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Interesting fish. What do you know about this specimen? Catch location? No strong body stripes? ( as in other Platydoras)

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bekateen wrote: 01 Jul 2019, 17:37 Interesting fish. What do you know about this specimen? Catch location? No strong body stripes? ( as in other Platydoras)

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It is from the lower Marowijne river in Suriname and gets about 14" is about all I know about it
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Thanks.

The closest described species is , both in appearance and location (same river system). But I'm being told on Facebook that this is not the same.

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It is an interesting fish, why is is not P. costatus?

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Jools wrote: 02 Jul 2019, 09:20 It is an interesting fish, why is is not P. costatus?

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Iamfish wrote: 04 Jul 2019, 23:35p. costatus gets 6.3"? This guy is already about 8 " and they get to about 14".
I've heard there are other differences also. But to the issue of size, is 14" a wild measurement or in captivity? Captive raised fosh often exceed wild caught max SL.

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Not sure if this fish came from the same place I got mine (I assume it did) but the vendor was offering wild-caught fish up to 12". The range offered was 8-12".

Really happy with this species. A good medium-sized fish that stays small enough to be realistically kept by hobbyists, as opposed to the much larger Oxydoras, Pterodoras etc.
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Thanks for this info on the sizes of wild caught fish. I presume the seller lists the size as TL, not SL. Do you know?

If so, and assuming seller isn't exaggerating, I'd estimate from photos that the tail adds another 15%-20% to length, which would then "ballpark" SL around 10".

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Rechecked their website. They actually list 2 size options, 7-8" or 9.5-12.5", they're not specific about SL or TL.

I ordered the 7-8" size and while I didn't measure it before adding it to the tank if I hold a tape measure up to the front of the tank (not very accurate I know) it looks to be a solid 9" TL. I suppose that doesn't mean much though considering they offer a range of sizes from 7-12.5".
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Either way, still much bigger than 6". I wish I got to say that more often, but alas, never have, never will. :)) :))
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They have been recorded up to 10.7" SL (Pioski et al., 2008), and that was based on a very small number of specimens, so I'm sure they get bigger.

Vendors rarely use SL as far as I know, so the sizes offered definitely fit the species.
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racoll wrote: 05 Jul 2019, 11:10 They have been recorded up to 10.7" SL (Pioski et al., 2008), and that was based on a very small number of specimens, so I'm sure they get bigger.

Vendors rarely use SL as far as I know, so the sizes offered definitely fit the species.
"They" being costatus?
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Think the DNA looks different in these two spp. I will consult Mols book when I get home. I think this fellow could have it's own species entry...


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bekateen wrote: "They" being costatus?
Yes, P. costatus.
Jools wrote:Think the DNA looks different in these two spp. I will consult Mols book when I get home. I think this fellow could have it's own species entry...
Ah ... there's indeed a Platydoras sp. "Maroni" (=Marowijne) in Arce et al. (2017).
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racoll wrote: 05 Jul 2019, 16:27Ah ... there's indeed a Platydoras sp. "Maroni" (=Marowijne) in Arce et al. (2017).
Sorry, but I'm having trouble finding this resource. Do you mean the 2013 paper (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ympev.2013.02.021)? I see Platydoras sp. 'Maroni' there.

If not, which paper is this?

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Jools wrote: 05 Jul 2019, 15:25Think the DNA looks different in these two spp. I will consult Mols book when I get home. I think this fellow could have it's own species entry...
Jools, I reviewed the Arce (2013) paper and indeed there is a Platydoras sp. `Maroni` that is distinct from P. costatus. I've created a CLOG entry for it.
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bekateen wrote:Sorry, but I'm having trouble finding this resource. Do you mean the 2013 paper (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ympev.2013.02.021)? I see Platydoras sp. 'Maroni' there.
Oops, my bad. No idea where 2017 came from. That's the paper (2013).
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FWIW, on FaceBook, Mark Henry Sabaj says this `shallow scute` Platydoras may be Platydoras helicophilus, which was also described from the Maroni and has shallower scutes than P. costatus; currently, P. helicophilus is synonymized with P. costatus.
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bekateen wrote: 05 Jul 2019, 17:01
Jools wrote: 05 Jul 2019, 15:25Think the DNA looks different in these two spp. I will consult Mols book when I get home. I think this fellow could have it's own species entry...
Jools, I reviewed the Arce (2013) paper and indeed there is a Platydoras sp. `Maroni` that is distinct from P. costatus. I've created a CLOG entry for it.
Iamfish wrote: 01 Jul 2019, 17:05Sharing some pics of my new cat
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So far so good, here is a video a few pics I got of him tonight
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Great stuff, if you get a picture of the fish side on without much reflection or other fish in the shot it'd be great to put in the cat-elog to show the fish in portrait.

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Sill trying to get some better pics for you guys, just been hard since he is very fast and I use a phone to take pics. Got this adorable pics the other day though.
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It's a cute pic!



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