Pseudopimelodus synonyms...

[MatsP]

I think we need to update the synonyms - Pseudopimelodus zungaro appear to be rather "popular" - there are, I think, three different species that have at one point or another been assigned that name.

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Mats

[Jools]

I think we need to update the synonyms - Pseudopimelodus zungaro appear to be rather "popular" - there are, I think, three different species that have at one point or another been assigned that name.

I think this post should be in the bugs forum....

Jools

[MatsP]

Yes, moved...

From:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... 41#p225924

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Mats

[Marc van Arc]

I think we need to update the synonyms - Pseudopimelodus zungaro appear to be rather "popular" - there are, I think, three different species that have at one point or another been assigned that name.

I think this post should be in the bugs forum....

I don't quite get what you mean, Mats, but the synonym "Pseudopimelodus zungaro" already sits in the data sheet of

Zungaro zungaro

I'd have to check, but afaik this synonym only belongs to Zungaro zungaro. If other catfishes were named as such, they are just misapplied names and therefore no official synonyms - implying they can't be added as synonyms.
You could, however, make a note in General remarks.

[MatsP]

Catalog of fishes certainly list

bufonius, Pimelodus Valenciennes [A.] in Cuvier & Valenciennes 1840:154 [Histoire naturelle des poissons. v. 15; ref. 1008] Probably Cayenne, French Guiana. Holotype (unique): RMNH (lost). Type information: Boeseman 1972:295 [ref. 19698]. Type catalog: Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]. For locality information see Boeseman 1972:295 [ref. 19698]. •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1833), but a valid subspecies -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860], Galvis et al. 1997:69 [ref. 23651]). •Valid as Pseudopimelodus bufonius (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Grant 1999:50 [ref. 24295], Le Bail et al. 2000:110 [ref. 24549], Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:403 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Valid as Pseudopimelodus bufonius (Valenciennes 1840). Pseudopimelodidae. Distribution: Rivers of northeastern South America from Lake Maracaibo basin to eastern Brazil: Brazil, Colombia, French Guiana, Suriname, Venezuela and Guyana. Habitat: freshwater.

charus, Pimelodus Valenciennes [A.] in Cuvier & Valenciennes 1840:159 [Histoire naturelle des poissons. v. 15; ref. 1008] Sabara River, Brazil. No types known. Type catalog: Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29166]. •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1833) subspecies bufonis (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860], Galvis et al. 1997:69 [ref. 23651]). •Valid as Pseudopimelodus charus (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Grant 1999:51 [ref. 24295], Britski 2001:20 [ref. 26046], Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:403 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Valid as Pseudopimelodus charus (Valenciennes 1840). Pseudopimelodidae. Distribution: São Francisco River basin, Brazil. Habitat: freshwater.

mangurus, Pimelodus Valenciennes [A.] 1835:no p., Pl. 1 (figs. 4-6) [Voyage dans l'Amérique méridionale.; ref. 20720] Río de la Plata, Argentina. Holotype (unique): MNHN A-8401. Valenciennes specimen: MNHN A-9417 (1, dry). Type catalog: Bertin & Estève 1950:55 [ref. 19575] with syntypes; technically the figured specimen is the holotype; Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29166]. Name available from plate, description in Valenciennes 1847:7 [ref. 5010], as Pimelodus manguru. See also Cuvier & Valenciennes 1840:156 [ref. 1008]. Pl. 1 was published in 1835. Figured specimen identified as MNHN A-8401 by Grant 1999:56 [ref. 24295], but he incorrectly named it the lectotype -- it is the holotype. •Valid as Zungaro mangurus (Valenciennes 1836) -- (Grant 1999:56 [ref. 24295]). •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1821), but a valid subspecies -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860], López et al. 2003:60 [ref. 27366]). • Valid as Pseudopimelodus mangurus (Valenciennes 1835) -- (Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:403 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Valid as Pseudopimelodus mangurus (Valenciennes 1835). Pseudopimelodidae. Distribution: Uruguay, Paraná, Paraguay and La Plata River basins: Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay. Habitat: freshwater.

pulcher, Pimelodus (Pseudopimelodus) Boulenger [G. A.] 1887:276, Pl. 21 (fig. 1) [Proceedings of the General Meetings for Scientific Business of the Zoological Society of London 1887 (pt 2); ref. 532] Canelos, eastern Ecuador. Syntypes: BMNH 1880.12.8.105-107 (3). Type catalog: Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29166]. •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1833) -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860]). •Questionably a synonym of Pseudopimelodus charus (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Grant 1999:51 [ref. 24295]). •Valid as Pseudopimelodus pulcher (Boulenger 1887) -- (Ortega & Vari 1986:15 [ref. 9708], Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:404 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Valid as Pseudopimelodus pulcher (Boulenger 1887). Pseudopimelodidae. Distribution: Upper Amazon River basin: Brazil and Ecuador. Habitat: freshwater.

