Chaetostoma L445?

Did you know fantastic help is an anagram of Planet Catfish? This forum is for those of you with pictures of your catfish who are looking for help identifying them. There are many here to help and a firm ID is the first step towards keeping your catfish in the best conditions.
Post Reply
jodilynn
Posts: 339
Joined: 08 Feb 2013, 16:54
I've donated: $84.00!
My cats species list: 85 (i:0, k:0)
My aquaria list: 8 (i:0)
My Wishlist: 7
Spotted: 41
Location 2: BeeEffaEe, MI

Chaetostoma L445?

Post by jodilynn »

Parson me in advance for the lousy pics as my phone is my only camera...
I don't really like shopping at Petsmart, but occasionally they have good sales and occasionally I find something interesting. They have a pretty steady supply of Bulldog aka Rubbermouth or Rubberlip plecos. I bought a there a while back and (knock on wood) it is doing good.
I had noticed a different looking fellow in the store up in Port Huron, and when I got home kicked myself for not buying it. I have been stalking the local store and sure enough, three of these fellows were there today. This one is in the quarantine tank for now. Just want to verify it is a chaetostoma L445...?
Attachments
20170922_115006.jpg
20170922_115032.jpg
20170922_115153.jpg
User avatar
bekateen
Posts: 8957
Joined: 09 Sep 2014, 17:50
I've donated: $40.00!
My articles: 4
My images: 130
My cats species list: 142 (i:102, k:39)
My aquaria list: 36 (i:13)
My BLogs: 44 (i:149, p:2653)
My Wishlist: 35
Spotted: 177
Location 1: USA, California, Stockton
Location 2: USA, California, Stockton
Contact:

Re: Chaetostoma L445?

Post by bekateen »

Hi jodilynn,

Yes you are correct... The pictures leave room for improvement. :)) (just playing)

Usually the bycatch mixed with formosae at Petco/PetSMART is . But with your pictures, I think L445 (which likely = ) is a better match. Dorsale doesn't have any black spots on the body.

Cheers, Eric
Image
Find me on YouTube and Facebook: http://youtube.com/user/Bekateen1; https://www.facebook.com/Bekateen
Buying caves from https://plecocaves.com? Plecocaves sponsor Bekateen's Fishroom. Use coupon code "bekateen" (no quotes) for 15% off your order.
jodilynn
Posts: 339
Joined: 08 Feb 2013, 16:54
I've donated: $84.00!
My cats species list: 85 (i:0, k:0)
My aquaria list: 8 (i:0)
My Wishlist: 7
Spotted: 41
Location 2: BeeEffaEe, MI

Re: Chaetostoma L445?

Post by jodilynn »

Lol I know my pics suck! 😂

He is an all over light silvery grey with a green sheen and darker blue gray spots.

I will have to look for that third species now! I picked up 4 used tanks for next to nothing so I will be setting up catfish only tanks here soon (I hope).
N0body Of The Goat
Posts: 348
Joined: 27 Oct 2010, 16:14
My cats species list: 25 (i:2, k:5)
My aquaria list: 5 (i:0)
My Wishlist: 1
Spotted: 18
Location 1: Southampton
Location 2: UK
Interests: Sim racing; cycling (ideally not into the back of stationary dustbin lorries located on blind sweeping bends in wet weather, with rim brakes like chocolate teapots)

Re: Chaetostoma L445?

Post by N0body Of The Goat »

Looks like my specimen that came from MartinS on here ~5.5 years ago (and still with me), which I now believe is Chaetostoma joropo.
Dreaming of a full-on 5x2x2 Zaire River rapids biotope...
User avatar
bekateen
Posts: 8957
Joined: 09 Sep 2014, 17:50
I've donated: $40.00!
My articles: 4
My images: 130
My cats species list: 142 (i:102, k:39)
My aquaria list: 36 (i:13)
My BLogs: 44 (i:149, p:2653)
My Wishlist: 35
Spotted: 177
Location 1: USA, California, Stockton
Location 2: USA, California, Stockton
Contact:

Re: Chaetostoma L445?

