L114 Color Morphs

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L114 Color Morphs

Post by ClayT101 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:50 pm

I picked up an L114 the other day. It has a really nice orange tail. The owner of the LFS is pretty knowledgeable, and was telling me that there were 2 types / color morphs based on collection point, but he could not remember where. Basically, there are 2 types. One has a solid orange tail, with a not as distinct leopard pattern. Then there is the second, which only has orange on the tips of the tail, and a more distinct leopard pattern. He had one of each, and the color differences / patterns were very obvious in person. Here are sample pictures from the internet. Can anyone provide additional information?

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Re: L114 Color Morphs

Post by ClayT101 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:53 pm

Here is the one that I picked up btw. It is about 3 inches. Maybe a little more.
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Re: L114 Color Morphs

Post by bekateen » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:01 pm

@PseudaSmart and @CharlieM9 what are your thoughts?

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Re: L114 Color Morphs

Post by flatfish » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:42 am

In my experience the orange tailed ones often end up with more spotted tails as they grow.

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Re: L114 Color Morphs

Post by Acanthicus » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:57 pm

Hi,

the first picture shows P. leopardus, not L 114.

I agree on the different colourations, but its just likely that a widespreaded species like this shows different colours in different populations. There is one, which is entirely brown, but its rarely seen in the trade.

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Re: L114 Color Morphs

Post by PseudaSmart » Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:12 pm

Hi, what is a seemingly simple question has in fact taken me on a 6 year? quest for the answer. Without going into a lot of detail I am comfortable stating that for the leopardus species there is the described one from the Rio Rupunui in Guyana and currently 4 other base variations.

One easy way to prove a base or stable variation is to look at the offspring. If a very high percentage of them look like the parents then it is a base, morph, sp.,etc. (yes I know each has a slightly different meaning.). An extreme counter example are albino bushynose. I had one pair of blue-eyes and there were albino blue-eyes, albino red eyes, brown wth brown eyes, and grey with brown eyes,

This work was done with input from collectors, exporters, and importers along with supporting photos. With luck I hope to get the entire Pseudacanthicus paper published by the end of the next year.

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Re: L114 Color Morphs

Post by ClayT101 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:53 am

Thanks. Yeah I googled L600 vs L114 and came across your thread about it. Interesting stuff. Do you think L600 is also the same species?
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Re: L114 Color Morphs

Post by PseudaSmart » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:25 am

The label L600 is a P. leopardus. It is not a true L number but a trade name that stuck because everyone other than the pros find it easier to speak in numbers.
To be honest it is easier to type. That is why I started saying pseudas instead of Pseudacanthicus. There are plenty of other genus that use the same prefix but when used in context everyone understands.

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Re: L114 Color Morphs

Post by flatfish » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:04 am

Hi all,

sorry to temporarily hijack this thread. The photo of the orange tailed L600 at the top of the post is my fish - now a healthy adult female L600. I always thought that we only had L114 in New Zealand so having an L600 is a nice surprise. Daniel and Jim here are my 3 pairs of leopard cactus plecos. One of the females is the L600 above. Would you be able to have a look at them and see if there are any more L600's in the group. Sorry about the pics. They were taken a while ago and it is a mission to catch and photograph them from other angles.

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Re: L114 Color Morphs

Post by ClayT101 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:35 pm

No problem on the hijack.
So is L114 also Pseudacanthicus leopardus?
Is that what your paper is about?
Are there geographic differences that would make it impossible for them to be all one species?
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Re: L114 Color Morphs

Post by flatfish » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:17 am

I am no expert but I think either L600 and L114 are part of a widespread species with different regional types or L600 and L114 are closely related but separate species. I guess genetics should set some light on the situation.

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Re: L114 Color Morphs

Post by ClayT101 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:57 pm

Here is a better picture of the tail on mine. Little beat up, but should heal nicely.
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Re: L114 Color Morphs

Post by flatfish » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:22 pm

They are pretty hardy. The tail should heal quickly if it not stressed

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Re: L114 Color Morphs

Post by 7Pete » Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:18 am

Quite small pattern in this L114 head? Male 23-24 cm.
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