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Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 10 Dec 2009, 17:35
by Haavard Stoere
I have just received a pair of from a dear friend. He kindly let me borrow them for some time to attempt breeding them.
Both sexes are 100% established. The male measures 21cm tl and the female is 19cm tl. The male has odontodes around the caudal peduncle.

Yesterday I put them together in a 200 liter tank measuring 100x50x40cm with sand, rocks and a single very large slate cave. Today they share the cave, and definetely seems to show breeding behaviour. This is very exiting.

This is the female... I will try to make some photographs of the pair inside the cave later this evening.
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Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 10 Dec 2009, 17:46
by Richard B
Sounds promising, so keep us posted - best of luck :thumbsup:

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 10 Dec 2009, 17:52
by husky_jim
Keep us updated Haavard!They are very beautiful fish!

Good luck! :foggie:

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 10 Dec 2009, 18:59
by Haavard Stoere
It is lookink very promising :D Pair in cave:
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Breeding tank:
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Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 10 Dec 2009, 19:16
by hotchiliz
Haavard, i am getting excited for you too.
Hope to hear some good news from you.

Mingxin

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 10 Dec 2009, 23:26
by Haavard Stoere
Have these been successfully bred before, or am I going to be the first?

They are still in their cave.

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 10 Dec 2009, 23:36
by racoll
Haavard Stoere wrote:am I going to be the first?
I like your confidence.

Best of luck. :D

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 02:32
by 2wheelsx2
Very cool. Keep the updates and pics coming!

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 03:06
by DJ-don
Haavard Stoere wrote:Have these been successfully bred before, or am I going to be the first?

They are still in their cave.
according to the catelog, if you do manage to breed them, you'll be the first reported person to breed them!! :thumbsup:
best of luck!!! :thumbsup:

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 07:11
by Borbi
Hi,

there was a number of spawnings of this species in Germany and Switzerland. But if nothing new happened I´m not informed about, no one ever managed to get them to hatch. The eggs always turned bad and/or were eaten by the male.

So if you really manage to get them hatching at least, you´ll be the first..

Cheers, Sandor

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 13:42
by Haavard Stoere
I thought I had arrived to late in the pleco keeping hobby to be the first to breed anything that beautiful. Being the first is not important, but it would be kind of fun.

When the eggs are laid I will hatch them artificially with Methylene Blue, and hopefully get some result. The pair is still in the cave. The male don`t seem to hurt the female like Leporacanthicus or Pseudacanthicus species sometimes do. This makes me more at ease as I don`t have to worry about her health.

Here are some water parameters for those who believes it to be important :roll:
Ph 7,5
Conductivity 140 microsiemens
Salts 70ppm.
Gh 3
Kh 1

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 13:56
by Cattleya
Hi
good Luck ! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Ph 7,5
Conductivity 140 microsiemens
Salts 70ppm.
Gh 3
Kh 1
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The themp is importand ;)

My bread by 28 g/Celsius

greatings Udo

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 13:59
by Haavard Stoere
Hi Udo :D Forgot the temperature :oops: It is 28 here too. Have you raised fry successfully?

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 15:06
by Haavard Stoere
From inside the cave:
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Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 15:54
by Haavard Stoere
The female forced herself out of the cave, and seconds later forced herself in again. There is an increased level of activity in there :D

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 16:35
by Janne
Haavard,The female don't looks ripped with eggs on the first pic... maybe there are some weeks between the photos? If not you need to feed them little extra, it does look promising :)

Janne

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 17:28
by Haavard Stoere
The first picture was taken 1,5 years ago :wink: It looks very promising. Not necessarily right now, but at least in the long run.

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 17:32
by Cristoffer Forssander
Very interesting! :thumbsup:
It's great that you can dokument so much information and share it with others! :!:


Cristoffer

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 17:45
by Haavard Stoere
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 17:48
by hotchiliz
Congrats....

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 17:55
by DutchFry
ole! :cheers:

congratulations Haavard, I hope they will hatch!

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 18:03
by husky_jim
...no comments...!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 18:30
by Haavard Stoere
The eggs have been moved to a 19 liter with heater and air stone. I added 4 drops of Methylene blue to the water. I think there are around 50 large yellow eggs.

Daily picture updates will follow including one more tonight. :D

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 18:45
by 2wheelsx2
Wow...that was quick. :p

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 18:56
by Morten
Grattis Haavard. :D (Pick upp your mobile)

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 19:10
by Norman
Hi Håvard,

Thats great!
Good luck with them.
This species is one of my favourite L-Numbers.
I told Udo before he should breed them at last.
I keep my fingers crossed. Next year I would like to see the fry.

all the best
Norman

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 19:42
by Haavard Stoere
We are not there yet. As I understand these are very sensitive eggs. Thats why I had no doubts about stealing the eggs. Especially considering my high ph.

This is my standard hatching setup.
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Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 19:47
by Jon
I'm grinning ear to ear reading this. Also, there's a little tinge of jealousy there, too ;).

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 21:01
by Janne
Congratulations... now you will have difficult to return the couple to your friend :)
I always use a net where I place the eggs hanging down into the hatching container with an airstone or the inlet of the water sligtly move them a little, I found it difficult to place them at the bottom much more sensitive to fungus. I move the net every day turn the eggs around, sometime a few eggs is attacked by fungus but mostly all eggs hatch and I release the fry into the container. Desinfect the net if you use an old one before you place any eggs inside (chlorin works).

Janne

Re: Breeding Ancistrini sp. L082

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 21:27
by Cristoffer Forssander
Congratulations!

I agree with Janne and share hes experience on this issue!

I'm confident that you will succed!!!

It's a lovley species!