently evolving units, and can be defined using the most appropriate data to resolve that question.<br /></div></blockquote><br /><br />for quite some time now, I'm starting to pay less and less attention to the species - in favour of the genus and location<br /><br />So I don't care so much about the species my Ancistrus which I found in the arroyo Aquas Blancas in Uruguay - it's an Ancistrus (which tells me a lot about how to take care of them - feeding, behaviour) from the arroyo Aquas Blancas - which tells me the rest of how to take care of them (waterflow, water values, temperature)<br /><br />Therefore, whether this fish is the same species as the Ancistrus from the arroyo Tropa Vieja (60 km apart) or not - I keep them separated, as they would not mingle in nature<br /><br />Do you agree, Racoll that the cited piece would ultimately define 'species' as 'population'?]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 07:57:11 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Hybrides :: Reply by racoll</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>So I don't care so much about the species my Ancistrus which I found in the arroyo Aquas Blancas in Uruguay - it's an Ancistrus (which tells me a lot about how to take care of them - feeding, behaviour) from the arroyo Aquas Blancas - which tells me the rest of how to take care of them (waterflow, water values, temperature)<br /><br />Therefore, whether this fish is the same species as the Ancistrus from the arroyo Tropa Vieja (60 km apart) or not - I keep them separated, as they would not mingle in nature</div></blockquote><br /><br />Seems like a sensible approach with all these undescribed species. <br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>Do you agree, Racoll that the cited piece would ultimately define 'species' as 'population'?</div></blockquote><br /><br />Difficult question, as there are many examples of single species with huge ranges, comprising hundreds of &quot;populations&quot;, yet all individuals are morphologically and genetically conservative.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:10:18 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Hybrides :: Reply by Mike_Noren</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>racoll wrote:</cite>However the opposite is not true, and two different species are perfectly able to have fertile hybrid offspring.</div></blockquote><br />Ability to interbreed is a plesiomorphy, a primitive inherited trait, and as such is not informative. Inability to interbreed is an autapomorphy, a derived trait, and as such is informative. In other words: if two groups of animals can interbreed and have fertile offspring, that means nothing; if they can not interbreed or their offspring has reduced fitness, then they are different species.<br /><br />Inability to interbreed is not normally selected for, but merely an accidental by-product of cumulative changes. However, when hybrids have significantly reduced fitness, there may be an evolutionary pressure to limit interbreeding - there are a handful of such cases known.<br /><br />Speciation can not occur while there is significant gene-flow between two groups of organisms. The gene-flow has to be cut off or at the very least fall below the threshhold at which the populations genetics are homogenized, at which point there has been speciation. The species can however not be detected until they've accumulated any autapomorphies.<br /><br />As is probably obvious from these examples speciation can be reversible if gene flow is cut off but later resumed.<br /><br />There is no qualitative difference between population and species; they grade into each other with diminishing level of interbreeding.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:44:58 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Hybrides :: Reply by Bas Pels</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>racoll wrote:</cite><blockquote class="uncited"><div>Do you agree, Racoll that the cited piece would ultimately define 'species' as 'population'?</div></blockquote><br /><br />Difficult question, as there are many examples of single species with huge ranges, comprising hundreds of &quot;populations&quot;, yet all individuals are morphologically and genetically conservative.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Thank you. Conservatism is an aspect I did not take into account. And yes, a fish (or any other creature) should be sufficiently different in order to become another species. That's obvious]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Bas Pels)</author>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Hybrides :: Reply by Shane</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>So I don't care so much about the species my Ancistrus which I found in the arroyo Aquas Blancas in Uruguay - it's an Ancistrus (which tells me a lot about how to take care of them - feeding, behaviour) from the arroyo Aquas Blancas - which tells me the rest of how to take care of them (waterflow, water values, temperature)</div></blockquote><br /><br />I long ago came to this same conclusion myself.  9 times out of 10 genus tells you all you need to know.  Combine that with some basic habitat info and, for an aquarist, it is a lot more meaningful data than a binominal name.<br /><br />I am hardly suggesting anyone throw all their L numbers together to breed freely since they are not described spp and thus can't produce &quot;technical&quot; hybrids.  I just wanted to point out the actual definition, from a taxonomic standpoint, of a hybrid.  Also, since L Number designations have no basis in science it is not applicable to come to scientific conclusions based on their behavior.<br /><br />-Shane]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Hybrides :: Reply by jbmm</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>MatsP wrote:</cite>I'm 99% sure there were pictures of similar &quot;hybrids&quot; at the L-Welse meeting in Germany last year. <br /></div></blockquote><br />make it 100%, that was an interesting topic in Hannover!<br />You might be able to find some sheet photo's on the website <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br /><br />Anyone with interest should visit the next event! <br />Mats? you gonna be there?  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup.gif" alt=":thumbsup:" title="A OK!" /> <br /><br />grtz <br />Jeroen]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Hybrides :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I was planning to go last year, but a new washing machine needed as well as a bit of difficulty finding good transport - direct flights to hannover were all at odd hours or VERY expensive when I looked. And other flights were affordable, but a long way away... <br /><br />But with some better planning, yes, I should be able to do that. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Hybrides :: Reply by Bijn</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Shane wrote:</cite><blockquote class="uncited"><div>So I don't care so much about the species my Ancistrus which I found in the arroyo Aquas Blancas in Uruguay - it's an Ancistrus (which tells me a lot about how to take care of them - feeding, behaviour) from the arroyo Aquas Blancas - which tells me the rest of how to take care of them (waterflow, water values, temperature)</div></blockquote><br /><br />I long ago came to this same conclusion myself.  9 times out of 10 genus tells you all you need to know.  Combine that with some basic habitat info and, for an aquarist, it is a lot more meaningful data than a binominal name.<br /></div></blockquote><br /><br />and this is why I hate it when people use numbers instead of names (the numbers are for fishes without a name!). A fish that has a name shouldn't be called by it's number. I even try to mention the genus if it's an undiscribed species because that gives a lot off information. I have 3 Hypostomus sp. L117 not 3 L117.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Hybrides :: Reply by racoll</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Mike Noren wrote:</cite>Ability to interbreed is a plesiomorphy, a primitive inherited trait, and as such is not informative. Inability to interbreed is an autapomorphy, a derived trait, and as such is informative. In other words: if two groups of animals can interbreed and have fertile offspring, that means nothing; if they can not interbreed or their offspring has reduced fitness, then they are different species.<br /><br />Inability to interbreed is not normally selected for, but merely an accidental by-product of cumulative changes. However, when hybrids have significantly reduced fitness, there may be an evolutionary pressure to limit interbreeding - there are a handful of such cases known.<br /><br />Speciation can not occur while there is significant gene-flow between two groups of organisms. The gene-flow has to be cut off or at the very least fall below the threshhold at which the populations genetics are homogenized, at which point there has been speciation. The species can however not be detected until they've accumulated any autapomorphies.<br /><br />As is probably obvious from these examples speciation can be reversible if gene flow is cut off but later resumed.<br /><br />There is no qualitative difference between population and species; they grade into each other with diminishing level of interbreeding.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Really nicely explained here Mike.  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup.gif" alt=":thumbsup:" title="A OK!" />]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Update 07-Sep-2010 :: Reply by James0816</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Activity levels are on the rise again.  That's great news.  Did water changes in all the breeders.  For some reason, I just can't seem to come across a happy medium in the Cocama tank.  Not sure what it is but I still can't get the asthetics where I want them in this tank.  Still making progress though albeit very slowly.  Think it is finally coming together.<br /><br />Any of you Oto lovers out here, just so you know, the females run the show.  My goodness it was just so fun to watch.  I removed everything floating in this tank, did a little rescaping as well as the 20% wc.  Started working on another tank and looked over there.  They were all doing their customary laps around the tank.  So I took a break and pulled up a seat not too far from them so I could observe better.  There are three nice plump females in here and they were driving the boys crazy!  One would have about 4-5 followers with here.  Another female would swim by doing her &quot;bump and run&quot; thing and all the guys would then give chase.  This went on for quite some time.  <br /><br />Back in the main breeder, mom and pop Oto are finally hangin out together again.  They have been taking a break for a spell.  We'll see where this goes.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Please help with sexing L174 + ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks everyone!<br />Aleger's picture of his male does reminds me of my pl*co no 6.<br />I think I can only get to know for sure when they get just as spiney as Aleger's males.<br /><br />This afternoon I was a bit bored and made a picture with every head of my L174 for comparisation. I added the number of the pl*co as in my topic and I added a stripe on the nostrils, to compare noselength. Noselength look the same, but do you notice the noseshapes? pl*co no 2, 4 and 6 seem to have the same shape of the nose. The other pl*co's seem to have a bit pointier nose. What do you guys think about this picture?<br /><br /><img src="http://94.100.114.80/1087500001-1087550000/1087530001-1087530100/1087530061_6_1Oo1.jpeg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Please help with sexing L174 + ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<span style="color: purple">It's difficult to say without something to compare for size, but fish #4 has much thicker pectoral rays all the way to the tip than #6.  If these fish were mine, I would warm the tank up for a few weeks, feed heavily, and then do some large volume RO water changes for a few days, after redecorating and swapping in and out some caves.  I don't know that all Hypancistrus are able to read the books about the way they should look to be which sex.   I've had both L46 and L260 that pictures showed MUST be male, yet they laid eggs <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" />.  I do think you have both sexes in this group, after looking at the pictures.<br /><br />Barbie</span>]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi all, i have a problem with my bristlenose, they have stopped breeding and im not sure why.<br /><br />They had a castle ornament and a boat ornament at the start, i only had them for a week and the dominant male took residence in the Castle, the females were hanging around the castle, i did a 15% water change and a couple days later i noticed a stray single egg, which i came to the conclusion that they have spawned.<br /><br />About 8 days later the fry were swimming around, they lived for about 15days then started dying off 1 by 1.<br /><br />I was dropping algae pellets and putting zucchini in the tank, tank is 4ft in size by the way.<br /><br />After most of the fry died, i decided to remove the cave and boat ornaments, and put 4 bristlenose breeding logs in the tank, along with 30cm piece of driftwood with anubias growing on it. Since then ive noticed that the 3 8cm males have hung around the entrance of the caves but they dont guard the caves how the male guarded the castle, it almost seems that they abandon them whenever i walk towards the tank. The caves entrance are facing the front of the tank.<br /><br />The 3 or 4 females that are in there are never hanging around the breeding logs, theyre always hiding on the driftwood.<br /><br />What can i do to get the males to take residence in a cave? I was thinking move the breeding logs and face them away from the front of the tank?<br /><br />Also the females are never anywhere besides the driftwood, or on the zucchini.<br /><br />Ive tried 20% cold water changes to try to stimulate them again, but no luck.<br /><br />Also any tips on keeping the fry alive? They died around 1cm in size.<br /><br />Thanks.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: Breeding bristlenose problem :: ...</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=30855&amp;p=199970#p199970</link>
            <description><![CDATA[Removing hideous toy decorations is a good start. Most rivers don't have miniature sunken cities in them... <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /> <br /><br />Dying fry can be many things, and it's hard to know what is going on in your particular case. Common causes are &quot;bare-bottom tank&quot;, &quot;overfeeding&quot; and &quot;underfeeding&quot;, along with &quot;wrong food&quot;. <br /><br />Bare bottom tanks are great for upper and mid-level fish (e.g. discus, angelfish, c*****ds, tetras, etc), but doesn't work for bottom-dwelling pl*co fry [and probably not great for other bottom-dwellers] - look back a week or two, and there is a thread about dying fry, and there is probably another one a couple of weeks or a month earlier. Keep going back, and you'll find more suggestions about &quot;don't keep pl*co fry in bare-bottom tanks&quot;. <br /><br />Overfeeding is pretty self-explanatory: water quality goes down the pan if you feed too much. Testing for nitrogenous waste (nitrate, ammonia, nitrite) will show if this is a problem. Sudden rise in any of these levels will indicate that there isn't enough water changing being made - or seeing old food laying about... <br /><br />Underfeeding is also pretty much what it says. Doesn't sound like your problem, and it's likely that it takes more than a couple of days from free-swimming fry to reach a starvation that is fatal.<br /><br />Wrong food is if you feed too much protein in relation to fibre content in the food. Unlikely in your case, as it sound like you were feeding courgette/zucchini [same plant, different names in different places], which is rich in fibre. <br /><br />I wouldn't worry about where in the tank the females are. Females tend to &quot;hang&quot; where they feel comfortable - they aren't particularly picky about where they live, unless they are looking for a mate, which draws them to the male's cave. They should lay eggs about every 4-5 weeks during breeding season [which can last most of the year if they are given good food and water quality]. <br /><br />Having multiple males is probably not great - they can fight more than breed if you have more than a single male in a tank. It's by no means guaranteed to prevent breeding - I've seen them breed in multi-male tanks, but I have also seen the result of males spending too much time defending the cave to be able to &quot;vow&quot; the females. One male and 1-3 females works best. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi, and thanks for your quick reply.<br />They have been at the entrance of breeding logs, but never picked one, but the castle ornament was where a specific male always stayed.<br /><br />Is there a chance that the reason why they havent chosen a cave is that the tank is too bare? I could move the breeding logs to face them away from the tanks front?<br /><br />Is there any way to &quot;get&quot; the males to take up residence in the logs? lately there all neutral, and hanging on driftwood together.<br /><br />Also il look into getting a substrate. whats recommended? Thanks.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Substrate would be sand or fine gravel. Depends on what you like, either will do fine. <br /><br />I doubt that the direction of the opening of the cave matters much. What may make a difference is the size of the cave (it should be a &quot;tight fit&quot;, but not so small that the male and female don't fit in at the same time), and for sure, if the caves are new, they may not feel comfortable with them for a while.<br /><br />If you have several caves, why not place them in different places, with the opening in different ways. That way, the fish can choose what it likes. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[The logs are about 15cm in length and the opening is roughly4cm wide and rounded, the breeding logs are like this but longer, and same diameter all the way till the end: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.oztion.com.au/vshops/previewpic.aspx?itemid=9220729&amp;tid=&amp;picnum=1&amp;#pic">http://www.oztion.com.au/vshops/preview ... num=1&amp;#pic</a><!-- m --><br /><br /><br />There are 4 caves, and 3 males.<br /><br />Any ideas?<br /><br />Also next time they breed should i remove fry? or keep with parents?