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Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 19:09
by Viktor Jarikov
Wesley Wong of Rare Fish kindly sent me these 4 fish, which he called Trachydoras paraguayensis. Neither FishBase nor Planet Catfish have any photos. Could someone, please, confirm or refute the ID? All 4 fish are about 3" TL.

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 19:10
by Viktor Jarikov
couple more shots front and dorsal

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 18 Aug 2015, 03:36
by Silurus
This could just as well be .

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 18 Aug 2015, 13:07
by Richard B
Super looking fish Viktor

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 18 Aug 2015, 18:56
by Viktor Jarikov
Thanks guys. Would it help distinguish (if need still be) between paraguayensis and nattereri if I asked Wesley where the fish were collected?

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 18 Aug 2015, 20:12
by Jools
Yes, it might.

Jools

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 20 Aug 2015, 22:52
by Viktor Jarikov
Will ask when get a chance.

Also I wanted to mention that the fish do not look as reddish / brownish in their tank as above. I have not gotten the lights up yet so the tank is dim but FWIW they look less distinctive, muddy brownish, dark greyish kind. Likely what's seen above are the prettier stressed colors.

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 10 Sep 2015, 20:43
by Viktor Jarikov
All Wes told is that "The fish come from Argentina/Paraguay, so the export is limited, probably the reason why you don't see them often."

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 22 Sep 2015, 22:00
by Viktor Jarikov
Was this of any help in the ID?

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 09 Dec 2016, 14:30
by Viktor Jarikov
Jools and all, does the collection info Wesley Wong provided help?

Should we pen it down as nattereri per Silurus and close this file for now?

Here is an updated video of two survivors 16 months later with more natural coloration, not so red.



MFK sister thread: https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/foru ... st-7628942

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 16 Dec 2016, 13:20
by Viktor Jarikov
Bump for attention of experts.

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 29 Dec 2016, 15:53
by Viktor Jarikov
I will call them nattereri per Silurus then for my humble intents and purposes.

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 30 Dec 2016, 16:25
by kruseman
Is this their tank?

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 31 Dec 2016, 01:32
by Viktor Jarikov
If you mean the video, yes. 240 gal, 8'x2'x2'.

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 31 Dec 2016, 20:40
by kruseman
Okay.
I can imagine these fish would like some substrate on the bottom like sand or gravel.

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 31 Dec 2016, 23:58
by Viktor Jarikov
Most fish would and these too but I physically cannot do it. I hope they adapt adequately.

Re: Trachydoras paraguayensis?

Posted: 18 Jun 2017, 21:28
by Viktor Jarikov
Update on two surviving specimen, June 14, 2017. Second one died of an unknown reason - stopped feeding or fed poorly for many months, got thin, then perished.

Can spot them in this video: