what would it take

by **Jools** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:32 am

Birger wrote:Make sure it is not one of the hybrids already in Pimelodidae

Send a picture or pictures with an explanation, following the directions in the link below for sending images.

http://www.planetcatfish.com/general/ge ... cle_id=397

Also are we sure it's not Pimelodus sp_hybrid(1)?

Jools

by **ElTofi** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:43 am

Hi Viktor & Sequoia,

you're not alone on this thread :YMHUG:

But I'm trying so hard no to succomb to the Pimelodidae, that I do my best to keep away from such threads... %-(

by **Viktor Jarikov** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:04 am

Jools wrote: Also are we sure it's not Pimelodus sp_hybrid(1)?

I am. I've seen dozens of the subject fish (adult and sub-adult) - they all look as in the photos I provided. Body shape is indeed similar but the markings are crude, large, irregular - nothing as regular, dense, and beautiful as on the hybrid you linked. I think the straw-man hypothesis on Pimelodus sp_hybrid(1) is a cross between a TSN and a smallish pim (i.e., Pimelodus), like a blochii. Now, why would anyone cross TSN with a small fish for food purposes, I don't know.

The same is thought here with respect to this guy Pseudoplatystoma sp_hybrid(1), which looks closer to the subject fish but still different to me. An expert eye needs to look at these two hybrids already ion Cat-eLog and the photos we provided and decide, IMHO.

ElTofi, thanks for the sentiment but my point stands :))

by **sequoiacat** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:16 pm

Ya an expert needs to look at them to see exactly what hybrid.
But, in my opinion I think the leiarius x TSN hybrid, is completely different in coloration and has a different body shape than the pimelodus hybrid (Has less of a torpedo shaped body).

by **Viktor Jarikov** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:37 pm

I have no clue how this works - I've never worked with any official/mod/etc. on adding a new species to Cat-eLog. Naively, I think that since Marc van Arc and Shane are the mods of this forum, you may contact them directly via pm or email and get things going. I am sure Jools and Birger are interested but likely stretched thin... as usual.

That is, of course, assuming you have already done what Birger had told you to from the start.

Even if an expert finds our hybrids to be one of those two that Jools and I pointed out existing in the Cat-eLog, then that entry needs to be completely reworked and expanded anyway and photos added.

Also, I have never ever heard or read of anyone referring to these fish in any other way but a TSN x Leiarius (TSNx Achara) hybrid. There is no challenge to this ID, no ambiguity from the broad community here, MFK, and Waterwolves. This makes me think that this hybrid has nothing to do with the Pimelodus genus, which is involved in the parenting of the two hybrids Jools and I linked from Cat-eLog.

by **Jools** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:41 am

Viktor Jarikov wrote:I have no clue how this works - I've never worked with any official/mod/etc. on adding a new species to Cat-eLog. Naively, I think that since Marc van Arc and Shane are the mods of this forum, you may contact them directly via pm or email and get things going. I am sure Jools and Birger are interested but likely stretched thin... as usual.

Many of the mods can add new species and pictures to the cat-elog an even wider group can edit the species data. But it's really only me or Birger that actually do add species. Marc does a lot of work with synonyms. If you send the pictures to me, along with anything to get added to the species record, I will add them. I need the full name / permission of the photographer. A note, in that email, to the data contained in this thread (or better yet, just copy it in) would help. One thing that makes life hard for me is when something needs done and all the data for it is across several emails and forum posts.

I am reticent to add a new hybrid species entry without pics. I have not taken any pictures from this thread to add the species as it is unclear who they are from and that I have permission to use them as per the usual T&Cs.

Jools

by **Viktor Jarikov** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:05 pm

Jools wrote:Are you sure it's not in the cat-elog already?

I think this question can be considered answered then.

Thanks Jools. Sequoiacat, you can submit all of my pics with yours too, the ones I provided the links to on the 1st page of this thread (not the pics of others which are labeled as such clearly - we cannot use them). PM me your email address and I will send you my pics - cropped up properly and full size. Then you can submit them to Birger or Jools as they described. Don't forget the datasheet from the first page too, so everything is in one email as Jools asks.