Post by bekateen »

I'm in Madison, Wisconsin right now for Catfish-Cataclysm. Nearby is a PetSMART, and in spite of all the amazing fish that are for sale here, I couldn't resist stopping in. They have a tank-full of the same joropo-like rubberlips. Now that I've seen them live, I am confirmed in my thought that they don't quite look the same as the L445 I've seen before. The spots are smaller and more densely packed on these fish. So whether or not L445 will prove to joropo (I still think it will), I think these fish are joropo. If there's room in my styro boxes when I go home, I may swing by PetSMART and grab these. I would wait till I got home to look at my local PetSMART, but I've never seen these before in my local stores.

Cheers, Eric
Image
Find me on YouTube and Facebook: http://youtube.com/user/Bekateen1; https://www.facebook.com/Bekateen
Buying caves from https://plecocaves.com? Plecocaves sponsor Bekateen's Fishroom. Use coupon code "bekateen" (no quotes) for 15% off your order.
jodilynn
Posts: 339
Joined: 08 Feb 2013, 16:54
I've donated: $84.00!
My cats species list: 85 (i:0, k:0)
My aquaria list: 8 (i:0)
My Wishlist: 7
Spotted: 41
Location 2: BeeEffaEe, MI

Re: Chaetostoma L445?

Post by jodilynn »

I think I saw a at my fave LFS. But it scooted out of sight before I could get a good look at it. The rest appeared to be the ones like the one I just purchased.

Any ideas about food? I am hoping he ate the zucchini I put in last night. I have a piece of sweet potato, a slice of zucchini, a few peas and a mulberry and catapa leaf in the tank. The stupid Mylasian trumpet snails are in heaven 😒.
User avatar
Shane
Expert
Posts: 4589
Joined: 30 Dec 2002, 22:12
My articles: 69
My images: 161
My catfish: 75
My cats species list: 4 (i:0, k:0)
My aquaria list: 4 (i:4)
Spotted: 99
Location 1: Tysons
Location 2: Virginia
Contact:

Re: Chaetostoma L445?

Post by Shane »

Many Chaetostoma spp will not eat veggies, while others show a strong preference for greens. It is necessary to experiment to find the right foods. I have kept spp that loved frozen foods and spp that would not go near them. I have bred spp on a diet of tetra bits while another sp avoids eating any dry food. Once you figure out what they will eat they are quite hardy.
-Shane
"My journey is at an end and the tale is told. The reader who has followed so faithfully and so far, they have the right to ask, what do I bring back? It can be summed up in three words. Concentrate upon Uganda."
Winston Churchill, My African Journey
User avatar
bekateen
Posts: 8957
Joined: 09 Sep 2014, 17:50
I've donated: $40.00!
My articles: 4
My images: 130
My cats species list: 142 (i:102, k:39)
My aquaria list: 36 (i:13)
My BLogs: 44 (i:149, p:2653)
My Wishlist: 35
Spotted: 177
Location 1: USA, California, Stockton
Location 2: USA, California, Stockton
Contact:

Re: Chaetostoma L445?

Post by bekateen »

Hi All,

Here are the rubber lips at the PetSMART in Madison, Wisconsin. To me, they really look like , and they don't look like .

@Shane, what are your thoughts? Have you seen this particular type of rubber lip before? Do you think they are the same as L445?

Thanks, Eric
Attachments
WP_20170924_13_23_55_Pro.jpg
WP_20170924_13_23_19_Pro.jpg
WP_20170924_13_23_39_Pro.jpg
Image
Find me on YouTube and Facebook: http://youtube.com/user/Bekateen1; https://www.facebook.com/Bekateen
Buying caves from https://plecocaves.com? Plecocaves sponsor Bekateen's Fishroom. Use coupon code "bekateen" (no quotes) for 15% off your order.
User avatar
Shane
Expert
Posts: 4589
Joined: 30 Dec 2002, 22:12
My articles: 69
My images: 161
My catfish: 75
My cats species list: 4 (i:0, k:0)
My aquaria list: 4 (i:4)
Spotted: 99
Location 1: Tysons
Location 2: Virginia
Contact:

Re: Chaetostoma L445?

Post by Shane »

I would bet a beer on joropo. Note the lighter coloration in the upper caudal lobe. This spp gets pretty big and we mainly have pics of large adults so it may take a few months of growth before I would id at a higher level of certainty.
-Shane
"My journey is at an end and the tale is told. The reader who has followed so faithfully and so far, they have the right to ask, what do I bring back? It can be summed up in three words. Concentrate upon Uganda."
Winston Churchill, My African Journey
User avatar
bekateen
Posts: 8957
Joined: 09 Sep 2014, 17:50
I've donated: $40.00!
My articles: 4
My images: 130
My cats species list: 142 (i:102, k:39)
My aquaria list: 36 (i:13)
My BLogs: 44 (i:149, p:2653)
My Wishlist: 35
Spotted: 177
Location 1: USA, California, Stockton
Location 2: USA, California, Stockton
Contact:

Re: Chaetostoma L445?

