Which Whiptail Is This?

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Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by Dragonrat » Mon May 08, 2017 8:58 am

I've been given a Whiptail as a present by a well-meaning family member, but it's not what he thought he'd bought. Can anyone ID definitively, please?
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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by Jools » Mon May 08, 2017 9:52 am


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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by kamas88 » Tue May 09, 2017 9:09 pm

Hi,
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Hemiloricaria sp`amazonia`?
I'm quite sure that it's not.
But with these pictures it's close to impossible to ID.

Do you have a picture that shows it completely and from the side ?

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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by Dragonrat » Wed May 10, 2017 9:47 pm

kamas88 wrote:
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Do you have a picture that shows it completely and from the side ?

Not yet, but I'm working on it. It's not being particularly cooperative.

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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by Dragonrat » Thu May 18, 2017 12:15 pm

Not brilliant, but these are the best I've managed with it so far.
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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by Fundulopanchax76 » Fri May 19, 2017 3:09 pm

What is he eating ?

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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by kamas88 » Fri May 19, 2017 6:47 pm

Hi,

this is certainly no Hemiloricaria sp. "Amazonia".
The pattern of the fins and snout shape is quite different.

I rather see similarities to Hemiloricaria eigenmanni, but I'm far from being sure...

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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by medaka » Fri May 19, 2017 7:10 pm

I used to be indecisive but now I am not quite sure.

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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by Dragonrat » Sun May 21, 2017 2:54 pm

Fundulopanchax76 wrote:
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What is he eating ?
Sweet potato

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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by Dragonrat » Tue May 23, 2017 12:11 pm

Both slightly out of focus, but from the side.
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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by kamas88 » Thu May 25, 2017 3:21 pm

Hi,
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Maybe? Hemiloricaria castroi
the pattern would indeed match well with the species description of H. castroi.
However, the snout should be more acute in that species.

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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by Dragonrat » Thu May 25, 2017 3:45 pm

kamas88 wrote:
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Hi,
medaka wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 7:10 pm
Maybe? Hemiloricaria castroi
the pattern would indeed match well with the species description of H. castroi.
However, the snout should be more acute in that species.

Cheers,

Do they hybridise?

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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by medaka » Sun May 28, 2017 12:03 pm

kamas88 wrote:
Thu May 25, 2017 3:21 pm
Hi,
medaka wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 7:10 pm
Maybe? Hemiloricaria castroi
the pattern would indeed match well with the species description of H. castroi.
However, the snout should be more acute in that species.

Cheers,
Hi Karsten

What about sexual dymorphism, as in the shape of the snout?
I used to be indecisive but now I am not quite sure.

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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by kamas88 » Sun May 28, 2017 3:51 pm

Hi,
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Sun May 28, 2017 12:03 pm
What about sexual dymorphism, as in the shape of the snout?
good point.
Even though not explicitly mentioned it looks like the holotype is a female (SL 16 cm) and only this one specimen was used. The whiptail of the OP is clearly a male.
In some species females have longer or more acute snouts or at least the cheek odontodes of males make/intensity this impression.

Possibly you are right and it's H. castroi.
Here you can find some good pictures of the holotype.

I'm not really sure but it would not surprise me if different species of whiptails would hybridise.
I never keep more than one species of them per tank.

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Re: Which Whiptail Is This?

Post by Dragonrat » Sun May 28, 2017 4:47 pm

I have no idea if this last photo helps in any way, but I managed to get one from underneath, too.
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