<br /><br />Thanks]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Well, they do look a little bit tall for my [fishes] taste, but I'm sure they are fine. I use saucers for plant pots that I cut a piece of the side off from, so that it makes an entrance. My 4&quot;/10cm male makes it under a saucer that is about 5/8&quot;/1.5cm high. <br /><br />As to separating the parents and the fry - differences in opinion exists here, but I have never removed fry from parents unless there is a direct threat to the fry (e.g. there is a predatory fish). <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[<span style="color: purple">At the top of this forum there is a sticky with questions regarding water quality and tank issues that would provide us with a lot more information to base our replies from <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" />.  The questions might not seem like they apply to you, but very often we find that the answer is in there, along with the parts that seemed the most pertinent.  Thanks!<br /><br />Barbie</span>]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[maybe they, the parents, know something isnt right in your tank is why they stopped breeding, the babies died after all. sorry about that by the way. <br /><br />mine liked smaller caves also.  and lots of waters changes and big filtration and mostly plenty of veg and fruit. and NLS Growth, and some sinking wafers. and i fed protein about once or twice a week , shrimp, bloodworms, tubifex. the babies can devour a piece of romaine lettuce in now time till its just holy shreds of nothing edible.  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /> <br /><br />be careful what you wish for tho,  oce they start they are like little baby making machines. <br /><br />i m curious to the answers of Barbies questions also.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi all, these breeding logs are very popular, they are using them to an extent, but as they were the castle ornament, ill fill in the questions about water parameters soon.<br /><br />My guess is that they fry didnt get much food, i usually dump 3 forks with zucchini piece attatched to it, about 10cm, and about 2cm thick. By morning its all gone, also i throw in 5 or so algae pellets.<br /><br />Ive fed them pumpkin on occasion too.<br /><br />I will test my water and get back to you, but there should be an explanation why they used that ugly castle instead of these nice logs haha!]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[mine liked these caves for breeding<br /><br /><img src="http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/andywoolloo/betta/IMG_0444.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/andywoolloo/betta/IMG_0414.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br />i got them from zcliff who used to be at plecofanatics which is gone.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Good morning everyone,<br />I have a couple of L204 and a third element is to arrive soon, the ones I have I am sure they are a male (younger) and a female (older), but my question is not about sexing is about the tank.<br />I have a 52 Us gallons Tank(I think...its 200 Liters) 3 pumps of 900Lph and a Fluval 405 that is 225gph to move water around I think these are more then enough no?<br />The bottom is filled whit 1/2 cm of not abrasive dark sand and the rest is all wood (loads of wood).<br /><br />Now my problems are....<br />I was warned that L204 are a beautiful but filthy animal because of the amount of wood they eat, I do clean the tank every week but I feel that is not enough, there is always some specks in the water column, in the morning I have a mountain of dirt in the same spot every single day (the water takes it there), in every weekly cleaning I have the feeling that I should take all the wood out so that i could properly clean it, but that way i would disturb way to much my little pretties.<br />how can I improve my cleaning's?<br /><br />All Deco is Wood, loads of wood, walls of wood piled up in the laterals and back of the tank leaving space in the front so that the fish could swim, I am not sure if it is to much wood in there since I never seen a L204 only tank.<br />a advice in the wood quantity/disposition/whatever would be really helpful since I am kinda lost here.<br /><br />I am using a mix of clay caves and coconuts caves, I have seen somewhere that they like more bamboo/coconuts/woody caves, so I am using the wood in the tank to stuck the coconuts to the side walls where if needed I can take the black paper that I put there and see if I had any eggs.<br />I am not sure if I am doing it right, should the coconuts be on the floor or I can continue to put them on the sides?<br />the more caves I put the better it is no?<br /><br />In the tank I also have sterbai corys and emeral corys (brochis) and one lazy platydoras armatulus and lots of cherry shrimp.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 07:52:41 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[I'm sure around 3700 lph turnover in a 200 liter tank is more than enough to keep these fish happy - it's about 18 times turnover. I have tanks that I've had (theoretically) 20x turnover in, but that's certainly enough for any species that likes flowing water - I'm sure they can technically tolerate more. <br /><br />As to &quot;keeping the tank clean&quot;, I think with these fish, that's just impossible... One could perhaps construct some sort of mechanism that collects the dirt in some way [a coarse filter of some sort, or perhaps some sort of &quot;sand-trap&quot; [1] type filter - but it would require frequent cleaning to avoid anaerobic activity], but it's not possible to make the fish not produce sawdust, and that will simply make the tank messy. <br /><br />[1] A sand trap is something used for the road-drains and such, to catch sediments [sand mainly, hence the name]. To make a sand-trap, you would use a fairly deep container, such as a bucket, and let the sediment ridden water run into the bucket, and use an overflow outlet at a quite high level to get the water back out again. The sediment will settle at the bottom of the bucket. You could make one of these if you have a pump to pump water out of the tank into a bucket above the tank. It MAY work to use an external filter with no (or nearly no) media in it, but chances are that it gets a bit too turbulent. <br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks Mats,<br />shod I keep the tank full of wood?<br />is there any problem if I get a solution to clear the water of the tea colour aspect?<br /><br />does anyone have some L204 or similar catfish Tank pics?]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:29:57 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[I have a picture in &quot;My Aquaria&quot; of my P. maccus tank, which has quite a bit of wood in it. <br /><br />The &quot;tea-colour&quot; would go away with carbon filtration - but I wouldn't worry about it - it makes the tank look natural. <br /><br />Less wood wouldn't make it &quot;better&quot; for the fish, so I don't see the point of that. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hello<br /><br />As Mat allready wrote, it's almost impossible to have a clean tank.<br />I have 8 adults of this beautiful pleaco myself in a 120 x 60 x 30 tank.<br />The amount of wood doesn't matter. As long as you have wood in the tank, which is needed, you have the dirt  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> <br /><br />I use a stream pump (5000 L/h) with a filter pad arround. And because this pump is much faster than my main filter, most dirt goes in there. So I clean the filter pad at least once a week and remove most dirt like that!<br /><br />I can try to make a good picture this evening or tomorrow.<br /><br />Cheers Simon]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[I would leave the wood in there.  That will make them feel the most at home.<br />As Mats said it is nearly impossible to keep the tank free of debris as they eat all the time.<br /><br />The tea color of the water will not be so bad after a few months.  I use the tea color to let me know that I've put off a water change too long.<br /><br />I'm sure you can add chemicals to clear up the tanins in the water but I prefer to use as few chemicals as possible on my tanks.<br />I think carbon may help remove tanins from water and that would be fine but needs changed frequently.  you might verify that.<br /><br />Basically anyway you look at it whether through filters or siphoning its going to require frequent maintenance unless you use some creativity with automatic water changes of some sort.<br /><br />I have never hear of putting caves on the sides of the tank like that but it might not be something bad to tryout.  I've always put mine on the bottom but your idea may hold some merit.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[how do you tell sex on a common pl*co. i got 12 of them for free and want to know how to breed them also. any help would be nice will get pic latter on in the day. all so how do i set up the tank]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Loricariidae - plecos et al) :: Re: need some help :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Why do you want to breed common plecos? They are available in nearly every shop (for very little money), grow too large for most people to properly care for them throughout the fish's full life... What do you plan to do with the hundreds or thousands of babies you get? If you do not have contracts with a wholesaler already to sell them, you are unlikely to be able to sell the off-spring - your LFS probably wont want to have more than a hundred or so per batch - say once every couple of months, and if you have a dozen fish with equal number of males and females, you should be able to produce several thousand every month.<br /><br />Where do you live [it does say aroura in your profile, but there is no country or other information to tell us WHERE aroura actually is - which the &quot;rules&quot; actually say you should have]? <br /><br />Do you have a large pond dug out of the ground with just &quot;mud&quot; walls (that is, built without a liner)?<br /><br />If you don't live somewhere where there aren't common plecos as an invasive species, I would suggest that you should only breed them indoors to prevent further spread of this fish. <br /><br />As to sexing, have you had a look in the FAQ (under Help! in the menu) - it does explain there. But given the number of them, one would think that it's very unlikely that you have only one sex - it is, assuming the whole group breeds about 50/50 m/f ratio, statistically, one chance in about 2000 that you have all males or all females - that seems very unlikely.<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:28:42 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[well mats p i do have a hole seller i can sell them to. and i live in Colorado. and iam just looking to breed these guys first to help me breed some rarer plecos. i just want a little experience first. so any help]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[So, I expect you've just mistyped your location and mean Aurora, CO, which is near Denver. Winter high temperature in Denver is abour 40'F. This is far too cold for these being outdoors. <br /><br />So, you need an indoors tank. Given that they probably should be about a foot or so when they are mature enough to breed, we're looking at a tank that is at least 2ft x 2ft x 4ft - but you also need to have enough space to have 2ft deep caves in the tank, and enough space for the males to feel secure, so if you actually plan on getting a dozen fish in a tank, we'll probably need something that is more like 4ft wide and 8ft long, and about two foot deep. Do you have a tank that sort of size at the moment? And suitable filtration for it? Because if not, you're looking to spent something like $4000 to breed fish that you get perhaps $0.25 each. So, to recover that investment, you either need to breed a large amount of valable fish, or you need to breed about 16000 common plecos (and sell them). Is the wholesaler local to Colorado? Do they sell all over the country? <br /><br />Would it not make more sense to breed for example common Ancistrus. They can be bred in a average size tank, 20-30gal size is perfectly fine.<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[I am pretty sure it's Ich since I can't think of what else it could be. However, the spots are not as white as I know Ich to be. I've had the bn only a couple weeks. The first 2 pics are when I got the bn...<br /><img src="http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz172/Karen_Robinson/100_1164_00.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz172/Karen_Robinson/100_1161_00.jpg" alt="Image" /><br />Then 2 pics now...<br /><img src="http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz172/Karen_Robinson/100_1180.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><img src="http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz172/Karen_Robinson/100_1177.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br />Hopefully you can see the spots I am talking about. It's been a couple days like that. I've turned up the temp to 86 and been dosing Ich Attack. I used it on my other bn and it worked well. However there are a lot of spots and it's making me nervous. Should I keep on with the Ich Attack or is something else recommended? I have done salt treatments before, but thought bn's were sensitive to salt.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[I have used Kordons rid ich + in a tank with a BN before and no ill effects. <br /><br />I cannot really see the spots tho that you mean .  <br /><br />I'm sure someone will come on soon and clarify for you. <br /><br />hi by the way ! <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:51:30 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<span style="color: purple">I'd say that looks more like oodinium than ich.  That fish is in rough shape.  If you don't get him help very soon it will be too late.  86 might be too high, depending on what you can keep your dissolved oxygen levels at.  I would use quick cure or a formalin/malachite green based treatment for an infestation that looks this bad.  I also always use daily 50% water changes when I am treating sick fish.  <br /><br />Answering the questions in the sticky at the top of the forum might also help us help you with a better course of action <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" />.<br /><br />Barbie</span>]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:03:43 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Bushy Nose have no problem being kept in treatment with 1 tbs of salt/gal for as long as it takes. Less salt will not be of much help.<br />Oodinuim is easier to cure when you use the recommended medication with salt.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[1. Water parameters <br />a) Temerature range. currently 86<br />b) pH. 7.6<br />c) GH. <br />d) KH <br />e)Ammonia, Nitrate, Nitrite, levels. A-0, NA-5ish,NI-0<br />f) Water change frequency 50% approx every other day now with illness<br />(Most LFS's will check your water and give a list of readings). <br /><br />2. Tank set up <br />a) Size. 5g<br />b) Substrate. none<br />c) Filtration. Aqueon QuietFlow 10 and a bubble bar<br />d) Furnishings. one plastic barrel cave- did have piece of driftwood but took it out to use Rid Ich+<br />e) Other tank mates. none<br />f) How long has it been set-up? a little over a week, just set up for QT <br />g) When was the last new fish added? this is the only fish added<br />h) Foods used and frequency? piece of wafer opposite nights of a piece of zucchini<br /><br />3. Symptoms / Problem description white/goldish spots as in pics above<br /><br />4. Action taken (if any) have raised temp and used Ich Attack for 3 days with no visible sign of improvement. Just did another 50% wc and added Rid Ich+<br /><br />5. Medications used (if any) Ich Attack and now Rid Ich+<br /><br />Sorry I didn't post this sooner. I should have realized  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /> I really hope it's not Oodinium. I haven't seen any &quot;gold dust&quot; on him. Will it show up as specs like Ich as well? I have only read info saying it usually looks like gold dust or velvety. I didn't want to take any chances so switched to the Rid Ich+.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:40:08 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: B.Platynemum on Dried !! :: Reply by Redtailrob</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[For sure.<br /><br />Not threads I've started but here's some info<br /><br /><!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=27622&amp;start=0">viewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=27622&amp;start=0</a><!-- l --><br /><br />And also<br /><br /><!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=28598#p177941">viewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=28598#p177941</a><!-- l -->]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Nice info.  Thanx Rob.  My questions are actually about compatibility: see 2nd thread.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Viktor Jarikov)</author>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: smallest tankmate :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I take it these two threads are twins??<br /><!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=30675">viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=30675</a><!-- l -->]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Viktor Jarikov)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 01:41:58 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: amblydoras nauticus :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>knifegill wrote:</cite>I found several at Liam's in Chinatown and these two were the best-looking. They are awesome fish, very active and cute. Just sharing. As usual, this forum thinks my picture is too big, so sorry for the loss. But if you're also logged into MFK, you'll be able to see these:</div></blockquote><br /><br />What are the coordinates of the Chinatown?  Are we talking Seattle?<br /><br />To resize a pic, one may simply use Microsoft PhotoEditor and choose a &quot;resize&quot; option and choose less dpi, for PC-viewing 75 dpi is plenty!]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Viktor Jarikov)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 01:48:52 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: GOOD TANKMATE? :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I guess too many - too broad of a question.  People do not know where to start?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Viktor Jarikov)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 01:55:29 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Looking to buy a gulper....... ...</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=29196&amp;p=199811#p199811</link>
