Parotocinclus sp. Nanay Eanea

[James0816, posts: 429]

Great info indeed. In my research, I found somewhere that it was mentioned to keep the water crystal clear. I'm wondering now if that was to encourage better aglae growth. I'll try to dig that up again. I believe I originally found it on a German forum.

The Nanno's and Paro's are two different species. It's also mentioned to keep the Paro's in the same conditions as the Nanno's. If it's blackwater, that is soooo much better for all parties. I love the look of tannins and provides a more natural element.

Seems the common ground I found on both species where the higher temps (around 80), lower pH ( < 7) and lots of O2. It almost reminds me of a Hillstream environment except the higher temps. Wonder how well they would do in the same tanks?

[The.Dark.One, posts: 1438]

Nannoptopoma is no longer a valid genus. All Nannoptopoma belong in Hypoptopoma. The clog will be changed at some point. The fish in this thread are not Hypoptopoma or Parotocinclus IMO, they probably belong to an undescribed genus.

[James0816, posts: 429]

Nannoptopoma is no longer a valid genus. All Nannoptopoma belong in Hypoptopoma. The clog will be changed at some point. The fish in this thread are not Hypoptopoma or Parotocinclus IMO, they probably belong to an undescribed genus.

Curious....why do you mention that these fishies are not Parotocinclus?

[Acanthicus, posts: 439]

The fish in this thread are not Hypoptopoma or Parotocinclus IMO, they probably belong to an undescribed genus.

Like I already said:

There is somebody who is working on the description of a new genus for the Parotocinclus longirostris - group. Means: P. eppleyi, P. aripuanensis, P. britskii, some undescribed species and P. longirostris itself of course.

It´s obvious that these fish are no Parotocinclus sensu stricto and belong to antother genus.

[bsmith, posts: 307]

Does anyone feel that a tank kept at 74-76 would pose a risk to this fish?

[apistomaster, posts: 4570]

I recommend a range between 76*F and 82*F.

[bsmith, posts: 307]

I just retread all the message from Anubis designs yahoo group and Mark (the importer/seller) has been keeping them in the low to mid 70's with no losses at all. Seems better the lower the temp can be for o2 reasons.

[bsmith, posts: 307]

Larry I think I was constructing my post as you submitted yours. Just didn't want you to think I Was trying to dispute your post.

The tank I have is the temp of my office building which in the summer the tank is right around 80 and in the winter/now 74-76.

[James0816, posts: 429]

I would recommend 76 as the low end as well. Not sure what impact lower temps would have on them.

All the renaming and reclassing can get so confusing at times. I just recently read that one of the shrimp species I've been working with was renamed as well.

Well, until a new class is released, I will still consider these guys as Parotcinclus sp. 'Peru'. And if they are any thing like Nannoptopoma sp. 'Peru' (or whatever their new name will be), it will be a nice tank.

And while I was driving to the post office today, I got to thinking about the clear water requirement. I may have confused that with the Stiphodon's. I've been doing a ton of research on them of late as well. My river tank was originally set up for them and then the Nanno's finally showed up and now the Paro's.

Now all I have to do is track down Otocinclus Flexilis and Mimulus and my list will be complete.

[The.Dark.One, posts: 1438]

The fish in this thread are not Hypoptopoma or Parotocinclus IMO, they probably belong to an undescribed genus.

Like I already said:

There is somebody who is working on the description of a new genus for the Parotocinclus longirostris - group. Means: P. eppleyi, P. aripuanensis, P. britskii, some undescribed species and P. longirostris itself of course.

It´s obvious that these fish are no Parotocinclus sensu stricto and belong to antother genus.

I was replying to the post by apistomaster.

And I too had already said - on 11 January 2012

[apistomaster, posts: 4570]

These little guys do look like they belong in their own genus to me.
I used warmer water but I am sure they would be fine in water between 74 and 84*F as long as they have strong currents and high dissolved O2 levels.
Mine were being kept with Black Darter Tetra and the Tetras seemed to like warmer water so I went with that.
Actually, during the summer I have little choice. It is hot here and I did not have a working air conditioner.
It gets about 103 and up to 116*F here for a week or two. Rarely less than 100*F during most of the summer.

