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On the 'galinae' images please see my comments on:

http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... 69#p184845

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Does anyone here feel comfortable making an educated guess on the suspected lineage of the valentine syno hybrid? I purchased one of these hybrids a few months back thinking it was S.decora :oops: and now Im trying to figure out the max size of this fish. Any help would be much appreciated.

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mata leao wrote:Does anyone here feel comfortable making an educated guess on the suspected lineage of the valentine syno hybrid? I purchased one of these hybrids a few months back thinking it was S.decora :oops: and now Im trying to figure out the max size of this fish. Any help would be much appreciated.

Popular thinking is that "valentine" is a decora x multipunctata hybrid. I have seen these at 8" SL so i suspect decora adult size. That said i have seen other types of hybrids labelled valentine too :?
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Richard B wrote:
mata leao wrote:Does anyone here feel comfortable making an educated guess on the suspected lineage of the valentine syno hybrid? I purchased one of these hybrids a few months back thinking it was S.decora :oops: and now Im trying to figure out the max size of this fish. Any help would be much appreciated.

Popular thinking is that "valentine" is a decora x multipunctata hybrid. I have seen these at 8" SL so i suspect decora adult size. That said i have seen other types of hybrids labelled valentine too :?
Thank you very much for your help. The fish is nearly identical to the pic you posted of a valentine syno on page 5 of this thread. Ill try and snap a few shots of it soon just to be certain. Thanks again.

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Richard,

Attached another pic of my hybrid. Should I add this to the catelog as a new hybrid?

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Richard, I thought that decora x multipunctata hybrid is called jaguar because of the clouded spots it has. Is it the same as valentine?

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is there a spot for these hybrids in cat-eLog with a collection of pics for id-ying?
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Viktor Jarikov wrote:is there a spot for these hybrids in cat-eLog with a collection of pics for id-ying?
Look for Synodontis sp. hybrid

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Jools wrote:Richard,

Attached another pic of my hybrid. Should I add this to the catelog as a new hybrid?

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Richard B wrote:
Jools wrote:Should I add this to the catelog as a new hybrid?
This variation is not in cat-e-log
OK, I've now added it.

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Jools,

Price aside, is there any reason to confirm that your fish are hybrids and not something like Synodontis caudovittata?
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Viktor Jarikov wrote:Richard, I thought that decora x multipunctata hybrid is called jaguar because of the clouded spots it has. Is it the same as valentine?
One of the problems with hybrids is that distributors come up with all sorts of names for them - leopard syno, tiger syno, valentine, species white tip, multipunctatus silver, multipunctatus black - whatever they feel like. additionally some true species names are used like velifer, pardalis, koensis, robertsi, longirostris, ornatipinnis.

If you look on aquabid there are valentine which look nothing like the multi x decora hybrid which has been seen as valentine previously.

The naming of hybrids is immaterial really as they're all hybrids which can only best be described with the code hybrid 1, hybrid 2 etc - 'common' names are misleading at the best of times :?
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Thanks, Richard! Makes sense. What a mess though. What's aquabid? an action website selling fish?
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Aquabid is indeed an auction web-site (in north america) where people sell their fish.

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Silurus wrote:Jools,

Price aside, is there any reason to confirm that your fish are hybrids and not something like Synodontis caudovittata?
Good question.

They were bought from Neil Hardy Aquatics via my LFS as Synodontis sp. "white tip" which was in the hybrid section and all other synos ordered were hybrids - a few other strains I've not seen either. They were around 15-20mm TL when purchased. At that size they looked identical to larger Synodontis granulosa saving dusky barbels.

So, I don't know they are hybrids, but I would seem likely.

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Jools wrote: Good question.
They were bought from Neil Hardy Aquatics via my LFS as Synodontis sp. "white tip" which was in the hybrid section and all other synos ordered were hybrids - a few other strains I've not seen either. They were around 15-20mm TL when purchased. At that size they looked identical to larger Synodontis granulosa saving dusky barbels.

So, I don't know they are hybrids, but I would seem likely.

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One of my lfs also had these in at a similar very small size, sold as the same "White tip". I know that Neil Hardy's did allegedly breed some wild S. granulosa that he got from a friend of mine, but I would have thought they would have been sold as S. granulosa, rather than this common name. I would go for hybrid too based on the very small size and the name they are being marketed under.

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To me Jools fish has that rift cat(multi/grandiops/granny) looking sort of shape to it, I would wager it is fairly active as well, Is it?

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Silurus wrote: Price aside, is there any reason to confirm that your fish are hybrids and not something like Synodontis caudovittata?
Seems really odd that someone would breed such a plain looking hybrid for retail.
But it also doesn't seems like it's caudovittata as the eye is not round but oval.

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Seems really odd that someone would breed such a plain looking hybrid for retail.
But it also doesn't seems like it's caudovittata as the eye is not round but oval.
When they are young they are not plain. They have pattern and purplish colouration which is very similar to young S. granulosa.


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the "white tip" or" white fin" is a hybrid produced by NHA which i discussed with them at GLEE a couple of years ago - although i don't know what the parent fish are.
I know that Neil Hardy's did allegedly breed some wild S. granulosa
I can confirm this has happened as i've been down there & seen the adult stock & young at 10mm & at larger sizes. I have 2 which are currently approx 120mm & 200mm.
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