            <description><![CDATA[Do you mean an Ogre catfish, Asterophysus batrachus?  I've heard LFS workers refer to Ompoks from Siluridae family as gulpers too.  Perhaps they were wrong, though.<br /><br />I never had one but would really like to have.  Riverwonders had one 1-footer for sale at $500.  Ouch.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Viktor Jarikov)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:12:18 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Cetopsis Coecutiens (Blue Whale Catfiish) :: ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Nice education guys, thanx!!!  Is there a centralized thread for such a discussion of pros and cons of beef heart diet?  If yes, this thread may be good to link to it and also it'd be good for me to continue reading up about this.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Viktor Jarikov)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:38:14 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Tig Pattern Fade :: Reply by Redtailrob</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[This fish has neither lost any more colour/bands or returned to it's former colours.<br />I noticed yesterday that it also has some scratches/grazes on its flanks so maybe it's scraping with a tank mate??<br />Sat in the fish house with a small torch in the pitch black for about an hour last night trying to spot any culprits but didn't see anything. <br />The things we do for our fish huh??? <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Redtailrob)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 10:47:04 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Batrochoglanis raninus tank mate :: Author ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I found a Batrochoglanis raninus (bumblebee jelly catfish) and im wondering if an african brown knife fish would be a suitable tank mate?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (xrayjeeper83)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 07:00:22 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Batrochoglanis raninus tank mate :: Reply by ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[They should be fine together.  Just make sure there isn't such a size disparity that one will eat the other.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Silurus)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 08:53:52 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Batrochoglanis raninus tank mate :: Reply by ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[if the tanksizecan have it: get a group<br /><br />Xenomystus nigri is a very shy fish when kept as single, but in a group of 5-6 they will show all day<br />it's remarkably peaceful; most knifefishes (both old world and new world) are territorial, some go into extremes.<br /><br />as piscivores go; the Black Knife does eat fish, but small ones. <br />i've kept a group 15 years agoor so; they reached 20cm/8&quot; after quite some time (it grows slow) and the largest prey were female guppy size<br /><br />the raninus however can and does feed on prey up to half its own size. <br />raninus too can be kept in a small group; they are peaceful and often they share the cave if it's roomy enough.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (sidguppy)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 10:34:22 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Batrochoglanis raninus tank mate :: Reply by ...</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=30853&amp;p=199962#p199962</link>
            <description><![CDATA[They will be going into a 55G tank. I do need to get some PVC to make caves for them, but its already planted with rocks to hide under. I have only found the one raninus, a local rescue guy has a 5.5in specimen that was given to him. <br /><br />Do you believe with a 55 I peacefully have the raninus and say 4 abk?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (xrayjeeper83)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 12:35:16 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Lucky find dude, I would love to find one have been looking for years.<br />Got any piccys?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (grokefish)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:08:21 GMT</pubDate>
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            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=30853&amp;p=200019#p200019</link>
            <description><![CDATA[Im told he is about 5.5in long and the guy only wants 10 bucks. He is a rescue from some guy that had to go overseas for a year]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (xrayjeeper83)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 02:07:52 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Author TheFishGuy</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Welcome to The Chronicles of Nugget. Nugget is a South American Redtail Catfish. <br /><br />Before you start with the normal &quot;You can't keep this fish&quot; I assure you I can and will keep it. The purpose of this thread is to show people NOT to get one of these fish. I've spent the last four years rescueing giant fish and placing them in homes I felt were the best for the fish.<br /><br />I plan to catolog his growth rate and diet along with any other changes that may come about. From the RTCs that I have rescued in the past this guy seems to have hatched about two months ago making his birthday July 4th. <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> He's two inches in length including tail. I will always include tail in the measurements. <br /><br />The background is this. A local store, Johns Aquarium, is going out of buisiness. This was one of his very last fish he had in stock, I bought it so no one else would. John knows how I feel about monster fish and knows how upset I was he was selling pacu and big cats. At any rate, I've decided that Nugget, so named by my oldest daughter, would be a part of the family for as long as humanly possible. The decision took about 45 minutes to make along with alot of discussion with my wife. We have a 14' 1200 gallon tank that will eventually be his home. For the moment he's sharing tank #18, a ten gallon tank with a handfull of 1/4&quot; jewel fry... I'm sure in a week or so he'll graduate to a thirty, then a 70, then a 125, then a 185, then the big tank. In the summer he can spend his time out in the pond <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> <br /><br />At any rate, here he is, Nugget. <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br /><br /><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/jstraz/Nugget/IMG_8706.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/jstraz/Nugget/IMG_8707.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/jstraz/Nugget/IMG_8709.jpg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (TheFishGuy)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 01:50:57 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by brashgordon</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Good luck with nugget.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (brashgordon)</author>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by worton[pl]</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=30839&amp;p=199761#p199761</link>
            <description><![CDATA[Hey,<br /><br />I must say that is sounds very reasonable <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />. Looks like at least one RTC will have a long and happy life <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />. And Nugget is really cute!<br /><br />How long RTC may live?]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 08:17:21 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>worton&#91;pl] wrote:</cite>How long RTC may live?</div></blockquote><br />50-75 years - perhaps more. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (MatsP)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 08:49:00 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by andywoolloo</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=30839&amp;p=199772#p199772</link>
            <description><![CDATA[i've never seen one that small. he is adorable the potential or rather inevitable beastie! <br /><br />I look forward to seeing his progress! <br /><br />damn he is cute!]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (andywoolloo)</author>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by TheFishGuy</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[On the way home yesterday the kids and I were discussing how old we would all be when I'd have to rent a back hoe to bury him...Because I'll be too old to dig by hand! LOL<br /><br />Apparently he enjoyed his first nite here. He's got a tiny little belly on him! LOL]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (TheFishGuy)</author>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Lots of luck, Jonathan!  I admire your confidence, courage, commitment, and lack of superstition.  You must surely know EXACTLY what you are doing to start such a bold and ambitious thread.  I hope I will see big N. if I ever make it to Orwell.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>MatsP wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>worton&#91;pl] wrote:</cite>How long RTC may live?</div></blockquote><br />50-75 years - perhaps more. <br /><br />--<br />Mats</div></blockquote><br />Where is that estimate from?]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[From discussions on this forum. Do you have a better one (that is, more scientific)?<br /><br />Edit: I just searched the internet, which said about 15 years. But I expect those fish are around 3ft long - nowhere near their ultimate size, and die from lack of suitable tank-space, rather than because they are &quot;old&quot;. Bearing in mind that many of the tiny catfish live for a dozen or more, I'd definitely expect one that can grow to five feet to last a lot longer than a 2&quot; fish...<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by Bas Pels</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Although a RTC is not a Platydoras - they are not even the same family - but still, I got my Platydoras in 1988. I expect them to live for quite a few years, reaching 30 years or more. RTC is much larger<br /><br />However, taking care of big RTC is not easy, and therefore I would interprete any info ion the internet as a minimum]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by TheFishGuy</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[My hope is that this thread will help to inform many fish keepers about this fish from my first hand experience. The crazy part about this is I've nver raised a RTC and firmly believe in they should not be sold. The only reason I bought this one was because the store was closing, this was an opportunity to get one but not enable the owner to run out and get more to sell... I also have the unique experience of rescueing these fish from other fish keepers who could no longer keep them. I've nursed one back from near death and urine burns which stained his skin a permanent yellowish color. So I've kept the beasts, but only as beasts. <br /><br />My last attempt at keep a large cat was a TSN named Tigger. Tigger jumped from a 14' tank after being spooked. He shot out like a bullet and hit a block wall knocking himself out and I was forced to euthanize him. RTC's don't seem to spook as easily as TSNs so my hope is that incicdent will not happen again. <br /><br />The 1200 has an automatic water changer on it of the DIY design and is completely adjustable according to stock. I can go from a drip an hour to 500 gallons and hour. So water quality will not be an issue in the future. I wish I had that option when I rescued the one near death. Having to wait for the tank to drain and re-fill took hours...<br /><br />No one has asked, but the reason Nugget is in a ten gallon is so it is no challenge for him to find food. Once he gets slightly larger I'll start to train him to hand feed and get him off live food entirely. <br /><br />The same method is used when breeding fish, keep the fry in small confines so they can find food easily... Then move them to something larger once they equate you as the source of food.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Sounds like a great project for many reasons. The main one is that most people who say things like &quot;Don't buy one of these fish&quot; [me for example] have never kept them, and are immediately told &quot;Well, you've never tried to keep one, have you?&quot; [usually in conjunction with the original poster assuming that because a 55g tank is so much bigger than the biggest tank they have ever had, is adequate for rather large fish!]<br /><br />I'm not entirely sure that 1400 gallon is enough for the entire lifetime of the fish, but it's definitely good for some foreseeable future. I'm sure you are aware of this too!<br /><br />And your explanation of the 10g tank is good for me. A 2&quot; fish will work fine in a 10g tank - it's only a problem when the owner has nothing else and no good plan to get something much, much bigger. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think we touched upon this in another thread, but people say RTCs can get to 5-6 feet, I mean witnesses who travelled to S. America.  As I mentioned once too, Mr. Ray Lucas of Buffallo NY said he saw firsthand 7-8 foot specimen.  Oh my!  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" />  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" />  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" />  I'd dearly, dearly love to see one live this size.  14', 1200 gal will not even begin to cover for such a giant, but likely they grow real quickly only in the first years and it will take ten or tens of years to get to the 5-8 foot marks?  Also, what glass thickness and glass pane length can handle a blow of a 30-pound 5-foot spooked fish?<br /><br />As for the age, in prior discussions, I think the majority felt 30-50 years was a reasonable expectation under ideal or near-ideal living conditions throughout their entire lives.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:37:17 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by TheFishGuy</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[The glass in my tank is the same size and thickness as a friend of mines glass in his 15,000. 3/4&quot;x30&quot;x72&quot;. Only difference is my glass is horizontal, his is verticle... So I don't think the glass thickness is an issue. <br /><br />As for m tank not being big enough, I'm aware, and I'm also aware that I'm not following my own advice by saying buy the tank then the fish because life's what happens when you're making other plans! <br /><br />I do have plans for a fish house to break ground in 2014. it will be a 40x60 building with a few ponds set up on a heated floor, but the building will house at a minimum a 20K tank for pacus and large cats. I have the land and the know how to build it (I'm a carpenter/contractor) and have many friends in the trades, the only one of which I'll be calling on is the mason. I want the tank to be block. Haven't decided on shape or final dimentions but it will more than likely be &quot;L&quot; shapped. I'm a big fan of having breaks in line of site.<br /><br />By the time it's ready for Nugget, Nugget will be ready for it!]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 23:48:43 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Amen.<br /><br />Good luck!]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by andywoolloo</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[are the two white spots you can see on his back ok? Not fungus or something or is that normal.<br /><br />such a cutie pie. <br /><br />no they shouldn't sell those poor guys, he is so precious. i am glad he is with you. <br /><br />wow you had a big fish jump out of a tank?  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /> poor thing. <br /><br />can they live outdoors in big ponds?<br /><br />what do they eat ? as they age i am sure it's a different diet?]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>andywoolloo wrote:</cite>wow you had a big fish jump out of a tank?  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /> poor thing. </div></blockquote><br />Just the same way small fish jump out. If you have seen salmon jump rapids, you know that pretty large fish can jump quite well. Large pimelodids are ambush predators, so they will &quot;attack&quot; using good acceleration.<br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>can they live outdoors in big ponds?<br /></div></blockquote><br />If you live in a country where the pond temperature will stay above 25'C/77'F throughout the year [and not get too hot during warm time of the year], either through use of heating or naturally, you can. Where I live, the ground temperature is about 14'C/57'F, so it would require on average 11'C/23'F over ambient temperature to keep one of these - that's a lot of heating!<br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>what do they eat ? as they age i am sure it's a different diet?</div></blockquote><br /><br />Almost anything: fruit, fish (&quot;dead or alive&quot;), &quot;seafood&quot;, etc, etc. Obviously, as they get bigger, they will need bigger portions, but realistically, the same type of food should work throughout their lifetime. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by TheFishGuy</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[As he gets bigger I'm very excited to try fruit. I had never tried it with the others that were here...<br /><br />Here's a link to a photo album about Fankie. There's before and after pics...<br /><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/jstraz/Frankie/">http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/jstraz/Frankie/</a><!-- m -->]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by andywoolloo</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[before and after what? <br /><br />big tank.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by sidguppy</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I don't think this is a fish that would live for such a longtime<br /><br />some large catfishes are in for the long haul; but those are slow growers. <br />some loricariids and Doradids for example would be able to live for a few decades and I expect the larger Mochokids to be in there for 30-40 years; there was an adult Synodontis granulosus at Verduijns that was imported at subadult size in 1973 and it died just 2 years ago.<br />wich means that it was probablyolder than 40, ince they do take time to reach mturity<br /><br />Red Tails however grow incredibly fast, almost as fast as Pangasius. they should be able to reach 3-4 feet in just 2 or 3 years. fish with growspeed like that are often shortlived. <br />they grow fast, lay enormous amounts of eggs and die after a few breeding seasons.