roosevelti, Pseudopimelodus Borodin [N. A.] 1927:1, Fig. 1 [American Museum Novitates No. 266; ref. 12246] Parassununga, São Paulo State, Brazil. Holotype: AMNH 8638. Paratypes: AMNH 26942 [ex 8638a] (1); DZSASP [now MZUSP, ex AMNH 8638b] (1, not found). Type catalog: Britski 1969:200 [ref. 12401], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29166]. •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1833), subspecies mangurus (Valenciennes 1836) -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860]). •Questionably a synonym of Pseudopimelodus charus (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Grant 1999:51 [ref. 24295]). •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus mangurus (Valenciennes 1835) -- (Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:403 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Synonym of Pseudopimelodus mangurus (Valenciennes 1835). Pseudopimelodidae. Habitat: freshwater.

variolosus, Pseudopimelodus Miranda Ribeiro [A. de] 1914:4, Pls. 1 (fig. 2), 2 (figs. 1-2) [Loricariidae, Callichthyidae, Doradidae e Trichomycteridae. In: Commissão de Linhas Telegraphicas Estrategicas de Matto-Grosso ao Amazonas Annexo no. 5; ref. 17771] Coxim, Rio Taquary, Mato Grosso State, Brazil. Lectotype: MNRJ 818A. Paralectotypes: (6) MNRJ 818 (2). Type catalog: Miranda Ribeiro 1953:404 [ref. 12732], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29166]. Lectotype designated by Miranda Ribeiro 1953:404 [ref. 12732] [but perhaps specimen not isolated]. •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1833) -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860]). •Questionably a synonym of Pseudopimelodus charus (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Grant 1999:51 [ref. 24295]). •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus pulcher (Boulenger 1887) -- (Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:404 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Synonym of Pseudopimelodus pulcher (Boulenger 1887). Pseudopimelodidae. Habitat: freshwater.

If I've misunderstood this [and admittedly, it seems like Fishbase doesn't list any synonyms for P. bufonius (opther than Pimelodus bufonius)], then I do apologise and look forward to knowing how I got this wrong...

And if I'm wrong, I expect we should add "Sometimes sold under the incorrectly used scientific name of P. zungaro, which is really a synonym of the much larger Zungaro zungaro" to the datasheet - unless we expect this to be a singular mistake, but I seem to remember having seen this before...

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[Marc van Arc]

roosevelti, Pseudopimelodus Borodin [N. A.] 1927:1, Fig. 1 [American Museum Novitates No. 266; ref. 12246] Parassununga, São Paulo State, Brazil. Holotype: AMNH 8638. Paratypes: AMNH 26942 [ex 8638a] (1); DZSASP [now MZUSP, ex AMNH 8638b] (1, not found). Type catalog: Britski 1969:200 [ref. 12401], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29166]. •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1833), subspecies mangurus (Valenciennes 1836) -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860]). •Questionably a synonym of Pseudopimelodus charus (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Grant 1999:51 [ref. 24295]). •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus mangurus (Valenciennes 1835) -- (Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:403 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Synonym of Pseudopimelodus mangurus (Valenciennes 1835). Pseudopimelodidae. Habitat: freshwater.

If I've misunderstood this [and admittedly, it seems like Fishbase doesn't list any synonyms for P. bufonius (opther than Pimelodus bufonius)], then I do apologise and look forward to knowing how I got this wrong...

And if I'm wrong, I expect we should add "Sometimes sold under the incorrectly used scientific name of P. zungaro, which is really a synonym of the much larger Zungaro zungaro" to the datasheet - unless we expect this to be a singular mistake, but I seem to remember having seen this before...

As I see it:
Top left: (a) species name
This species was at a certain point in time regarded as a synonym of P. zungaro
Bottom: current status of P. roosevelti (being a synonym for P. mangurus)

The problem you (and I) walk into is that one would expect that the name Pseudopimelodus zungaro (which is a synonym itself) would have been replaced by its valid name, being Zungaro zungaro.
But to be honest, that goes a bit too deep for me.
Maybe one of our learned members could explain?

Btw: what also strikes me is that FB states 1821 for Humboldt's description, wheras CoF has 1833

[MatsP]

CoF actually has Humboldt 1821 and 1833 - I think there are two different papers.

I'm 100% sure the Green name is the "original described name".

But I see what you say, that almost all Pseudopimelodus got lumped as what we now call Zungaro zungaro, but then split (which makes sense as they don't grow to the same size and aren't patterned at all the same way...)

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Mats

[Marc van Arc]

I'm 100% sure the Green name is the "original described name".

That's correct.

[MatsP]

So, is this one resolved?

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Mats