panaque nigro spawning ??

[grokefish, posts: 1531]

Oh my I completely forgot how much I love these fish since my 8yr old one died, off to the LFS me thinks.......

On topic, I dont think that is territorial behaviour, I thought it was at first but it's just not nasty enough.

My two panaques nigro and blue eyed had such violent battles I had to give the blue eye to friend.

[Firestorming, posts: 238]

I read an online "account" of a nigrolineatus spawn.

Apparently the fish hollowed out a nest in dense collapsed val or some similar plant.

http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com/aq ... naque.html

[bigamefish, posts: 311]

@grokefish
Wow I wish I was your friend! It isnt every day that you just get a panaque cochliodon

[ElTofi, posts: 500]

@Matt :

and you dare telling me you're envious of my fishes and tank ? I AM the one who should be envious about such a beauty and mature Panaque... Let's wait a 2-3 years and we'll have a talk, you and me, Matt

[rob rensen, posts: 271]

awesome Panaque !! Great fish

[MatsP]

I read an online "account" of a nigrolineatus spawn.

Apparently the fish hollowed out a nest in dense collapsed val or some similar plant.

http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com/aq ... naque.html

There are several people who have shown doubt that this is ACTUALLY a large Panaque spawn.

I heard someone say they have bred "Royal pleco" at a "Open day" at Maidenehead aquatics. I didn't actually meet the claimant myself.

I would be very surprised if these fish don't lay eggs on/in wood.

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Mats

[rob rensen, posts: 271]

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I would be very surprised if these fish don't lay eggs on/in wood.

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Mats

I agree....we'll wait and see what happens

[Firestorming, posts: 238]

I met a guy here (Sydney) who went on a collecting trip to the Amazon. Anything interesting he caught went to the US and Europe with other guys on his trip as we cant bring anything in. One of the things they caught was a royal type panaque in reasonable numbers on wood and on any fallen branches, usually between 2-4cm. When he asked the local guide he told him that he had found adults with many young in soft wood holes and around tree roots. I will try to track him down and see if I can get any more info. He is a cichlid guy though so......

[Acanthicus, posts: 439]

http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com/aquainfo/spawning_panaque.html

Realized, that the youngster in the picture is a common Ancistrus? And the shown specimens are really very small, too small I guess.

[ElTofi, posts: 500]

there had been a debate about this article... and most of the readers came to the same conclusion as Acanthicus...

Panaque too small to breed...
Fry looks very similar to Ancistrus fry
No decent quality picture to illustrate the "pseudo" spawning

When I first read this article, a few years ago, I must admit my heart beagan to beat faster... and then...

[ElTofi, posts: 500]

I met a guy here (Sydney) who went on a collecting trip to the Amazon. Anything interesting he caught went to the US and Europe with other guys on his trip as we cant bring anything in. One of the things they caught was a royal type panaque in reasonable numbers on wood and on any fallen branches, usually between 2-4cm. When he asked the local guide he told him that he had found adults with many young in soft wood holes and around tree roots. I will try to track him down and see if I can get any more info. He is a cichlid guy though so......

heard about this version too... and about another saying that Panaque could possibly have migration spawning behaviour... based on the fact that most little Panaque are found far away from the places of the big ones...

a lot of theories, but nothing really checked...

[Barbie]

When I said cave, I meant enclosed area for the male to protect the eggs, not particularly a stonework type of cave. Sorry I was unclear. With their shape, I would be quite shocked to find that the male does not find an area he can defend for spawning.

Years ago I saw an easily 18" Royal (I have no idea which variety) at a shop in Wichita, KS. I realize they do not need to reach anything near their adult size to spawn, but I do think most spawning attempts are going to require large fish and there just hasn't been many people with groups of these fish in the size range necessary for success until very recently, has there?

Barbie

[rob rensen, posts: 271]

We'll just wait and see what happens....I have 7 Nigro's in a 2.50 tank with a lot of wood, a lot of current (8.000 ltr/hour).

Let nature do it's work

[ElTofi, posts: 500]

...I do think most spawning attempts are going to require large fish and there just hasn't been many people with groups of these fish in the size range necessary for success until very recently, has there?
Barbie

I'm getting close to... with the 6 fishes group of L191, between 16 and 22 cm, it won't be too long (maybe one year) to get to "maturity size"... Maybe I'm listening too much my dreams, but I think fishes of around 30 cm should be mature enough to attempt a spawning, shouldn't they ?

and I have another group of 4 Panaque schaeferi, smaller but still 15 cm TL, which could be candidates to spawning within the next 2 years...

the international "Panaque spawning" race has begun a few months ago ... several runners on the start... let's see what will happen these next months...

@Rob Rensen : good luck with your group and sorry for flooding your topic...

[rob rensen, posts: 271]

It doesn't matter Ettofi....

[rob rensen, posts: 271]

About the article....I have also my doubts. The nigro's on the picture are very small , I think too small to breed

[jac, posts: 743]

I met a guy here (Sydney) who went on a collecting trip to the Amazon. Anything interesting he caught went to the US and Europe with other guys on his trip as we cant bring anything in. One of the things they caught was a royal type panaque in reasonable numbers on wood and on any fallen branches, usually between 2-4cm. When he asked the local guide he told him that he had found adults with many young in soft wood holes and around tree roots. I will try to track him down and see if I can get any more info. He is a cichlid guy though so......

heard about this version too... and about another saying that Panaque could possibly have migration spawning behaviour... based on the fact that most little Panaque are found far away from the places of the big ones...

a lot of theories, but nothing really checked...

I have read/heard this too. Wasn't it at the Lnumber days in Hannover?

[HaakonH, posts: 279]

This may be nothing but a rumour too, but I heard/read somewhere that Royals are being bred at some farms in Asia. The climate there allows the farmers to keep their fish in large outdoor pools. The story is that they used large, more elongate containers where they created enough water flow to simulate riverine conditions as opposed to more stagnant ones like in other breeding pools. They added large chunks of wood which the Royals chewed on, creating cavities where eggs were laid.

Has anyone here received Royals from Asian suppliers?

Haakon

[nvcichlids, posts: 1560]

my LFS has gotten some tiny royals from an asian supplier in the past year. I would say tiny being maybe 2" TL. I don't recall the supplier, but they havent ordered from them again as they lost a lot of fish in that order.

[dw1305, posts: 332]

Hi all,

They added large chunks of wood which the Royals chewed on, creating cavities where eggs were laid.

That would definitely be my suggestion, I save all my large holey wood for a Parrot breeder for exactly this reason. Something like a palm trunk would naturally form a circular depression as it decayed, and this would give an opening that the male could work on.

cheers Darrel