<br /><br />the longlived fishes are always slowgrowers;they take 5 or even 10 years to reach a true mature size and then last for years and years<br />the Sturgeon is a fine example of these<br /><br />no, I don't think any red Tail lasts for 50 years; I think 10 at the most is a much more realistic figure, since it's of the &quot;grow fast, spawn in the millions&quot;, not the &quot;grow slow and go in for the long haul&quot; type.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by taksan</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>sidguppy wrote:</cite>I don't think this is a fish that would live for such a longtime<br /><br /> I think 10 at the most is a much more realistic figure, since it's of the &quot;grow fast, spawn in the millions&quot;, not the &quot;grow slow and go in for the long haul&quot; type.</div></blockquote><br /><br />I had one for 27 years ......]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>taksan wrote:</cite>I had one for 27 years ......</div></blockquote><br /><br />And how large was it at that point, and do you know what caused it's passing? <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>sidguppy wrote:</cite>Red Tails however grow incredibly fast, almost as fast as Pangasius. </div></blockquote><br /><br />Not in my hands, Alex.  My (3&quot;-5&quot; bought) RTCs doubled in size in a few months and tripled in size (length really I mean, the weight increase is far larger) in ~4 months (~ same as my Leiarius Marmoratus and Pictus).  My ID sharks (3&quot;-4&quot; bought) added maybe an inch or 1.5&quot; after the same time!  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" />  I wish they grew faster.<br /><br />But your logic has good merits, I just wonder if there are many exceptions to this rule of thumb.  Sturgeon is a really nice example you give.<br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>andywoolloo wrote:</cite>before and after what? </div></blockquote><br /><br />apparently before means &quot;just rescued&quot; - his shape and state is pitiful!  After means after Jonathan took good care of him - he looks healed up and healthy, good color, form but still holds his fins close to his body - possibly a sign of phycological trauma from a long time abusive keep.<br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>TheFishGuy wrote:</cite>Here's a link to a photo album about Fankie. There's before and after pics...</div></blockquote><br /><br />Why Frankie?  I was hoping to see the Jumper-Suicidal-type TSN Tigger because that fish was just discussed above.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: The Nugget Chronicles . :: Reply by TheFishGuy</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Look closer at the before and after pictures. When we got him all or most of his fins were worn down to nubs after living in a 125 for 7 years... <br /><br />As for RTCs only lliving ten years. I believe you are wrong, while your theory is somewhat true you need to take into account that RTCs are apex predators. They grow quickly in first few years to avaiod beig eaten, then they slow down. I know of one that is in it's mid twenties and still acts like a juvi! LOL He's just over four foot...]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[oh i do see what you say now. much improvement. i was distracted by that big tank and nice sand. <br /><br />now that's an awesome fish.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Great news! Nugget ate a sinking carnivore pellet last nite... Practically by hand! LOL Something about hand feeding a 2&quot; redtail doesn't compare to feeding one that mistakes your hands as food! LOL<br /><br />No more live food for Nugget! LOL That didn't take long! LOL]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Now this is annoying.<br />Went to Zajac yesterday, was late due to several traffic jams so had to rush a little. Had one good look in every tank and at the name/price tags. No auchenipterids, except for C. perugiae.<br />Specifically asked at the aquarium counter and both persons told me they had no auchenipterids (Trugdornwelse) in stock. Okay, no problem. Got my bucket of flakes, a heater and several other things.<br />Today I phoned Alex for he'd been to Bremen to collect some Madagascar c*****ds last Thursday. He told me that prior to Bremen he'd visited Zajac and another shop nearby. When I told him I'd visited Zajac on Friday, the first thing he said was: did you see the Tatia? <br />I thought he was pulling my leg. No, I said, there weren't any. I specifically asked.<br />Oh yes, he said, there were. I don't know if you already had them or not, but there were Tatia at Zajac.<br />Not funny!<br />Combine that with the fact that the other shop had Markiana and Rhoadsia (rather rare characins) and you can imagine that I cursed after the phone conversation.<br />Wrong place, wrong info, wrong time (I don't need a car to cover 4 kms an hour; I could as well walk that distance). The thing that annoys me most however, is that my holidays are over and I have to start this Monday. And the agenda tells me the oncoming weekends are booked for all kinds of reasons. After 7 weeks of relative freedom it's quite irritating that just <span style="font-weight: bold">now</span> I'll have to plan according to someone else's scheme again. No doubt it'll be on a Saturday.<br />But which one? <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Marc van Arc)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 19:52:59 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[What's even more annoying Marc is that they were TRUE <span style="font-style: italic">T. galaxias</span>  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 21:57:18 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>The.Dark.One wrote:</cite>What's even more annoying Marc is that they were TRUE <span style="font-style: italic">T. galaxias</span>  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /></div></blockquote><br /><br />You're joking, right?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Marc van Arc)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 22:48:23 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Calm, Marc. Calm.<br /><br />I think you are about to blow a fuse   <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/angry.gif" alt=":ang:" title="angry" /> <br /><br />Mind you, I would feel the same. I've yet to see a true tatia galaxias.<br /><br />It seems like shop staff with poor knowledge is a global problem...]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:42:03 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[I've taken the time today to write a polite email to Zajac. Not to complain, but to explain the situation and to see if they're willing to have a look for me (which species, what price and if they're still there). Looking forward to their reaction.<br /><br />Meanwhile there may be some luck involved, because the tank they would have gone into is causing problems since yesterday evening. So far no auchenipterids are involved, but the Barbus everetti are showing unwanted behaviour (like squeezing fins and dying).<br /><br />And although this always seems to happen at the end of a holiday, I'm still perfectly calm <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Marc van Arc)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:50:54 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Marc van Arc wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>The.Dark.One wrote:</cite>What's even more annoying Marc is that they were TRUE <span style="font-style: italic">T. galaxias</span>  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /></div></blockquote><br /><br />You're joking, right?</div></blockquote><br /><br />Course I am Marc, hence the twisted evil smilie!  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (The.Dark.One)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:24:36 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Marc van Arc wrote:</cite>Could any of the keepers of <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Auchenipterus nigripinnis"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Auchenipterus nigripinnis/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Auchenipterus nigripinnis&quot; /><br/>Auchenipterus nigripinnis&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Auchenipterus nigripinnis</em></a> confirm (or deny) that these are very slow growers?<br />Mine don't seem to grow anymore and are currently 8 cms TL.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Confirmed. I've had mine for over a year now and they have grown about 1-2cm max. A month ago i moved my nigripinnis to a bigger (550L) tank and i lost two of them. Luckily i still have eight left.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Junttis)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:07:34 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks. How large are they atm? (TL)]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Marc van Arc)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:34:17 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Marc van Arc wrote:</cite>Thanks. How large are they atm? (TL)</div></blockquote><br /><br />Biggest one 8.5cm TL. Others 6-8cm.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks again.<br />Sorry you lost those 2 specimens btw. What happened?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Marc van Arc)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:29:53 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi!!<br /><br />so basically the question is are these fish what they are supposed to be...or something new??<br /><br />And if indeed they are the intended species, what cause them to stop growing??<br /><br />Cheers<br />Yann]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Marc van Arc wrote:</cite>Thanks again.<br />Sorry you lost those 2 specimens btw. What happened?</div></blockquote><br /><br />One jumped out from the bucket while acclimatizing and the other one died due stress i think.  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/evil.gif" alt=":evil:" title="evil" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Junttis)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:54:29 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Sorubim lima and BN :: Author kizno1</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I saw one today that was about 8&quot; and £24. Im really tempted but im not sure if it would work in my new tank. Would one be ok in a 5'x2'x2' tank? and would a adult eat a fully grown common BN. I dont think one will work but just though i would ask.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 16:31:08 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I wouldn't think that a 5&quot; BN would be at danger from even a fully grown <span style="font-style: italic">Sorubim lima</span>. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (MatsP)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 16:53:14 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by kizno1</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>MatsP wrote:</cite>I wouldn't think that a 5&quot; BN would be at danger from even a fully grown <span style="font-style: italic">Sorubim lima</span>. <br /><br />--<br />Mats</div></blockquote><br />Thats great then i though people where going to say the BNs would disappear. Does £24 sound like a good price for one at 8&quot;? <br />The plan for the stocking is<br />2 gold severums<br />1 BGKF<br />4 red head tapajo geophagus<br />1 female Nicaragua c*****d<br />3 BNs<br />1 lima<br />and then a few dithers but not decided what yet.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 16:57:21 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[£24 doesn't sound like a bad price, but to be honest, I don't know how much they usually are. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (MatsP)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 17:02:10 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by kizno1</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Fair enough. I thought it seemed quite good. It looked in good quality aswell looked well feed and was active.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 17:10:18 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by TheFishGuy</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[If you have some sort of verticle type decor like a stick even... They love to rest on them with thier snout pointing down. Mine always did a head stand on a plastic brontosaurus! LOL]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by kizno1</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>TheFishGuy wrote:</cite>If you have some sort of verticle type decor like a stick even... They love to rest on them with thier snout pointing down. Mine always did a head stand on a plastic brontosaurus! LOL</div></blockquote><br />Haha. Ive been looking around and alot of places say they often do it. The tanks not set up yet but there will be loads of wood and bits.<br />What do you feed yours? most places just say muscles, prawns and pellets.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[mine love any meat, never taken a pellet in their life with me (~0.7 year, 5&quot;, 10&quot;, and 12&quot;).<br /><br />In NE USA, they go for ~$15-25 for 3-4&quot; ones.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 01:28:17 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by kizno1</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[What meats do you feed them?<br />Is your one at 12&quot; fully grown because the size seems to vary alot on sites between 12 and 24&quot;]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[&quot;meat&quot; should be fish-meat - to avoid transfer of parasites, the fish should preferably be marine. Also prawns/shrimps, mussels and such would be excellent food. <br /><br />Cat-eLog list 16.5&quot; as the max size, and I expect that 12&quot; isn't fully grown, particularly if 12&quot; is TL (total length) rather than the Cat-eLog's SL (standard length - not counting the tail-fin itself, just to the end of the muscle at the back of the fish). At around 16&quot; one would expect the tail-fin to be at least 2-3&quot; extra, which brings us to a bigger size. Further, the <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/Sorubim"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/Sorubim/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;Sorubim&quot; /><br/>Sorubim&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>Sorubim</em></a> genus does have a few other species that superficially look very similar, and at least some of them described in the last few years, which makes it possible that other species have been imported under the name of <span style="font-style: italic">S. lima</span> because anything that looks similar &quot;can't be anything else&quot;. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks<br />Can any marine fish work or are there types to avoid?<br /><br />So including tail they will get to about 18-19&quot; long. Thanks for clearing that up.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[I'd avoid fatty fish - like mackerel, tuna and related species. But almost any cheap fish in the frozen isle of the supermarket should be fine.<br /><br />And like all fish, not all fish grow to their full potential. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks.<br /><br />Yeah good point. <br /><br />Are they quite fast growning? if they are i might have to find a smaller one or add it last because all the other fish will only be about 3-4&quot; apart from the BNs and none of them are massively fast growing especially not the black ghost knife fish.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[What type of shoaling fish would work with a lima. I was going to go for Ameca splendens or emperor tetra but now i want a lima i think both of them would get munched.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[What type of shoaling fish would work with a lima. I was going to go for Ameca splendens or emperor tetra but now i want a lima i think both of them would get munched.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>kizno1 wrote:</cite>What meats do you feed them?<br />Is your one at 12&quot; fully grown because the size seems to vary alot on sites between 12 and 24&quot;</div></blockquote><br /><br />Of course, like Mats said, aquatic meats.  To mine I give mostly raw tilapia, whiting, shell-on raw shrimp, occasionally bay mussles, calamari, f.d. krill, plankton.  I've never tried beef heart yet but Larry Waybright is making good points about trying it out - just need to learn to prep it right.  One big advantage is beef heart is cheap.<br /><br />Mine at 12&quot; TL is far from fully grown.<br /><br />Mats brings about an excellent point about look-alikes, i.e., close relatives of S. lima and I aso remember vividly one recent discussion about Sorubim hybrids and their possible wide-spread abundance in the trade!  Milton Tan knows about that, if I am not mistaken.<br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>kizno1 wrote:</cite>Are they quite fast growning? </div></blockquote><br />Not in my hands.  In 0.7 years my small one went from 4&quot; to 5&quot;, approximately, but it gives you a ballpark #.<br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>kizno1 wrote:</cite>What type of shoaling fish would work with a lima.</div></blockquote><br />S. lima hands down!!!  if you mean shoaling with S. lima  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> , if not than I do not know and the question may be too broad.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Viktor Jarikov wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>kizno1 wrote:</cite>What meats do you feed them?<br />Is your one at 12&quot; fully grown because the size seems to vary alot on sites between 12 and 24&quot;</div></blockquote><br /><br />Of course, like Mats said, aquatic meats.  To mine I give mostly raw tilapia, whiting, shell-on raw shrimp, occasionally bay mussles, calamari, f.d. krill, plankton.  I've never tried beef heart yet but Larry Waybright is making good points about trying it out - just need to learn to prep it right.  One big advantage is beef heart is cheap.<br /><br />Mine at 12&quot; TL is far from fully grown.<br /></div></blockquote><br />Thanks. Ill see what i can get and what sort of prices then.<br /><br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>Viktor Jarikov wrote:</cite><br /><blockquote><div><cite>kizno1 wrote:</cite>Are they quite fast growning? </div></blockquote><br />Not in my hands.  In 0.7 years my small one went from 4&quot; to 5&quot;, approximately, but it gives you a ballpark #.<br /></div></blockquote><br />Thats alright then maybe a 82 one wouldnt be to much of a problem then.