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Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 14:29
by Jools
Yeah, this is not a common occurrence at all, so well done. Look forward to updates on their progress - in about 6 months we should have a better idea about ID. Little is know about what the various species of look like at this size, so it's a waiting game that we're all interested in! What we could do in the meantime is have a look at pics of all the different Synos in the tank to make sure those IDs are all correct?

Cheers,

Jools

Re: Surprise Baby Synos! < pix >

Posted: 25 Dec 2011, 02:06
by Sandee
Sadly, I hadn’t taken many shots lately, due to my big move – but I did take this one last one, for no reason other than to show the guy buying the tank (that it held water). Who knew, I had Syno babies lurking about! :(

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As you can see, it’s a standard 125g tank with crushed coral. I kept the temperature (while it was up and running) between 80 and 82 degrees. My Ph was in the high 7s. The water quality was very consistent, not much variation. Filtration included 2 Eheim 2217s. When I found them, the water had been standing for about 5 days, no heat no filtration. UUgg.

Over the past 5 years, in this particular tank, I kept mainly my more aggressive Cichlids, and those Synos that weren’t behaving in my mild tank (also a 125g, the tank where I kept my Grannies). Some pix below - these guys may be the parents: Angelicus and Brichardi (not the Multi, I had moved him out of that tank since the pix was taken). Or, it could have been the 2 Angelicus in that tank - but I had sold one a month+ prior. OR, they could have all been *having fun* and lady cat just mated with the fellow with the nicest smile - who knows. But, I'm posting some random pix of the occupants of that tank (from years ago). You'll also notice the *fake* Granulosus(es) I had, they were also given away early, so I'm pretty sure they weren't part of the mix.

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Either way – in 6 months, we should see exactly *who* they are … hoping they’ll continue to mature in the small tank they’re in now. Since my move, I’ve downsized from 18 tanks to 6, plus a new Terrapin tank – that’s 7 and the baby Syno tank … totaling 8. The number of tanks are growing again!  BTW, I’m reluctant to actually tell you what I have the babies in … but they seem to be doing ok for now. The WERE in a breeding net, in my 125g Buttikoferi tank – but one jumped out and was LOST until I nearly vacuumed him up (glad I found him, but OMG!). Then, I fired up a 6g Fluval Edge – they were both in there all happy – until they were GONE! Got sucked up thru an opening in the pre-filter, thru the filter, and found under the impeller! Well, that’s 3 of their catfish *9 lives* … they seem safe now (new, secure pre-filter). I’ll be setting up a 20gL soon as a grow out tank … :)

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 25 Dec 2011, 05:38
by Maccus
Interesting. Only thing of note in that to me is the temp. I've never kept mine that high. If I got baby synos, I 'd hope they could have my extra fifty five gal.

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 25 Dec 2011, 19:26
by Sandee
... 20g, 55g, 125g - yes, bigger tanks in the future!

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 26 Dec 2011, 02:05
by Scleropages
Thanks for the info, Sandee. If you don't mind me asking, can you describe how you did water changes on the tank? (i.e.-how often?, what % of water did you change?, filled with tap water?, any other particulars?) Thanks again!

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 26 Dec 2011, 22:03
by Richard B
Were there also petricola & Lucipinnis in the tank at one point? Looks like it from the pix.Depending on when these were removed, lucipinnis could be a possibility but maybe angelica which is what i'm hoping for - the decora looks too small.

Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 26 Dec 2011, 22:37
by Sandee
Never ever. Those pix were of Synos in my mild tank. Gotta be Brichardi mix ... 'she' was the last one to go.

Regarding my water changes - every week, 20%. Tap water with conditioner. Nothing special. Spirulina flake. Mysis every so often as a treat.

Lastly, stupid of me not to pay closer attention. But glad they look healthy and are growing quickly ...


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Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 27 Dec 2011, 16:46
by Scleropages
Thanks, Sandee. Best of luck raising those little critters. Keep us posted as they mature--we especially like pics!

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 28 Dec 2011, 03:01
by Sandee
Scleropages wrote:Thanks, Sandee. Best of luck raising those little critters. Keep us posted as they mature--we especially like pics!
And I love taking pictures! Will do!

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 29 Dec 2011, 02:31
by Sandee
I just shot this HD video - except for when it does an auto-focus, you can REALLY see some detail on these 2 little guys. The tank bottom is bare, so you'll see a reflection - but that's actually helpful. You can clearly see their white barbels, eyes and fins. Big bellys as they just ate and were pretty playful ... :)


Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 29 Dec 2011, 03:26
by Sandee
From the video ...

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Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 05 Jan 2012, 06:09
by andywoolloo
thats fantastic !! :-BD

Re: Surprise Baby Syno! < singular >

Posted: 08 Jan 2012, 02:06
by Sandee
Sad news. One of the baby Synos died today. It appears he wandered into the core of the Rena heater and didn't know how to get out (?) - got too hot (?) - I'm guessing. I saw his tail, carefully removed him and saw he was barely alive. He wiggled a few times, then stopped. :(

Question - a few of you have expressed interest in these guys ... in the spirit of education and awareness, I'd be happy to preserve this little guy and send him to you. Let me know the steps to take ... happy to help. PM me if you'd like. Here are some pictures ... maybe you can tell what he was (Birchardi, etc.?). BTW, he was about 1/2" ...

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Trying to take good care of my 1 remaining Syno ... :(

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 08 Jan 2012, 02:22
by Dave Rinaldo
I use Everclear 190 (95%). Ethanol is best if you have access to it.

Re: Baby Syno is getting bigger ...

Posted: 22 Jan 2012, 04:09
by Sandee
Well, the little guy is growing well! I so wish I didn't lose the other one, but doing my best to care for this baby!

