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kruseman wrote:Well, in that case: A friend is visiting Zoo Zajac tomorrow and I am about to ask him to look for possible remaining Tatia concolor. A wise idea or not?

They should be in the Angelfish/scalare rack. Left side tank at eye level. Tank has a name tag which says "Tatia aulopygia". They were hiding in an artificial piece of wood. Two males, one female.
And if you decide to take them (do so!!), pls quarantine for a while. Good luck!

uhuh

Kruse, you don't want the whole tank dead either.......

at least 2 weeks quarantaine.
usually I'm not for preventive beds; because massive overkill on preventive meds by the wholesalers and LFS is what has gotten us in the whole mess
but in this case; I'd say: use protazol.

if you don't want to do that, it's better if you don't buy these fish at all.

Wouldn't also UV filtration for a week and then off for a week work in quarantine without the meds?

Jools

UV might work or at least help a lot

I don't know however if Arjan has an UV set-up

Marc does not; I only installed one on my showtank after/during the mass death of my Tanganyikan hobby.

I used it, but it didn't help much with the ich outbreak last winter.
you can't filter all the water through it; it always mixes with parasite-infected water in the tank.

when enough fishes are infected the mass swarms of ich larvae in the tank are diminished but not eradicated by it.

it's a good solution to help prevent diseases; but once a disease explodes in a tank UV is too little, too late.

I do not own a UV setup either, Lex. But I do have 3 Centromochlus concolor atm!
Literally jumped in the air when the bag with the 2 males and 1 female was handled over.

They look healthy. Even after having a very close look I cannot find any spots what so ever.

They indeed shared a tank with Angelfish and characins at Zoo Zajacs, but according to my aquariummate (who really knows where to look), all the tankmates looked fine.

However; I am taking no riks at all: They are in a small quarantinetank for the time being.I rinsed the net and bucket I used with boiling water and about 1/2 kilo of NaCl. Just to be sure...Now I worry about washing my hands...

I'll wait a couple of weeks with joining them with other fish.

Now I am going to take some pictures and have a closer look at the Cat e-log to find out what species this can be.

I may not have UV, but I do have some good news: it seems things are returning to normal in the medium tank. I just fed and the catfishes I saw were doing fine. All spots have vanished, even from the ultimate disease-magnets Auchenipterus nigripinnis. That's one auchenipterid I wouldn't recommend to anyone.... I will have a look at T. taeniatus later on after lights out.
Will keep monitoring of course; don't want to be "surprised" again.
One a side note: the Markiana nigripinnis (not related) are growing quickly all of a sudden. They are lovely characins.

kruseman wrote:But I do have 3 Centromochlus concolor atm!

Ha, I'm probably as happy as you are that you've bought them!

kruseman wrote:They look healthy. Even after having a very close look I cannot find any spots what so ever.

Same with mine. But somehow the whole thing ended up in a mess. No quarantine......

kruseman wrote:However; I am taking no riks at all: They are in a small quarantinetank for the time being.

Good thing (see above). Make sure you put a lid on it to prevent them from jumping out.

kruseman wrote:I'll wait a couple of weeks with joining them with other fish.

Let me know once they've settled in; I'll pay them a visit.

kruseman wrote:Now I am going to take some pictures and have a closer look at the Cat e-log to find out what species this can be.

I doubt that the Clog will be of any use in this case, but take those pictures and show them here!

Thanks Marc. You're always welcome. Somehow it feels a bit strange: You wanting these fish as well, yours are dead and here I am screaming out loud how glad I am with this new asset.

I am putting them in a larger Q-aquarium at the moment. Took some pictures, but they are lousy. I am going to ask a friend with a) the right camera and b) the skills to make some decent pictures.

I don't have Protazol in tha house right now, but might pay a visit to the LFS tomorrow. It is pretty strong stuff. The fish look fine as I mentioned before. Is it possible they carry ich-flagelates without noticing? If they are fine I am not going to put any meds in the tank.

kruseman wrote:Thanks Marc. You're always welcome. Somehow it feels a bit strange: You wanting these fish as well, yours are dead and here I am screaming out loud how glad I am with this new asset.

That doesn't mean I can't be happy for someone else. Moreover, the fact that you bought them will at least give me an opportunity to see them again. And I think they've found a very good home!

kruseman wrote:I don't have Protazol in the house right now, but might pay a visit to the LFS tomorrow. It is pretty strong stuff. The fish look fine as I mentioned before. Is it possible they carry ich-flagelates without noticing? If they are fine I am not going to put any meds in the tank.