<br /><br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>Viktor Jarikov wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>kizno1 wrote:</cite>What type of shoaling fish would work with a lima.</div></blockquote><br />S. lima hands down!!!  if you mean shoaling with S. lima  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> , if not than I do not know and the question may be too broad.</div></blockquote><br />I was meaning what type of shoaling fish wont a lima eat. I want some dithers for the c*****ds but all the ones i was thinking of i think a lima will eat.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>kizno1 wrote:</cite>I was meaning what type of shoaling fish wont a lima eat. I want some dithers for the c*****ds but all the ones i was thinking of i think a lima will eat.</div></blockquote><br /><br />yeah I know; I was just playing word games with you, I guess, as the question (barring the following sentence) was ambiguos  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> <br /><br />All I can say is that the fish should be significantly larger than lima's mouth and say be at least 1/4-1/2 the length of lima.  It's a rule of thumb, of course, because there are other factors, e.g., some fish are able to defend themselves better than others, some are better, faster swimmers, occupy top, or middle vs. bottom, etc.  Limas do not have as large a mouth as many other big cats, like Pims, Ompoks, etc.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[haha<br />Fair enough ill see what i can think of. Do you think a BN will be alright with a fully grown lima?]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[i know next to nothing of plecos but didn't Mats said that a fully grown 5&quot; BN should be safe in the company of even fully grown Lima?  I cannot help with another opinion here.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Viktor Jarikov wrote:</cite>yeah I know; I was just playing word games with you, I guess, as the question (barring the following sentence) was ambiguos  </div></blockquote><br /><br />oh, I remember the other reason for saying that:  people have great things to say about a shoal of lima!  Ask Back from Finland!  He is HUGE on limas - it is even his avatar.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I believe a bristlenose would be safe. They are not easy on the mouth of any fish, and it requires a REALLY greedy fish to even give it a go - have you touched the fins of a large bristlenose? Or the cheek-spines (interopercular odontodes). <br /><br />But it is not my fish, so it's easy for me to sit on my chair in the office and say that it's safe!<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Viktor Jarikov wrote:</cite>Mats brings about an excellent point about look-alikes, i.e., close relatives of S. lima and I aso remember vividly one recent discussion about Sorubim hybrids and their possible wide-spread abundance in the trade! Milton Tan knows about that, if I am not mistaken.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Yeah!  Before I forgot again and in view of the above, I must say I am not proficient enough and neither can I take a good look at my 10&quot; and 12&quot; ones in the 25-foot pond to be 90%-100% certain that I have three limas!  They are rather lima-looking to be technically correct given my lack of profound expertise and ID effort.  The fact that they were sold as limas (one was a rescue) does not mean much at all - the LFSs are there to sell fish and do not have the time/desire to research WHAT they are actually selling.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>MatsP wrote:</cite>I believe a bristlenose would be safe. They are not easy on the mouth of any fish, and it requires a REALLY greedy fish to even give it a go - have you touched the fins of a large bristlenose? Or the cheek-spines (interopercular odontodes). <br /><br />But it is not my fish, so it's easy for me to sit on my chair in the office and say that it's safe!<br /><br />--<br />Mats</div></blockquote><br /><br />Yeah i have and it hurts thats one of the reasons i thought they might be ok but im still a little wary because if it hits 16&quot; a 5&quot; BN could look like a nice snack. I guess i can give it a go if i get a small one hopefully it will never picture it as food.<br /><br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>Viktor Jarikov wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Viktor Jarikov wrote:</cite>Mats brings about an excellent point about look-alikes, i.e., close relatives of S. lima and I aso remember vividly one recent discussion about Sorubim hybrids and their possible wide-spread abundance in the trade! Milton Tan knows about that, if I am not mistaken.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Yeah!  Before I forgot again and in view of the above, I must say I am not proficient enough and neither can I take a good look at my 10&quot; and 12&quot; ones in the 25-foot pond to be 90%-100% certain that I have three limas!  They are rather lima-looking to be technically correct given my lack of profound expertise and ID effort.  The fact that they were sold as limas (one was a rescue) does not mean much at all - the LFSs are there to sell fish and do not have the time/desire to research WHAT they are actually selling.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Ill have to have a look through the other types and see if theres a good way to tell them lima apart from them.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Looking though the pics im 99% sure that it was a lima but the elongatus do look fairly similar but the other to dont look as similar.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[the hybrids issue is by far and large the most formidable obstacle to ID-ing - I have no good way to work it out with pics and descriptions; there is one scientific paper (I think it was mentioned/linked in one thread) that has some info on Sorubim hybrids but not sure it is comprehensive and has good pics]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Viktor Jarikov wrote:</cite>the hybrids issue is by far and large the most formidable obstacle to ID-ing - I have no good way to work it out with pics and descriptions; there is one scientific paper (I think it was mentioned/linked in one thread) that has some info on Sorubim hybrids but not sure it is comprehensive and has good pics</div></blockquote><br />Do you know where it is? i wouldnt mind having a read through that.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[a quick search (using search tab) simply on &quot;sorubim lima hybrid&quot; provided the right hit !!<br /><br /><!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=23836&amp;start=20">viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=23836&amp;start=20</a><!-- l --><br /><br />here is the link courtesy of TP (thanx a lot, TP!!!!!)<br /><br />Report this postReply with quoteRe: members currently keeping sorubim lima<br />by TP » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:36 pm <br /><br />Sometimes I wonder if we are all actually keeping Sorubim Lima.<br /><br />There appear to be five species of sorubim and all look pretty similar but sizes of the different species range from 25cm TL upto 80cm TL<br /><br />This is a really good paper to read if you like these fish.<br /><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2007f/zt01422p029.pdf">http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2007f/zt01422p029.pdf</a><!-- m --><br /><br />Sorubim cuspicaudus which is the largest species at 80cm TL can be determined by its having a forked tail with two straight lobes whereas all the rest of the species which are between 25cm and 50cm TL have a rounded bottom lobe. There is a good illustration in the paper (page 6) that shows it probably a lot better then my description.<br /><br />It would be interesting to know if people have larger ones if they are actually S. cuspicaudus.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by kizno1</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Cheers for that. I only had a quick look through but ill read it more tomorrow.]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think you will benefit from reading the entire 3-page thread too<br />viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=23836&amp;start=20]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I find it fairly unlikely that there are man-made hybrids of <span style="font-style: italic">Sorubim</span> species. I'm not saying it's impossible, but what's the real point of hybridizing a genus that have mostly similar species? I can see mixes with other Pimelodids for one reason or another, but mixing, say, <span style="font-style: italic">S. lima</span> with another <span style="font-style: italic">Sorubim</span> species just doesn't make sense to me - you're not going to get something that is incredibly fast-growing, extra tasty or otherwise better as a food-fish [as far as I can see]. And these fish aren't popular/expensive enough in the trade to be much point breeding hybrids for the aquatic trade. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by kizno1</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Ill have to write down how many rays and bit they should have a go and have a closer look at it next time im there. <br />Are they fine on there own or do they NEED to be in groups?]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Good points, Mats.  I've been mulling it over and must say I was most likely misremembering prior discussions:  it is not the hybrid problem but the look-alike purebred species problem with Sorubim.  <br /><br />Still, let me talk just in general, not in defence of my possibly faulty memory.  There is a host of similar-looking &quot;TSNs&quot; and some experts believe that what is commonly available in the trade is a hybrid of planiceps with maybe a fasciatum or recticulatum or tigrinum or smth else.  Maybe, this happens because all of these are kept together and breed together somewhere in SA farms?<br /><br />Not every breeder is as intelligent as you are, Mats  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> Some SA fish farmers may have overheard/were told that hybrids are &quot;better&quot;.  So that is what they are doing until someone teaches them that they are wrong.  Old knowledge/&quot;know-how&quot; is hard to replace - ignorance rules everywhere, including my life too  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /> <br /><br />Moreover, it is not unreasonable to presume they may know more than we do and hybrid Sorubim possess some other good traits that we do not know about, like a stronger immune system or what not - I am just fantasizing now.  Or they are sterile, which means the buyers have less of a chance to breed them - hence, bigger sales for the seller/originator, right?]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[The TSN (and close relatives) are indeed farmed as food-fish in South America - and hybrids produced to achieve &quot;hybrid vigour&quot;. I don't believe Sorubims are frequent in aquaculture [I did a quick google, but not everything is available on the web], and if they are, it would then require that the parent fish come from completely different regions to produce hybrids - possible, but less likely.<br /><br />It is well known that Aquaculture fish are introduced into the ornamental fish trade. But by no means a given that this is where fish in the shop comes from. Most of the Pimelodid species are undoubtedly wild-caught.<br /><br />I think there is a tendency to shout &quot;hybrid&quot; as soon as the fish aren't easily matched with an existing well-known species. It is entirely possible that not ALL species have been discovered/identified/scientifically described yet, as well as there being regional variation within a species. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by kizno1</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[If i can get it on pellets which type would be best?]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Something intended for carnivores - there are so many different kinds, and they are all pretty much the same thing with only small differences in actual content (most of them having that major ingredient being &quot;fish-meal&quot;). Sinking pellets tend to expand a bit less than the ones that float, usually - they way some of these fish can eat can give them quite a &quot;beerbelly&quot;, so expanding types are less suitable. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>South American Catfishes (Everything else) :: Re: Sorubim lima and BN :: Reply by kizno1</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Ok thanks. Ill have a look around then.]]></description>
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            <title>Other Catfishes :: What to feed my Arius Graeffei :: Author dasquee</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hello everyone.<br /><br />I've been visiting PCF for a while but never posted, although this particular question has been floating around in my head for a while now.<br /><br />Basically, I'm wondering what I should feed my catfish. I believe he's an Arius Graeffei as the Arius Berneyi isn't the same colour as mine.<br /><br />I currently feed him a variety of what I feed my loaches and other fish but most things he won't really eat. The exception is frozen blood worms, ONE type of sinking pellet (won't touch wafers or any other type of pellet, not even bigger ones of the same type), and recently shrimp pellets. <br />I've read online that they eat a variety of foods, but I don't know what else to try. He doesn't touch vegetables or anything that floats, but will happily eat any fish small enough to fit in his huge gob, although about 50 feeder fish only lasted one night (that was before I knew they were a bad idea).<br /><br />I was wondering, should I try shrimp? (Frozen Brine or even live shrimp) Or perhaps small crayfish?<br /><br />He's been happy to eat what I have, and has quadrupled in length in the 9 months I've had him, but I thought maybe it's about time I gave him more of a choice <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><br /><br />Attached a photo of him in case I've got the wrong type.<br /><br />~Das<br /><br /><a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v436/dasquee/?action=view&amp;current=DSC03675.jpg" class="postlink"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/dasquee/th_DSC03675.jpg" alt="Image" /></a>]]></description>
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            <title>Other Catfishes :: Re: What to feed my Arius Graeffei :: Reply by Richard B</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[The Ariids that i've encountered really preferred meaty type foods so i'd suggest mussels, cockles, shrimp, prawn, krill, lancefish etc (or the australian equivalents). You might also want to try Hikari massivore pellets if not tried already. The shellfish can be chopped (if required)depending on the size of the fish.<br /><br />Oyster, lobster, crayfish etc would also all be good <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_tasty.gif" alt=":P" title="Mmm mmm good..." />]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: catfish hats! :: Reply by L number Banana</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[syno321 wrote:<br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>I tell people that the big red C stands for Catfish!</div></blockquote><br />Of course!<br />That's an awesome logo. <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup.gif" alt=":thumbsup:" title="A OK!" />]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: catfish hats! :: Reply by bronzefry</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[It is an awesome logo. I like how the caudal fin sticks out of the left side of the letter &quot;c&quot;.<br />Amanda]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Loricariidae suitable with Discus? :: Author Hansen</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hello,<br />I'm planning to establish 530 l tank almost as a Discus species tank, i.e. ca. 29 C, fairly soft and acidic. I'd like very much to add two different pairs of interesting/beautiful (which is quite subjective, of course <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /> ) Loricariidae (e.g. panaques etc.). The size of those in the ballpark of 15 to max. 30 cm of length each. Any suggestions of species that goes well with these conditions and are not too difficult to handle or find would be very much appreciated. I've tried to search the forum for a similar question, and I apologize if the topic has already been covered.<br />Thanks a lot in advance!<br /><br />Hans]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:56:04 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Loricariidae suitable with Discus? :: Reply by DutchFry</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[species from the genera Baryancistrus and Hypancistrus would do well in a discus tank because of the temperature. like, for example, <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/L177"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/L177/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;L177&quot; /><br/>L177&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>L177</em></a> or <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/L333"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/L333/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;L333&quot; /><br/>L333&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>L333</em></a><br /><br />these do prefer some current and I'm not sure discus likes current as well. something to think about. Also, as for competition over food, I think Hypancistrus species could have a hard time as tankmates with Discus. I would certainly choose Baryancistrus, they are easy to target feed if necessary. how to target feed? read: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/shanesworld.php?article_id=294&amp;title=Feeding+PlecosTypes+of+food">http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworl ... es+of+food</a><!-- m --> (down at the end of the page)]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Loricariidae suitable with Discus? :: Reply by Hansen</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Tim,<br />Thanks a lot for your very useful input - it's certainly a couple of beautiful species you have suggested. I'll look more closely at other members of the 2 genera you have suggested. Thanks for the great link - Discus should be slow eaters so maybe the feeding will not be too much of a problem (?) - I'm not quite sure about the current, I'll have to look further into that.<br />Best wishes, Hans]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Loricariidae suitable with Discus? :: Reply by apistomaster</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I have been keeping and breeding Discus since 1969 and began raising Loricaridae about 6 years ago.