He's tough to video, but you can see he's got some good definition now.


Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 22 Jan 2012, 16:09
by Scleropages
Good to see the little one darting around. Looks like it's got a little more meat on it now. Sorry to hear about the loss of the other one, but, as a fellow tropical fish hobbyist, I'm sure you are familiar with having some great specimens die.

Sandee, as a suggestion, I'd like to recommend that you hold your camera (iPhone?) rotated 90 degrees. It will provide a much bigger picture when you watch it on a monitor/TV screen. $10 says you're using an iPhone and holding it upright. A lot of people mistakenly do this. You should hold it sideways. I can't tell you how many videos I've seen posted on youtube where the picture is this way. It only fills up 1/3 of the screen. It's a bit of a pet peeve of mine. Anyway, that's my suggestion.

Keep up the good work with the syno fry!

Re: Video of Syno baby ... busted.

Posted: 22 Jan 2012, 19:59
by Sandee
Busted, yeah - I forget how much better it looks landscape. Next time for sure! But thanks for watching ... :)

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 27 Jan 2012, 15:55
by Maccus
Oh no, I hope the other baby survives.

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 30 Jan 2012, 15:39
by Steve GT
Wow congrats mate

Can't believe they survived hard little things arnt they :)

Shame about one of them dying lets hope the other one keeps out of mischief

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 30 Jan 2012, 17:06
by tjudy
The macro image of the deceased baby shows the black bars running out the top and bottom of the caudal fin that the Tanganyikan species have.

Re: Surprise Baby Synos! 2 months old now!

Posted: 29 Feb 2012, 02:07
by Sandee
Very happy to report that my little guy is getting bigger! Fat and happy too!

Take a look ... yes, def. Tanganyikan, looking like a Multi to me, but I still don't know how! He's just shy of about an inch ...


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Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 29 Feb 2012, 10:01
by sidguppy
not a multi!

probably a petricola/lucipinnis; the lead dorsal spine has a white tip and it's too elongated for a multi already; baby multi's tend to be highbuilt with a triangular dorsal.

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 29 Feb 2012, 10:47
by Richard B
sidguppy wrote:not a multi!

probably a petricola/lucipinnis; the lead dorsal spine has a white tip and it's too elongated for a multi already; baby multi's tend to be highbuilt with a triangular dorsal.
Totally agree

It definately has Luci/petriola heritage - did any cichlids move from tank to tank - if so did they have fry? An egg could have been transferred on a rock/ with water etc? How many Petricola & lucipinnis did you have in the other tank?

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 29 Feb 2012, 13:46
by Scleropages
I'm going to go so far as to say it's probably S. lucipinnis as they are much more common than S. petricola--at least they are in all of the LFS's I have seen in NJ. And, when I do see S. lucipinnis in the LFS's, they are usually mislabeled as S. petricola... even in such nice shops as Absolutely Fish in Clifton and Tropiquarium (my favorite) in Ocean.

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 29 Feb 2012, 19:16
by Sandee
Must be a Petricola, never had a Lucipinnis! And yes, a few Cichlids were in that tank as I consolidated, but geez NO Petricolas. Anything could happen I guess ... hey, as long as this guy is happy and healthy, I'm all smiles! SO great that I have at least one (because my husband "made me" give away everyone else!). Thanks for all the comments! More pix next month ... :)

BTW. I'm a big fan of Absolutely Fish, as a matter of fact - I gave them my Decorus and a few others, a dozen or so Cichlids too.

Re: Surprise Baby Synos! < pix >

Posted: 29 Feb 2012, 19:54
by Richard B
Sandee wrote: Image
Must be a Petricola, never had a Lucipinnis!
I can't see too clearly but the fish bottom right corner (on the right of the Petricola) looks like Lucipinnis.

99 times a Petricola is sold it is actually Lucipinnis

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 29 Feb 2012, 20:17
by Scleropages
Sandee wrote:BTW. I'm a big fan of Absolutely Fish, as a matter of fact - I gave them my Decorus and a few others, a dozen or so Cichlids too.
That's very generous of you. I must admit I'm not a fan of them at all and I would never give them any fish without getting something in return. While I stop in a couple times a year or so for ideas, I haven't bought anything from them since they were known as Aquatropics. It's a very clean shop and they have quite an extensive collection of fresh and salt water fish, but I'm put off by the arrogant attitudes I usually encounter there as well as the rip-off prices.

For instance, I have pointed out to them the S. lucipinnis they are selling as S. petricola. I even took the time to show them how to differentiate the two species. I was then given a lot of attitude and they never did make the correction. They are one of the few shops around that does get true S. petricola in. However, not all synos they are selling as S. petricola are truly S. petricola.

Anyway, good luck with the little Tanganyikan syno!

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 01 Mar 2012, 02:46
by Sandee
... I always get something, a credit or whatever. I brought in a beautiful show Tang the other day ... that's kept me in frozen krill for 3 months! ;)

They're good guys, once you get to know them. Have you been there lately? A guy fondly ref. to as "Little Patrick" is my favorite. Nice guy, honest, if he doesn't know - he'll find out. Let me know if you're in the area, would love for you to stop by to see my baby Syno! I'm in Denville.

:)

Re: Surprise Baby Syno! HD video

Posted: 03 Mar 2012, 02:42
by Sandee
Another 60 seconds of this little guy ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylYMb-DRwW4

Re: Surprise Baby Synos!

Posted: 03 Mar 2012, 10:20
by sidguppy
looks like a regular baby lucipinnis to me

the pattern is odd, but both petricola and lucipinnis come in large-spot and small-spot varieties and these are mixed within the populations

I've seen shipments coming in from Zambia (everything mixed) and burundi (true petricola) and they have a wide variety within the species.