Post by bekateen »

Okay, thanks Shane...

Wait, a beer that it IS joropo? Or a beer that it isn't?

I understand the message to wait and let them grow before confirmation, but is your bet a hopeful one or a doubtful one?

Cheers, Eric
Image
Find me on YouTube and Facebook: http://youtube.com/user/Bekateen1; https://www.facebook.com/Bekateen
Buying caves from https://plecocaves.com? Plecocaves sponsor Bekateen's Fishroom. Use coupon code "bekateen" (no quotes) for 15% off your order.
N0body Of The Goat
Posts: 348
Joined: 27 Oct 2010, 16:14
My cats species list: 25 (i:2, k:5)
My aquaria list: 5 (i:0)
My Wishlist: 1
Spotted: 18
Location 1: Southampton
Location 2: UK
Interests: Sim racing; cycling (ideally not into the back of stationary dustbin lorries located on blind sweeping bends in wet weather, with rim brakes like chocolate teapots)

Re: Chaetostoma L445?

Post by N0body Of The Goat »

@bekateen The specimens in that those recent photos look like my one that came from MartinS in 2012, which I believe is . The tell-tale signs for me of this species is densely packed, round black spots over a vast majority of their upper body, with a white patch that extends forwards from their under-slung mouth to the upper front section.

My specimen was at least 5cm SL in 2012, he (I think it has extended fins and often rests on the underside of a large piece of bogwood fanning, not that I've ever seen eggs) is now at least 9cm SL. He is ~2cm longer than my two possible (they have square spots over most of rear ~66% of their upper body) and dwarves my ~5cm SL , just like my ~5cm SL that sadly passed away earlier this summer after having it a few years.
Dreaming of a full-on 5x2x2 Zaire River rapids biotope...
User avatar
Shane
Expert
Posts: 4589
Joined: 30 Dec 2002, 22:12
My articles: 69
My images: 161
My catfish: 75
My cats species list: 4 (i:0, k:0)
My aquaria list: 4 (i:4)
Spotted: 99
Location 1: Tysons
Location 2: Virginia
Contact:

Re: Chaetostoma L445?

Post by Shane »

That it is Eric.
-Shane
"My journey is at an end and the tale is told. The reader who has followed so faithfully and so far, they have the right to ask, what do I bring back? It can be summed up in three words. Concentrate upon Uganda."
Winston Churchill, My African Journey
jodilynn
Posts: 339
Joined: 08 Feb 2013, 16:54
I've donated: $84.00!
My cats species list: 85 (i:0, k:0)
My aquaria list: 8 (i:0)
My Wishlist: 7
Spotted: 41
Location 2: BeeEffaEe, MI

Re: Chaetostoma L445?

Post by jodilynn »

Ok, so the consensus is that these particular Pet Smart specimens are in fact C. joropo?

Both this one and my C. formosae seem to be big fans of zucchini. I have put various algae, spirulina and zucchini tabs in, as well as something called "Bug Bites" that I found that are supposed to be excellent for plecos. Also occassionally throw in brine shrimp or shrimp tablets.

He doesn't seem anymore robust than when I got him, but he is hanging in there.

I may have a pleco addiction...
N0body Of The Goat
Posts: 348
Joined: 27 Oct 2010, 16:14
My cats species list: 25 (i:2, k:5)
My aquaria list: 5 (i:0)
My Wishlist: 1
Spotted: 18
Location 1: Southampton
Location 2: UK
Interests: Sim racing; cycling (ideally not into the back of stationary dustbin lorries located on blind sweeping bends in wet weather, with rim brakes like chocolate teapots)

Re: Chaetostoma L445?

Post by N0body Of The Goat »

Here's the two best photos I've managed to get so far of MartinS' old Chaetostoma, that I believe is a C. joropo...

Image

Image

Using https://ctrlq.org/google/photos/ to allow shared Google Photo images to be embedded in forums.
Dreaming of a full-on 5x2x2 Zaire River rapids biotope...
Post Reply

Return to “What is my catfish?”