<br />I have only tried one of the Gold Nuggets once with 10 Heckel Discus and it was fine but they grow so slowly so I don't know how well larger and older specimens would do,but I do know Gold Nuggets sometimes decide they like to scrape Echinodorus bleheri leaves to death.<br />I recommend keeping Hypancistrus species and Peckoltia sp, especially Peckoltia L134 as Discus tank mates. These latter genera can completely replace the use of any warm water Corydoras species as your bottom clean up crew and they all eat the same foods normally fed to Discus. They need the same warm water and same water chemistry as Discus. I use a common Ancistrus as my resident algae eater as none of the Hypancistrus or Peckoltia species are algae eaters.<br />Schools of Parotocinclus or Otocinclus are nice to keep in planted Discus tanks.<br /><br />I advise against trying to keep Sturisoma with Discus. I raise Sturisoma aureum and have had times where I have kept juveniles with juvenile Discus and adults with adult Discus and sooner or later the Sturisoma always begin to find the skin of Discus irresistible and can do considerable damage to the Discus. <br /><br />Are you keeping a domestic Discus strain or one of the 3 wild species?<br />I am only working with wild Discus now but I have raised domestic Discus commercially.<br />I find that Discus appreciate some currents in their tank so long as you do not over do it.]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Loricariidae suitable with Discus? :: Reply by Hansen</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi apistomaster,<br />I’d like to thank you for taking the time to share your huge experience with me and others. I’ll definitely look at the species you mentioned as well.<br />I’m pretty much a rookie as a fishkeeper, having had a 250 l community tank for 2 years now. A year ago, I decided to try my luck with discus and tried to accommodate the tank to (commercially bred) discus (by raising temp., basically). Unfortunately I had no luck, the first 3 specimens died over the course of a few months without obvious signs of disease except turning dark, refusing to eat, hide and die. The next 2 did the same. Therefore I decided not to try this approach anymore – I suspect that the tank was overcrowded for this species (?) though my other common fish were doing fine (red neons, gouramis, cory’s and common ancistrus). I have decided to go for a “nearly” species tank for discus (i.e. discus and catfishes) – and I think I will start with commercially bred specimens (I assume they may be easier to keep?), and I’m planning to establish a 530 L tank at tp 29C and using peat in the filter. I’m thinking the problem partly was due to “underfiltration”, so for this tank I was thinking of the Eheim Pro3 2080. Do you think that would be an overkill? My tapwater is hard (dH 18-24), but I hope the peat will do the trick (?) or do you think rev. osmosis would be needed?<br />Thanks a lot, Hans]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Loricariidae suitable with Discus? :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I have not kept Discus, but I understand that some discus are better than others. Buying from a GOOD supplier is critical - just buying them from the nearest shop may not be such a great idea - better to try someone who specializes in discus. Good water quality is more important (particularly for bred variants) than particularly water parameters. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Loricariidae suitable with Discus? :: Reply by Hansen</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Mats,<br /> - Good advice (re:dealer). However, I have complete confidence in my dealer, he's a discus aficionado, so I'm confident the fish were all right when they left the store. With respect to the water parameters - I just spoke to him and he was very much in concordance with your advice. thanks a lot for your comments,<br />Hans]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Loricariidae suitable with Discus? :: Reply by apistomaster</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Hans, Actually domestic Discus have greatly increased tolerance to higher pH and Hardness than wild fish due to almost 6 decades of selective breeding. But your water is very hard even for the modern domestics. In spite of that I think you made some common mistakes made by beginners. You should begin with at least 6 Discus keeping by following time proven methods which include using a bare bottom tank and allow at least 10 US gallons per Discus. You should keep them at 84*F/28.5*C and adopt and maintain a regime of water changes of about 2/3 of the water every 4th day and try to stay with this schedule as well as you can. Try to select young Discus but old enough to have more resilience than very small fish. I recommend beginning with juveniles about 7 or 8 cm/~3 inches in diameter. Prices begin to get too high if you buy them much larger and discus grow so fast it is a waste of money to spend more than is necessary. They still need to be fed about 4 times a day at this size but if some days all you can do is 3 feedings that is fine. Once they have grown an inch/2.54 cm you can reduce the frequency to 3 feedings a day. Use a high quality pellet type food specially formulated for Discus and plenty of frozen blood worms and frozen black mosquito larvae. Use at least one feeding of a fresh frozen food every day. If live foods are available you should use them as often as is practical for you.<br />It may be hard to accept the use of a bare bottom tank but it is important at the first stages that your tank is easily cleaned at every water change. You can use a few potted plants like Echindorus bleheri, the broad leaf Amazon sword plant, and use some floating frog bit or water sprite because discus like having some areas of over head cover. You can add some branches of aquarium safe wood to make a more aesthetic appearance. Many people always keep their Discus in such a set up all their life but even a sprinkling of white pool filter sand, which is quartz, may be used in a layer only 1 cm thick without loosing the advantages of the bare bottom and to make the tank more appealing. The idea behind this simple set up is to make it easier to keep the tank clean because of the heavy, frequent daily feedings and make those water changes because that is how the growth inhibiting metabolic waste products are kept diluted! If you want to keep Discus in a planted tank it is best to do most of the growing out of the Discus in the simpler set up but when Discus are about a year old, at least 5 inches/13 cm and need only 3 feedings a day, they can be added to a planted tank. You always must allow them at least 10 US gallons per fish and use the net gallons in your calculations allowing for the volume of water displaced by a layer of substrate. Be sure to add gallons for any tank mates that may be sharing the planted tank. <br />The water changing regime you have become accustomed to is something that Discus will always require.<br />As a side benefit all your other fish will do better too. <br /><br />You need to choose potential tank mates with care. They should be species which are not aggressive and they must be comfortable at the warm temperatures discus require.<br />There are many great fish which meet these criteria so you won't feel like your choices are limited. We have already discussed some of the best catfish which do well with Discus but other good tank mates are many of the Tetras, Silver Hatchetfish, Pencilfish and SA Dwarf c*****ds.<br />Among the best Dwarf c*****ds are the common Blue Rams, another and often very reasonably priced beautiful species is the Lyretail Checkerboard c*****d, Dicrossus filamentosus and many species of Apistogramma do well in planted Discus tanks, A. agassizii and A. trifasciata being a couple I recommend but it is better to have a trio of only one Apistogramma species and choose any others from one of those unrelated species already mentioned above.  <br /><br />I have left an elephant in the room so far which needs to be discussed. Your water is very hard.<br />It would be desirable for you to be able to reduce the hardness by using about at least a 50/50 tap water and Reverse Osmosis water blend as your standard water. If you can possibly afford to do this then by all means do so. However, I don't underestimate the adaptability of domestic Discus and you may not need to go to this extra expense and work but once your Discus pair and begin to spawn you will have to use softer water in order to have good hatches, Very hard water can reduce or event prevent the eggs hatching. You may not intend to breed your Discus but if you care for them well you will get a pair or two and you may change your mind. It is hard not to try raising Discus once your have raised some juveniles to adults and they have begun breeding.<br />It is best to avoid buying fish from most shops because there are only a few shop owners who love Discus and care enough to properly provide for their needs. A good juvenile Discus entering a fish store environment are often treated the same as any other fish they stock which means they are often kept too cool and are not fed well enough. It is best to avoid buying Discus from shops except from a shop owner who loves Discus and cares enough to provide for their needs. A good juvenile Discus entering a fish store encounters many stressors at a very vulnerable stage in their development. However, there are shop owners who love discus and know how to care for them and if you find one of these shops then they deserve your business but if you can't find such a shop check out Discus forum sponsors and hobbyist breeders with fish to sell. It may take less than a week in a shop with no experience or disregard to their needs with discus to do enough damage through neglect to have permanent adverse affects on any fish you buy from them which are usually impossible to overcome.]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Loricariidae suitable with Discus? :: Reply by Hansen</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Larry, Thanks so much for your thorough and comprehensive review, which I have read with much interest. I will pay close attention to your advices and I'm prepared to put a lot of effort into the project, so I'll try to do it right this time. I will start out with a bare bottom with wood and a couple of potted plants. Best wishes, Hans]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hans,<br /><br />Remember that if you include some caves in your Discus grow out tank you can keep your Loricaridae with your Discus and enjoy them both while you wait for your Discus to get large enough to do well in your future planted tank.]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Loricariidae suitable with Discus? :: Reply by Hansen</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Larry, - Good idea, I'll do that. Actually, I was planning of also installing a background (being able to clean behind that, too) since I was planning to convert the bare bottom grow-out tank (i.e. with background, wood, potted plants) to the final planted display tank when the discus were ready. This due to space - and financial - restrictions. Would the discus be tolerant of the mess of adding the bottom layer and do the planting etc. while they're in the tank? If I'm lucky and can establish a healthy shoal of out-grown discus, will I be able to later add a couple of additional specimes of say 4 inches of size to the display tank, or will they have poor odds to make it among grown-ups?<br />I'll post a follow-up in some months of the outcome. BTW: Would in be OK with you if I send you an PM if I run into trouble?<br />Best wishes, Hans]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[cpfc, are there any non-poisonous animals in Australia at all? <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt=":mrgreen:" title="Mr. Green" />]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Which part of the world are you from? :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Hansen wrote:</cite>cpfc, are there any non-poisonous animals in Australia at all? <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt=":mrgreen:" title="Mr. Green" /></div></blockquote><br /><br />As far as I know, both crocodiles and kangaroos are completely non-toxic. Of course, the crocs will eat stuff, including humans sometimes, but not toxic as such. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Which part of the world are you from? :: Reply by Melander</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Greetings!<br /><br />I'm from Gothenburg, Sweden but currently live in Ireland.<br /><br />Melander]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Welcome to Planet Catfish. Another ex-patriated Swede, then... <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Which part of the world are you from? :: Reply by Melander</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks Mats.<br /><br />As they say in the Sällskapsresan: &quot;Swedes don't travel to something. They travel away from  something&quot;. <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> <br /><br />Melander]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Which part of the world are you from? :: Reply by corybrummie2010</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi! Melander,welcome to planetcatfish <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks corybrummie2010, I'm already enjoying the stay!<br /><br />Melander]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: plant pot death trap for cory -eek! :: Author L number Banana</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Just a quick warning bout those little clay pots that some aquatic plants come in. <br /><br />I use them all the time for new plants and for things like looping airhoses through them to act as weights....BAD IDEA! Almost lost my largest <a href="http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/corydoras paleatus"  onmouseover="Tip('<img src=&quot;../images/tooltips/corydoras paleatus/g/s/1.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; alt=&quot;corydoras paleatus&quot; /><br/>corydoras paleatus&nbsp;&nbsp;', WIDTH, 320)" onmouseout="UnTip()" target="_blank"><em>corydoras paleatus</em></a>. I noticed she didn't come out to feed for a few days and then I got worried and stated to move things around only to finally realize she was stuck inside the pot that the airtube also goes through. Really stuck. She couldn't move forward or back. If I tried to slide the tube out, I could tell it was increasing the pressure on her somehow. She was kind of puffy and had blood on her cheek/gill area.<br /><br />Big panic and gentle movements to get it off did nothing. I finally had to get visegrips and slowly increase the pressure on the outside of the pot until it just cracked and fell off. She swam away and is doing fine this evening. No sign of the bloody spot but I put some melafix in just to help with the possible bacteria (??). She's eating with the others now.<br /><br />Feel really stupid for not seeing that coming <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /> Hope this helps save some little fish somewhere.<br /><br />No more little round fish-hold traps of any kind!]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: plant pot death trap for cory -eek! :: Reply by DJ-don</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[aww : i hope the little fella survives <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br /><br />speaking of death traps, i have had the same problem with thin val rooots!! i dont know how but one of my albino bn's got caught in it once and died <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" />]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: plant pot death trap for cory -eek! :: Reply by Birger</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Also have to watch out on uplift tubes, they force themselves past the air hose and can't back out.<br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia0 -->Ancistrus claro 129.jpg<!-- ia0 --></div>]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: plant pot death trap for cory -eek! :: Reply by Myric</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I came very close to loose a large female botia loachata that got itself stuck in the drainage hole of a clay pot. The only reason I saved it is that she made quite a racket trying to get out of there.]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: plant pot death trap for cory -eek! :: Reply by DJ-don</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Birger wrote:</cite>Also have to watch out on uplift tubes, they force themselves past the air hose and can't back out.<br /></div></blockquote><br />oh god poor fish :/ my bn fry do this all the time but something like that has never happened]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: plant pot death trap for cory -eek! :: Reply by Viktor Jarikov</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>L number Banana wrote:</cite>I finally had to get visegrips and slowly increase the pressure on the outside of the pot until it just cracked and fell off. </div></blockquote><br /><br />could you also simply cut the tube and slide it out of the pot?<blockquote><div><cite>Myric wrote:</cite>I came very close to loose a large female botia loachata that got itself stuck in the drainage hole of a clay pot. The only reason I saved it is that she made quite a racket trying to get out of there.</div></blockquote><br /><br />in the middle of the night, my jardini arowana decided to slither into the AquaClear 110 hang-on and started flapping inside in 0.2&quot; of water on top of the ceramic rings making quite a rattle.  Good thing the cover fits so snugly that it did not come off right away so she rattled long enough for me to wake up and come downstairs for a look-see.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 14:55:21 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: plant pot death trap for cory -eek! :: Reply by L number Banana</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Victor Jarikov wrote:<br />    <blockquote class="uncited"><div><blockquote class="uncited"><div>L number Banana wrote:I finally had to get visegrips and slowly increase the pressure on the outside of the pot until it just cracked and fell off.</div></blockquote> <br /><br /><br /><br />could you also simply cut the tube and slide it out of the pot?</div></blockquote><br /><br />I tried that first but it made too much pressure and the cory would look like she was going to burst if I pulled it out either way  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" />  The visegrips worked well because it can be tightened just a tiny tiny bit until the pressure on the pot cracked it without actually squeezing the fish. Don't know what I would have done if the pot was plastic.