Imported as Ancistrus bodenhameri from Petra Aqua. Now spawned!

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Babies are coloring up quickly.
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They're looking great Eric congrats!
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Thanks seb47! :-)

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Babies are starting to leave the corners of the basket and explore the Magnolia leaves.
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About 17 days old. The biggest baby is about 15mm SL, (I say about because I don't know if I measured the largest fish).

Today I moved them from my Imagitarium-brand fry basket to one of the Swiss Tropicals breeder rings that I got at CatCon last weekend.

Sure is easier to see them now!

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They spawned again last night, 28 days after the previous spawn. Meanwhile, the fry from the first spawn are doing well. No deaths.

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Dang it. Got home from work this evening and found dad alone in cave. I did find the eggs loose in the tank. Added them to a fry ring with previous fry. Will try to set the eggs up on their own; don't want older fry to eat them.
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Update on the development. Dang these fish have an amorphous, indistinct color pattern. But what is clear is a distinct white margin on the caudal fin and dark spots all long the lateral midline.

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The second clutch of eggs are now hatching.
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Been a while since I updated. Without explanation, one of the older fry died in the breeder ring. It had no signs of deformity and it was eating well. Of the fry from the second spawn, I had several die within a few days of hatching. Maybe the older fry were bullying the younger hatchlings? I don't know, but the both spawns, in the same breeding ring, seem to be doing okay now.

Only other recent development is that I just discovered one solitary older fry loose in the tank. I presume it hatched from one of the loose eggs in the first spawn and that the egg must have been lost by dad when he kicked (what I thought was) one egg out - I saw only one loose egg outside the cave and I consolidated it in the breeder ring, but obviously I missed this one. What I find interesting is that this loose baby is much darker than the other young in the fry ring. Apparently the overhead lighting really causes the babies in the breeder ring to get pale.

Looking ahead with anticipation:
  • The first spawn was Sept 22, a Thursday.
  • The second spawn was Oct 20, another Thursday exactly 4 weeks after the first time.
  • For the last 2-3 days, a male has been in the spawning cave alone, but he has his tail dangling out of the cave like he's trying to lure the female.
If the four week cycle holds up, I'll have more eggs Thursday night this week. Fingers crossed!

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bekateen wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:00 pmLooking ahead with anticipation:
  • The first spawn was Sept 22, a Thursday.
  • The second spawn was Oct 20, another Thursday exactly 4 weeks after the first time.
  • For the last 2-3 days, a male has been in the spawning cave alone, but he has his tail dangling out of the cave like he's trying to lure the female.
If the four week cycle holds up, I'll have more eggs Thursday night this week. Fingers crossed!

Cheers, Eric
Well, overnight Thursday came and went, but there are no new eggs this morning, and I've seen no trapping recently. However, the second male has also taking up residence in an adjacent cave, and both males are dangling their tails out trying to attract the only female in the tank. Hopefully another spawn is still on the horizon.

And unrelated, here's a recent photo of the biggest male.

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I don't know if they ever spawned two weeks ago (on a 28 day schedule), but I did find at least two young babies swimming around the tank.
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Either more eggs escaped the cave on spawn #2 (although these babies were noticeably smaller than the 1 month old fry in my breeder ring), or one of the adult pairs spawned without using a cave. I'm leaning towards the former but can't rule out the latter.

All that aside, two days ago I did find the biggest spawn yet (about 50 eggs) in a cave.
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And now the oldest fry (just over 2 months old) are 25 mm SL.
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Third batch of eggs hatched this morning.
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New spawn last night!
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1st spawn, Sep 22
  • 28 day interval
2nd spawn, Oct 20
  • 37 day interval
3rd spawn, Nov 26
  • 22 day interval
4th spawn, Dec 18

Simultaneously with each passing spawn after spawn #1, I find a few stray very small fry in the tanks about a week later. I assume the mom and dad are just sloppy and lose a few eggs. But every time? I have to wonder if the second pair of adults is spawning somewhere other than in one of the caves.

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Congrats! What's the first spawn looking like now? Are there many nooks and crannies you can't see?
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seb47 wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:25 pm Congrats! What's the first spawn looking like now? Are there many nooks and crannies you can't see?
There's nooks and crannies, but even worse there's a pile of Java moss. Almost impossible to see in the tank much. But here's some frame grabs from a video of the oldest fry (first spawn) swimming loose in the tank.

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Looking good! The fry have pretty distinct honeycomb looking patterns are they all faded on the parents?
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Mostly yes. On a good day you can see the pattern on adults. Actually the most notable nice feature of the adults is a green iridescence.

Sadly, the adults are very secretive and I struggle to get good photos of them.

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I left town on January 5th for vacation in New Orleans. I didn't get to any LFS in New Orleans, but we did find one when we took a day drive to Mobile Alabama (B & B Pet Stop, Inc., 5035 Cottage Hill Rd, Mobile, AL 36609), where I found some whiptails that I bought on a whim, thinking they aren't more R. eigenmanni (although now I think they probably are- dang it).

No matter, I got home last night to discover freshly hatched baby Ancistrus aff. bodenhameri. This is the fifth spawn, and based on how much yolk the fry have (pretty much all their yolk), I can estimate that the parents spawned on January 6th or 7th (since I was home on the 5th and they hadn't yet spawned).
  • 1st spawn, Sep 22
    • 28 day interval
  • 2nd spawn, Oct 20
    • 37 day interval
  • 3rd spawn, Nov 26
    • 22 day interval
  • 4th spawn, Dec 18
    • 19 or 20 day interval
  • 5th spawn, Jan 6 or 7
The between spawn intervals are all over the place. I can't tell if it's just that there is one spawning couple and their spawnings are affected by semi-random activities (such as my own activity in the room, water changes, etc.) or if both adult couples are spawning and therefore there's no coordination between the spawns since they are different couples.

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