[James0816, posts: 429]

Found my documents! Yay! (I've got to organize my research better).

As for the water, tannins are ok for both the Nanno and Paro species. I did get them mixed up with the Stiphodon percnopterygionus which require very clear water. Since they were all going in the same tank, that's where I crossed my notes at.

[apistomaster, posts: 4570]

I forgot to mention that I knew in advance I was going to be getting 20 of these neat little guys. I allowed their future home, a 20 long with a carpet of Java moss attached to wood, to accumulate a good growth of algae which also covered the glass. Within 48 hours after their arrival they had eaten ALL of the algae. Then all I had for them that they ate well was Spirulina Sticks. They thrived for me on this diet for two years until the mechanical failure of the power head.
These little Loricariidae love a strong current. Mine would gather in front of the power head outlet where the currents blasted the substrate off the bottom glass. They would hang on to the bare glass with their sucker mouths swaying in the strong current. I use Maxi Jet 600 power heads connected directly to Azoo OxygenPlus Bio-Filter model #6 by using the extension tube that comes with the power head. This fits perfectly on the sponge filter where the air lift tube normally goes. I usually lay my assembled filters over on their sides so the currents flow across the bottom and it allows me to make large water changes without having to unplug the power heads.
Everyone of all my tanks between 20 longs and 40 breeders have one of these powered sponge filters, one other running in the air lift mode plus one air stone for good measure. Sometimes I leave out the air stone and run air into the Venturi attachment of the power head to get my bubbles that way.

I had that power head failure which cost me all of my little P.cf eppelyi or whatever these really are and I would like to replace them.
If you still know where I could get some please share. Please PM me or post here.
I would love to breed any one of these species of micro sucker mouth cats.
Does anyone know of a credible breeding report?

[bsmith, posts: 307]

Larry just search for anubisdesign yahoo group, you can order from there.

[apistomaster, posts: 4570]

Bummer.
I'm on Mark's s**t list.
My expectations for high quality and live arrival seem to be in conflict with his standards.
He will not sell to me because of this.
Thanks anyway.
I can get them from http://www.thewetspottropicalfish.com/fish without any quality and live arrival problems.
It requires being patient enough for them to restock.

[bsmith, posts: 307]

That doesnt sound good. I hope my dealings this go around are more productive then yours were.

[James0816, posts: 429]

I haven't had any issues with Mark's stock. I did however, have a bad experience with The Wet Spot unfortunately. My first group of Nanno's came from them and they never made it past acclimation. Was very dissappointed. I got the group in from Mark, and they all did splendid. Which is why I ordered more. Just have to wait a couple more weeks. Actually, this weekend they should be in.

Found all my little Paro's today. Still active as can be. A majority are hanging out in the stream of the powerhead.

[apistomaster, posts: 4570]

I think it is a good idea to buy from on line dealers who are closer to your location. That seems to help minimize the problems.
This group of tiny catfish are pretty delicate fish and the dealers/importers loose quite a few themselves.
Other fish are so hardy that distance doesn't matter much.
Over half of all the fish I ordered arrived DOA. Silver hatchets and Green Neon tetras were among those which had the highest DOA numbers in my order.
I actually was banned after a prior order but used a different name and e-mail address the next time several years later.
So I have been banned twice.
No other dealer I have bought from has ever taken this action.

[bsmith, posts: 307]

That really is not good. I have had my fair share of DOA's when receiving fish and 90% of the time the shipper has been great, as I followed all the procedures but I have had a few instances where the seller was completely in the wrong and did not follow their end of the deal. Its unfortunate.

Mark did ensure me thought that he hasn't lost a single one (maybe smoke but I have no way of telling 100%).

[apistomaster, posts: 4570]

All I know is that I ship out hundreds of fish every year and my loss rate is less than 1%.
Most people I buy from have similarly low shipping losses so anything different stands out to me.
Everyone says their fish were fine when they packed them.
The shady ones always are quick to try to plant doubts in your mind that the losses must be caused by something you didn't do right.
How they can say that when all you have done is open their boxes and find a bunch of fish DOA is beyond me.
I am talking about over night delivery in good weather so there are no extenuating circumstances.