<br /><br />She's doing fine, like nothing ever happened. I think I must have found her just in time.<br /><br />I still haven't found a good substitute for weights for my air lines. I was thinking I could fill the holes with silicon  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /> Don't want to use lead weights. Any ideas?]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:01:29 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[good job!  good thinking on your legs!<br /><br />nothing beyond my naive methods involving <br />--  suction cups (but not the ones with ridgid snap-in holders - these too sharp - but the ones used for thermometers with a hole in the stem of the cup)<br />--  twist plastic-clad wire and small natural rocks<br />--  aluminum weights (cubed slugs really)  in which I drilled holes]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:06:41 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Shane's World layout :: Author Shane</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[The current layout is based on some ideas Jools and I threw out at each other earlier this year (actually more his ideas as he knows a lot more about this stuff than I do).  What do people think?  Is it more user friendly?<br />-Shane]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Shane's World layout :: Reply by L number Banana</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think it looks good and is easy to understand. It's less intimidating for new people because there's less info showing but the link to get more articles is still very clear.<br /><br /> I still advocate putting the very basics together somewhere for beginners. A &quot;New to Catfish?&quot; bubble at the top that has only the basic articles and a linkback.<br /><br />And I found MatsP's new article, thank you.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:31:42 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Shane's World layout :: Reply by Jools</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think it makes it easier to miss things, however, the supporting search and front page/RSS highlighting of new articles should assist. Overall it's an improvement, although it took Shane highlighting the issue to me to conclude that.<br /><br />I have to say I'm about 80% happy with it. However, I've not put enough thought into the remaining 20%. ANYONEs feedback would be welcome although I fear the person we're trying to reach is the new user or that which doesn't use the forum.<br /><br />One thing I thought of was putting articles on the front page randomly from time to time.<br /><br />Jools]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Shane's World layout :: Reply by andywoolloo</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I have a hard time navigating it now, but i think just cause it's new and different, i will figure it out.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 05:24:47 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Shane's World layout :: Reply by CanadaPleco</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I also have a hard time finding some older articles that I know I have read before. But I do think it is a lot easier for newbies to look through and not get scared.  Like Jools I have not spent enough time using it to suggest any changes however to improve it <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" />  Will try to spend some time in there this week.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:56:29 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Ancistrus caught behind background! :: Author Hansen</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi,<br />I have an BTN amazonas background in my tank. Somehow my male ancistrus ca. 2.5 inches long has been caught behind it - I don't know how, there's no passage between the front and back except for the hole for water to be able to circulate through the filter etc., and there's a net in front of it. Either it has jumped(!)at least 1 inch up and 2 across, or I must have messed up while cleaning/making water change ( <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_ignore.gif" alt=":-X" title="Ignoring you!" /> ). I can get a hose 1 inch wide behind the background to clean the bottom now and then. I have cut a 10 inch long piece of the hose, and blinded it at the one end with a string attached, and lowered it (with a food pellet inside) to the buttom to trap it, but without luck. Does anybody have a bright idea as to how I can free it? i can't get to it with a net - too tight between the tank's backside and the background?]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:17:06 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Ancistrus caught behind background! :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Sounds like a difficult thing. If you can get a piece of hose/pipe in there and a lot of light (so that the fish thinks the hiding space is better than being out in the open). <br /><br />Otherwise, I suppose the only option is to get the backing out of there...<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:28:52 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Ancistrus caught behind background! :: Reply by andywoolloo</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[i'm with Mats, rip the backing off. scary. <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:49:10 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Ancistrus caught behind background! :: Reply by L number Banana</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Scary is right, don't know if the emergency is over or not but maybe you could try sliding something long and flat down in behind from one end, along the bottom, 'scooping' up your fish in the process, all the way to the other end and one the fish is in the middle, slowly raise it from both ends?<br /><br />My brain is picturing something like one of the flexible slats from those old window blinds, or a drywall taper's edge strip, long, skinny and flexible?<br /><br />Good luck!<br /><br />He might go into a piece of black PVC pipe with Mat's Flashlight idea too.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 06:33:36 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Ancistrus caught behind background! :: Reply by Hansen</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi,<br />Thanks for your thoughts on how to solve the problem. There's room enough for him to do OK for a while, but not room enough to get to him with a net - also, since the background is 3D there's unfortunately plenty of &quot;caves&quot; at the bottom I have no chance to get to, so I don't think the &quot;scooping&quot; idea will work. I'll try to get him into the pipe with the flashlight and the food in there....Otherwise, I'll have to remove the background which will be very difficult to do.<br />Thanks for your replies!<br />Hans]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 06:42:07 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: US Catfish Convention :: Reply by PlecoCrazy</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I'm finally registered and going.  It'll be one of the highlights of my year.  Can't wait!]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 14:00:16 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: US Catfish Convention :: Reply by corybreed</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I have attended all three conventions and do not want to break the chain. I can't wait to see everyone.<br /><br />Mark Soberman]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 23:00:35 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: US Catfish Convention :: Reply by Birger</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I am all booked, even going a couple days early just for fun and to do some exploring...any &quot;must see&quot; places in the area?<br /><br />Birger]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Birger)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 23:19:39 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: US Catfish Convention :: Reply by corybreed</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Birger<br /><br />I will be there on Thursday morning and Staying until Monday. We can visit some shops on Thursday if you like.<br /><br />Mark]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 23:25:49 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: US Catfish Convention :: Reply by Birger</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks Mark<br /><br />PM sent]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Birger)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 02:14:17 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: US Catfish Convention :: Reply by PlecoCrazy</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[There are field trips on Friday and one of them is shop hop thing.<br /><br />From the pvas web site.<br /><br /><br />Field Trip 2: Local Fish Store Shopping Spree, $40<br /><br />PVAS president, Sherry Mitchell led this trip back in 2008 when she was just the club's &quot;cake lady&quot; and a good time was had by all. The long bus trip was fun with a quiz by &quot;teacher Sherry,&quot; games, crazy prizes, and snacks. This year Sherry and the gang will head back to Discus Hans to get a look at his expanded operation. All discus lovers should come ready to buy! Participants will also trek to Exotic Aquatics and House of Tropicals up near Baltimore for shopping, shopping, and more shopping! Lunch is on your own during one of our stops. Book early as this trip always sells out quickly!]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:54:08 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: US Catfish Convention :: Reply by Birger</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>There are field trips on Friday and one of them is shop hop thing.</div></blockquote><br />I am sure it will be fun but I am not missing the collecting trip this time, always nice to get out and muck about, especially when back home here things will be icing up already at that time.<br /><br />Birger]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:25:15 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: A lession learned :: Author crkinney</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Yesterday I read about Glass cats on this site. Neet fish.<br />While doing my husbanly duty and letting the wife wander very expensive stores, I went into the pet store.To my amazement they had 4 glass catfish. Only 4$ each so they came home with me.For two hours they floated in the tank until the temp equalized . The moment of realse came ,I made a cup of coffee and lit my pipe ,opened the bag and let them go.Before I sat down to watch two were dead one other was wounded ,I got him out but not in time [croak] the last one ran for it's life illuding me and his attackers ,Dam [croak] they got him .<br />The KILLERS were pot gut minnows[ mosquito fish] there are 15 in my tank. They have always been good tank mate to any thing . Who would have thunk that those cut little guys with their big belly were so aggressive.<br />Next time the newbe will have TEETH.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:47:16 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: A lession learned :: Reply by naturalart</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hello crkinney, sorry to hear about your loss. But don't be so quick to blame the minnows as the only culprit. Keeping any fish in a bag for 2 hours can be hazardous to the most hardiest of denizens. And glass cats aren't exactly bullit proof by any stretch of the imagination. The build up of ammonia over 2 hours could have put them in enough of a stupor that when the bag was opened, with ph, dissolved oxygen changes, etc., most of the cats were too dizzy to defend (take flight) themselves. And the ravenous gambusia, primed and triggered by ammonia/? went into a skin peeling frenzy.<br /><br />Long-winded theoretical explanation for a simply harrowing experience. Again, sorry for your loss.<br /><br />PS. The image of a group of shy and non-competitive glass cats hovering below a storm cloud of fast aggressive gambusia is hard to concieve of as the best combination. I would think getting enough food to the cats would be problematic at best.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:35:21 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: A lession learned :: Reply by andywoolloo</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I am sorry that happenned. I ve always wanted to try those fish. <br /><br />i try to get my fish out of the bag as soon as possible, soon as i get home i have them and the bag water in a fish bucket with a screen top lid and start slowly dripping tank water in. <br /><br />i m always afraid to keep them in the bags very long, even tho i realize they do ship in bags and what not.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:54:35 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: A lession learned :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I would definitely never keep fish longer in the bag than is necessary. I'm also aware that some shops do not have a huge experience in packing fish for long &quot;stay&quot;. If you plan on keeping the fish in the bag for a long time (more than a couple of hours total time), then tell the shop, and they will help to pack the fish in a better way - bigger bag, a bit more water, more air, and/or fewer fish in the bag. <br /><br />It doesn't take long to get the temperature equal between the bag and the tank - about 5-10 minutes unless there is a HUGE difference (and if there is a big difference, you probably want to make other arrangements to slowly establish the new temperature). Once the temperature is settled, you can start adding water from the tank - slowly, especially in the first few portions. The more of the tank water you have in the bag, the more like the tank it is, so you can add a bit more tank whater each time. Wait at least a couple of minutes between each portion of water. <br /><br />But correctly packed, fish can last several hours in a bag with no problem, and when the fish are shipped from South America, Africa or Asia, they often sit in a bag for over 24 hours - even more at times. Of course, that's packed appropriately! A good exporter will do that right.<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: A lession learned :: Reply by crkinney</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks guys .I guess I messed up.<br />I am slowly learning this stuff .and are slowly adding some cats.]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Meet my new turtle :: Author L number Banana</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Okay, he's not really mine but I found him in my pond tonight. He looks pretty young and I've seen the big Momma that looks like a prehistoric beastie. I think it's Momma anyway because I think he's a snapping turtle. Look how long his tail is in the belly shot - very cool and very bumpy back edge. <br /><br />He had a lot of mud stuck to him so I think he may have recently emerged from a hole somewhere - I rubbed the mud on the back but it was really caked on and would only come off if I used my nail. I usually see Eastern Painted Turtles this tiny and their hatching occurs about June 18th so this little guy has me stumped. I hope he forgets this pond when he get older - the goldfish would make a nice lunch!<br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia1 -->bbturtleSept.jpg<!-- ia1 --></div><br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia0 -->bbturtleTail.jpg<!-- ia0 --></div>]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 06:51:10 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Meet my new turtle :: Reply by sidguppy</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[looks like an Alligator Snapping Turtle (Macrochelys temminckii)<br /><br />if it is one, it's gonna be a real brute and quite dangerous as well<br /><br />these are not protected by law? you can catch them just like that?]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:08:42 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Meet my new turtle :: Reply by Silurus</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think it's more likely a common snapping turtle (<span style="font-style: italic">Chelydra serpentina</span>) than <span style="font-style: italic">Macrochelys</span>, since you don't get <span style="font-style: italic">Macrochelys</span> that far north.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:15:41 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Meet my new turtle :: Reply by Birger</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[That is a cute little visitor to your pond...I agree , better now than when grown up.<br /><br />Birger]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Meet my new turtle :: Reply by Carp37</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Great find- all my pond's produced this year is a single frog, and lots of mosquitoes/midges!]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:30:51 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: Meet my new turtle :: Reply by L number Banana</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Sidguppy wrote:<br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>looks like an Alligator Snapping Turtle (Macrochelys temminckii)<br /><br />if it is one, it's gonna be a real brute and quite dangerous as well<br /><br />these are not protected by law? you can catch them just like that?</div></blockquote><br /><br />Hi Sidguppy,<br />I think Silurus has the right turtle. This little fellow was easy to catch - it was sitting on the edge of my pond when I went out to feed the fish. I put him back after I took the pics. There's a swampy/stream behind my house that hits a large river system on either end so he will be fine. The mother lives somewhere in that stream, I've only seen her a few times and yes she is HUGE and would be nasty if you got near her. She has the same spiky carapice (?) except that she also has large bumps/spikes on the very back part extending in a line from the top. Never got any pictures, just stood and watched her. In awe.  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /> <br /><br />I'm going to scoop the pond bottom out before freeze up and if there's any turtles, I'll walk them back to the stream, it's only 100 metres farther down the hill. I once had the pond freeze over and kill off a bunch of frogs. That won't be happening again, not to turtles either. It was pretty heartbreaking.