The hybrid Syno thread

[The.Dark.One]

On the 'galinae' images please see my comments on:

http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... 69#p184845

[mata leao]

Does anyone here feel comfortable making an educated guess on the suspected lineage of the valentine syno hybrid? I purchased one of these hybrids a few months back thinking it was S.decora and now Im trying to figure out the max size of this fish. Any help would be much appreciated.

[Richard B]

Does anyone here feel comfortable making an educated guess on the suspected lineage of the valentine syno hybrid? I purchased one of these hybrids a few months back thinking it was S.decora and now Im trying to figure out the max size of this fish. Any help would be much appreciated.

Popular thinking is that "valentine" is a decora x multipunctata hybrid. I have seen these at 8" SL so i suspect decora adult size. That said i have seen other types of hybrids labelled valentine too

[mata leao]

Does anyone here feel comfortable making an educated guess on the suspected lineage of the valentine syno hybrid? I purchased one of these hybrids a few months back thinking it was S.decora and now Im trying to figure out the max size of this fish. Any help would be much appreciated.

Popular thinking is that "valentine" is a decora x multipunctata hybrid. I have seen these at 8" SL so i suspect decora adult size. That said i have seen other types of hybrids labelled valentine too

Thank you very much for your help. The fish is nearly identical to the pic you posted of a valentine syno on page 5 of this thread. Ill try and snap a few shots of it soon just to be certain. Thanks again.

[Jools]

Richard,

Attached another pic of my hybrid. Should I add this to the catelog as a new hybrid?

Jools

[Viktor Jarikov]

Richard, I thought that decora x multipunctata hybrid is called jaguar because of the clouded spots it has. Is it the same as valentine?

[Viktor Jarikov]

is there a spot for these hybrids in cat-eLog with a collection of pics for id-ying?

[Dave Rinaldo]

is there a spot for these hybrids in cat-eLog with a collection of pics for id-ying?

Look for Synodontis sp. hybrid

The catfish family Mochokidae

[Richard B]

Richard,

Attached another pic of my hybrid. Should I add this to the catelog as a new hybrid?

Jools

This variation is not in cat-e-log

[Jools]

Should I add this to the catelog as a new hybrid?

This variation is not in cat-e-log

OK, I've now added it.

Jools

[Silurus]

Jools,

Price aside, is there any reason to confirm that your fish are hybrids and not something like

Synodontis caudovittata

?

[Richard B]

Richard, I thought that decora x multipunctata hybrid is called jaguar because of the clouded spots it has. Is it the same as valentine?

One of the problems with hybrids is that distributors come up with all sorts of names for them - leopard syno, tiger syno, valentine, species white tip, multipunctatus silver, multipunctatus black - whatever they feel like. additionally some true species names are used like velifer, pardalis, koensis, robertsi, longirostris, ornatipinnis.

If you look on aquabid there are valentine which look nothing like the multi x decora hybrid which has been seen as valentine previously.

The naming of hybrids is immaterial really as they're all hybrids which can only best be described with the code hybrid 1, hybrid 2 etc - 'common' names are misleading at the best of times

[Viktor Jarikov]

Thanks, Richard! Makes sense. What a mess though. What's aquabid? an action website selling fish?

[MatsP]

Aquabid is indeed an auction web-site (in north america) where people sell their fish.

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Mats

[Jools]

Jools,

Price aside, is there any reason to confirm that your fish are hybrids and not something like

Synodontis caudovittata

?

Good question.

They were bought from Neil Hardy Aquatics via my LFS as Synodontis sp. "white tip" which was in the hybrid section and all other synos ordered were hybrids - a few other strains I've not seen either. They were around 15-20mm TL when purchased. At that size they looked identical to larger

Synodontis granulosa

saving dusky barbels.

So, I don't know they are hybrids, but I would seem likely.

Jools

[The.Dark.One]

Good question.
They were bought from Neil Hardy Aquatics via my LFS as Synodontis sp. "white tip" which was in the hybrid section and all other synos ordered were hybrids - a few other strains I've not seen either. They were around 15-20mm TL when purchased. At that size they looked identical to larger

Synodontis granulosa

saving dusky barbels.

So, I don't know they are hybrids, but I would seem likely.

Jools

One of my lfs also had these in at a similar very small size, sold as the same "White tip". I know that Neil Hardy's did allegedly breed some wild S. granulosa that he got from a friend of mine, but I would have thought they would have been sold as S. granulosa, rather than this common name. I would go for hybrid too based on the very small size and the name they are being marketed under.

[Birger]

To me Jools fish has that rift cat(multi/grandiops/granny) looking sort of shape to it, I would wager it is fairly active as well, Is it?

Birger

[zenyfish]

Price aside, is there any reason to confirm that your fish are hybrids and not something like

Synodontis caudovittata

?

Seems really odd that someone would breed such a plain looking hybrid for retail.
But it also doesn't seems like it's caudovittata as the eye is not round but oval.

[The.Dark.One]

Seems really odd that someone would breed such a plain looking hybrid for retail.
But it also doesn't seems like it's caudovittata as the eye is not round but oval.

When they are young they are not plain. They have pattern and purplish colouration which is very similar to young S. granulosa.


[mod edit: fix quote --Mats]

[Richard B]

the "white tip" or" white fin" is a hybrid produced by NHA which i discussed with them at GLEE a couple of years ago - although i don't know what the parent fish are.

I know that Neil Hardy's did allegedly breed some wild S. granulosa

I can confirm this has happened as i've been down there & seen the adult stock & young at 10mm & at larger sizes. I have 2 which are currently approx 120mm & 200mm.

[Birger]

The below is from this thread submitted by andywoolloo
http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... no#p153779

[Dave Rinaldo]

This came in labelled as a

Synodontis granulosa

X

Synodontis polli

hybrid.

3.5 cm TL

[MatsP]

At least they are honest about it. And a VERY pretty fish.

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Mats

[Richard B]

Nice pics Dave - it looks very small - interesting to see growth rates & how it develops over time

[Dave Rinaldo]

Nice pics Dave - it looks very small - interesting to see growth rates & how it develops over time

It's 3.5 cm TL

I took my photo tank to work last night.
It's still at the shop.
He is a cutie though!

[sidguppy]

bloody shame though

you DO know that usually in the creation of hybrids the parental fish die because they don't survive the injected hormones for very long nor the squeezing out of eggs and roe?

wich means they killed a wildcaught granulosus to create this little horror.
injected with toxic waste and squeezed to death

wich doesn't make it cute to me, just painful.

[Jools]

you DO know that usually in the creation of hybrids the parental fish die because they don't survive the injected hormones for very long nor the squeezing out of eggs and roe?

A long time ago, there was a speaker at the CAGB convention on this subject. This was before I attended these things. It strikes me that a talk on such a brutual method of producing fish to sell would not have gone down well, yet from memory the talk was well received. Maybe everyone was just being polite. Any one else know more? I am sure it was a Czech speaker.

I agree, that some methods of hybridisation involve kitchen blenders, but not all do and I would like to know more.

Maybe someone like Ian or Chris would remember?

Jools

[Richard B]

twas not one of the ones i ever attended...

[Jools]

It would be 80's I think. I'll need to ask Allan James next time I see him.

Jools

[andywoolloo]

I have seen videos and tv shows on manually extracting sperm from fish and it looks horrible. horrible and painful and deadly. But I do not know if it was deadly, Just wicked and mean and alot of squishing. It looked liek it would kill them and squish their internal organs to bits.