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:57:43 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: upcoming Uk &amp; Ireland trip :: Reply by sojapat</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hey Sid , where are the pics of the best fish from India  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:17:09 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: upcoming Uk &amp; Ireland trip :: Reply by grokefish</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>racoll wrote:</cite>Sounds like you had a great holiday.  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> <br /><br />It's easy to forget how much fun can be had &quot;close to home&quot;.</div></blockquote><br /><br /><br />Getting homesick dude?]]></description>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: CSG Convention 2011 :: Reply by Coryman</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi All,<br /><br />CSG convention 2011 booking forms are now on line at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.catfishstudygroup.org/core/convention_2009.htm">http://www.catfishstudygroup.org/core/c ... n_2009.htm</a><!-- m --><br />For those that are taking the full package, or those that may be not able to make it for the whole weekend, but would like to join us for either the Friday or Saturday evening dinners, a copy of the menus are also available to down load.<br /><br />Please make sure that each person wishing to attend submits a booking form.<br /><br />Any questions just give me a shout.<br /><br />Ian<br /><br />CSG President &amp;<br />Convention manager]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:16:09 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: CSG Convention 2011 :: Reply by Jools</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Dr. Michael Goulding is something of a must see. Do you have titles or subjects for the speakers talks yet?<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Jools]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:23:30 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: CSG Convention 2011 :: Reply by Coryman</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[As yet I have not finalised the programme schedule, but both Dr Michael Goulding and Dr Devon Graham will be talking on both days.<br /><br />In two weeks we will be having our annual Open Show and after that I will be concentrating on finalising the convention programme.<br /><br />Ian<br />CSG President &amp;<br />Convention manager]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:29:36 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: CSG Convention 2011 :: Reply by Jools</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[OK, look forward to that. Good luck with the show.<br /><br />Jools]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:02:27 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: CSG Convention 2011 :: Reply by MattP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Coryman wrote:</cite><br />In two weeks we will be having our annual Open Show and after that I will be concentrating on finalising the convention programme.<br /><br />Ian<br />CSG President &amp;<br />Convention manager</div></blockquote><br /><br />I dont live far from the open show venue and am considering attending. Sounds very interesting. The missus thinks I'm getting a bit obsessed with our catfish friends and it probably won't help if I go!! But what the hell!!! <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:51:21 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Speak Easy :: Re: CSG Convention 2011 :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Judging by the past two years I've been to the convention, it is a really great thing. And you can probably return to your wife clearly stating that compared to some others, you are not that extreme in your catfish-nuttynes - but that might be like telling your wife after having drunk the bar dry that you aren't quite as bad as the proper alcoholics.... <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:16:33 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[No takers? Happy to drop them to £45 if anybody is interested?]]></description>
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            <title>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI) :: Re: Leporacanthicus galaxias FULL GROWN ADULT FEMALE! :: Reply by ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[No takers? Offers are welcome!  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (whiteymoza)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Well, I'm to far away to do anything about that... but do you know what species this is? L29, L007, L241<br />Is she from Brasil or Venesuela?<br /><br />Cristoffer]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Cristoffer Forssander)</author>
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            <title>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI) :: 3 x Pim Pictus - Newcastle :: Author kevin82</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I have my 3 Pim Pictus for sale. They are only 6 months old and around 3 inches long. They are in A1 condition and am looking for £20 for them, I originally paid £30 from Fish Alive, Durham<br /><br />They are very lively and nice and dark (which I'm told means they are happy)<br /><br />I would swap, what have you got?<br /><br />Collection from blaydon area NE21]]></description>
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            <title>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI) :: PLEC FOR SWAP :: Author JoePlec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Unable to id this fish over the past week, so if anyone thinks they have one and would like him/her to pair with theirs, i will do a swap for L66 if anyone wants too.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (JoePlec)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 19:17:10 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI) :: WANTED - L199 &amp; L168 plecos- East Midlands :: Author ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[WANTED L199 Hypancistrus furunculus &amp;<br />       L168 Female Dekeyseria brachyura (may consider L052s)<br /><br />They will join potential breeding groups in species tanks<br /><br />I can collect in or near the East Midlands<br /><br />Thanks Theresa]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (ColumbianChocolate)</author>
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            <title>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI) :: L066 For Sale :: Author Des!</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=30854&amp;p=199940#p199940</link>
            <description><![CDATA[Group of 8/9 L066 for sale<br /><br />£60 per fish<br /><br />[attachment=0]L66 Pair.JPG[/atta<br /><br />Need to go ASAP - Open to reasonable offers.<br /><br />Collection prefered from Birmingham. Shipping can be arranged at Buyers cost &amp; Risk - Fish will be well packed or local delivery maybe considered for fuel cost.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Des!)</author>
            <category>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI)</category>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 08:28:11 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI) :: Re: L066 For Sale :: Reply by JoePlec</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=30854&amp;p=200032#p200032</link>
            <description><![CDATA[My feeling is that the price is too high for any kind of quick sale.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (JoePlec)</author>
            <category>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI)</category>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 07:20:46 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI) :: Re: L066 For Sale :: Reply by Des!</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>JoePlec wrote:</cite>My feeling is that the price is too high for any kind of quick sale.</div></blockquote><br /><br />That's why I put Open to reasonable offers!  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Des!)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:54:13 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI) :: CAVES :: Author JoePlec</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=30866&amp;p=200079#p200079</link>
            <description><![CDATA[Here is my first attempt... what you think folks?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (JoePlec)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:31:45 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI) :: Re: CAVES :: Reply by MatsP</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=30866&amp;p=200082#p200082</link>
            <description><![CDATA[Looks similar to my attempts. I would probably try to sand/grind the sharp edges that appear to be on the lower front (missing corner) bit. <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (MatsP)</author>
            <category>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI)</category>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:48:23 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Its not sharp whatsoever.. i picked that bit cos of the corner missing. haha]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:58:10 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI) :: Re: CAVES :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[And how much are you selling them for? Or are you (again) posting in the For Sale section for no particular reason? <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (MatsP)</author>
            <category>For Sale (UK &amp; ROI)</category>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:18:48 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>For Sale (USA &amp; Canada) :: Posters! :: Author tomsfish</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&amp;t=30834&amp;p=199727#p199727</link>
            <description><![CDATA[$12US each poster plus shipping fees. Message me for more details.<br /><br />The posters are 80cm by 60cm.<br /><br />Currently have limited numbers available of the following:<br /><br />pl*co I<br />Corydoras I<br />Corydoras II<br /><br /><img src="http://aquaticlovers.com/gallery/var/albums/pleco1.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://aquaticlovers.com/gallery/var/albums/corys%201.jpg" alt="Image" /><br /><br /><img src="http://aquaticlovers.com/gallery/var/albums/corys%202.jpg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (tomsfish)</author>
            <category>For Sale (USA &amp; Canada)</category>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 05:20:27 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>For Sale (USA &amp; Canada) :: Re: Posters! :: Reply by Marc van Arc</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&amp;t=30834&amp;p=199730#p199730</link>
            <description><![CDATA[I've deleted your other post as double posting is not allowed.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Marc van Arc)</author>
            <category>For Sale (USA &amp; Canada)</category>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 08:27:21 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>For Sale (Australia) :: Re: FS: &quot;dotspiral&quot; vegies sinker screw :: Reply by calicocat</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&amp;t=28597&amp;p=199950#p199950</link>
            <description><![CDATA[Hi,<br />Do you have any left? If so, how many and what sort of payment do you accept?<br />                                               Thanks, calicocat <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (calicocat)</author>
            <category>For Sale (Australia)</category>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 10:14:05 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Tank Talk :: Re: Tips and Tricks :: Reply by snowball</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Always rise out all maintenance equipment with tap water when you are finished - hoses, buckets, nets, etc. This prevents mould building up inside the hoses (visible as dark patches) and eliminates the musty / fish tank odour, not to mention reducing the chance of cross contamination between tanks (be it algae spores or disease).<br /><br /><br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>Shane wrote:</cite>Cyanobacteria<br />...<br /><br /> I also noticed that the cyanobacteria was about 80% gone.  This should not have been a surprise as Melafix is an antibacterial, but truth be told, it had never occurred to me to use Melafix to rid a tank of cyanobacteria.  If you are battling blue-green algae, give Melafix a try.  It is certainly less &quot;harsh&quot; than many of the medications and antibiotics recommended for getting rid of cyanobacteria.<br />-Shane</div></blockquote><br /><br />Have you been able to repeat this or can anyone corroborate this? It seems such a smart way to deal with it and much easier than trying to change the nitrate / phosphate levels with raw chemicals that the planted tank brigade seem so obsessed with doing, but I have no affected tanks to test the theory on.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 04:29:57 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Tank Talk :: Re: Tips and Tricks :: Reply by 2wheelsx2</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;t=30211&amp;p=199817#p199817</link>
            <description><![CDATA[A 3 day total black out is the best way to battle BGA without chemicals.  Totally covered, no feeding, no water changes.  Works every time.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 04:46:40 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Tank Talk :: Re: Tips and Tricks :: Reply by Shane</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>Have you been able to repeat this or can anyone corroborate this?</div></blockquote><br /><br />Yes, several times.  It will not get rid of every single bit, but will wipe out the vast majority.  Also keep in mind that it is not curing the &quot;why&quot; for the bacteria, which will need to be investigated.<br />-Shane]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Shane)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 05:03:04 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Tank Talk :: Preparing For Sudden Construction :: Author bronzefry</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;t=30831&amp;p=199706#p199706</link>
            <description><![CDATA[We will be having heavy digging/construction outside our house on Tuesday. It'll be on the septic system and the fish tanks are near the exterior walls. This is about 10-20 feet from the digging. Has anybody dealt with vibrations from heavy equipment, i.e. front-end loaders and the like near their tanks? Any experience/preparations would be valued.<br />Thanks,<br />Amanda]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (bronzefry)</author>
            <category>Tank Talk</category>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:21:59 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Tank Talk :: Re: Preparing For Sudden Construction :: Reply by MatsP</title>
            <link>http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;t=30831&amp;p=199707#p199707</link>
            <description><![CDATA[We did have a digger digging up the ground when I was younger, and I had my 160 liter (40 gal) tank at the time. It may have been a bit more than 10 feet away, but surely no more than 20. <br /><br />I would have thought that it's not a big problem unless either:<br />1. the ground is really solid (rock) and the digger is somehow trying to dig into that.<br />2. you are actually doing something to the house itself (or have a digger collide with the house). <br />3. the foundations of the house are really poor. <br /><br />Sure, the fish may not appreciate the vibration, but I wouldn't have thought it's a problem for the tanks themselves. <br /><br />Obviously, if there will be A LOT of dust and stuff, you may want to keep the windows and doors closed, etc, etc. But you'd want that anyways to avoid having to clean the house... <br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:37:10 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Tank Talk :: Re: Preparing For Sudden Construction :: Reply by Birger</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I do not think it will be a problem Amanda, should just be using a back hoe, maybe a truck or two moving around...unless you are sitting on bedrock like some places here and then the chiseling from these machines are really irritating or unless there is a bad operator who backs through your wall <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />  <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> but really most of these operators are quite good.<br /><br />Birger]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:15:04 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Tank Talk :: Re: Preparing For Sudden Construction :: Reply by bronzefry</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks guys. We need the pipe from the house to the septic system replaced(no sewer system-quite old fashioned). No fun waking up at night to a few inches of water beneath your feet. Who knows what was in that water. And you think cleaning fish tanks are fun... <img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" />   <br />Amanda]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 13:16:04 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Tank Talk :: Re: Preparing For Sudden Construction :: Reply by MatsP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[racoll just reported back on facebook that his 8 tanks survived the 7.4 earthquake - compared to that, I'm sure that a bit of digging in the garden is pretty mild. racoll is fine too!<br /><br />--<br />Mats]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (MatsP)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 13:45:17 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Tank Talk :: Re: Preparing For Sudden Construction :: Reply by snowball</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[If you are worried about stress on large tanks then perhaps dropping the water level to half would reduce risks, but unless there is a pile driver in operation I wouldn't be too concerned. The glass and silicon joins are flexible enough to take up most vibrations.<br /><br />I would be more concerned about the fish being stressed and possibly bashing themselves in the corners or trying to jump out, but even then I think they will handle it. Perhaps leave the lights off to help settle them.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (snowball)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 04:41:30 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Tank Talk :: Re: Preparing For Sudden Construction :: Reply by bronzefry</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<img src="http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /> I'm really glad Racoll is okay! That is a very good example of what tanks and people can tolerate(and what good buil