I'm no fan of preventive medication either (nor of Q-tanks) but you saw what happened....
I understand your doubts and hope Alex will chime in to explain to some further extent.

Btw: PM sent wrt phone conversation.

Marc van Arc wrote:I do have some good news: it seems things are returning to normal in the medium tank. I just fed and the catfishes I saw were doing fine. All spots have vanished

That's really good news. I hope your T Taniatus is in the clear too.

Thanks Richard, and yes, they seem okay too. The "former" Glanidium leopardum (now Tatia dunni) is fine as well. The only species I can't check are those elusive Auchenipterinae sp. Guyana, which are still very reluctant to leave their piece of wood. May be a good sign though.

Fwiw: although my first thoughts were to replace all (as far as possible) small tank species, I've now decided it may be better to divide the medium tank species over the two tanks. In due course, of course.

So far I didn't notice anything strange in the large tank - hope it stays that way.

Shot taken on arrival.

i can tell the male is ontop, but these resemble t. intermedius (sorry if that was spelt wrong) with some washed out color.

I am off to check the catelog again to view differences...

nvcichlids wrote:i can tell the male is on top, but these resemble T. intermedia with some washed out color. I am off to check the catelog again to view differences...

Sorry to say so, but the differences between the 2 species should be clear imo. Or maybe I misunderstand your remark?

Thanks Richard, and yes, they seem okay too. The "former" Glanidium leopardum (now Tatia dunni) is fine as well. The only species I can't check are those elusive Auchenipterinae sp. Guyana, which are still very reluctant to leave their piece of wood. May be a good sign though.

Fwiw: although my first thoughts were to replace all (as far as possible) small tank species, I've now decided it may be better to divide the medium tank species over the two tanks. In due course, of course.

So far I didn't notice anything strange in the large tank - hope it stays that way.

good news!

already thought about the 2 possible scenario's in a few weeks?

1: split the population of the small tank and share it over the 2 small tanks

2; keep the small tank up and running as a quarantaine tank to avoid a follow-up of this disaster

for several species the first scenario wouldbe a good one; Auchenipterus, Tracheliopterichthys, Markiana....
but common sense would say scenario 2 is the way to go.

Marc van Arc wrote:

nvcichlids wrote:i can tell the male is on top, but these resemble T. intermedia with some washed out color. I am off to check the catelog again to view differences...

Sorry to say so, but the differences between the 2 species should be clear imo. Or maybe I misunderstand your remark?

WOW... the computer I was on over the weekend's monitor must be shot as looking on my home one this morning it is clear..

I feel foolish now

sidguppy wrote:already thought about the 2 possible scenario's in a few weeks?
1: split the population of the small tank and share it over the 2 small tanks
2: keep the small tank up and running as a quarantaine tank to avoid a follow-up of this disaster

for several species the first scenario wouldbe a good one: Auchenipterus, Trachelyopterichthys, Markiana....but common sense would say scenario 2 is the way to go

As I'm not really renowned for my common sense, I think it's going to be scenario 1.
Advantages:
- the fishes will have more room
- I will be forced NOT to visit any LFS for quite some time and - although it will be tough - I will sustain.





Btw: I'm going to Berlin next weekend; does anyone know a good LFS around there?

Berlin!

how did THAT happen, so all of a sudden?
school trip?

ever been there?
because Berlin is quite lively. there's a couple of great bsrs that are really nice
in one of them -a rockbar wich played loads of 70-80's rock- I was steadily drowning myself in large beers* and at one point asked the bartender when he would close the bar.
he said and I quote (although transdlated) "when you stop drinking!"
it was past 5.30 in the morning.......


*Germans believe in quantity. the Irish and British have pints wich already is much much better than the teeny sissy glasses full of foam they sell here.
but the Germans have the metric system and go for 1 liter glasses

that's why a good beerstein or a German beermug has a handle......
otherwise you'd break your wrist

it's also still Oktober, and that's THE "beermonth" in Germany

fish stores?
we don't need no fish stores in BERLIN!


btw check the Berlin Zoo.
the aquarium is something you don't wanna miss, really.

Form my experience, the best beer is in southern Germany, such as Munich.

May be better to post in Speak Easy, as the German speakers are perhaps more likely to read there than hidden inside a 1100+ post thread... ;)

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Mats

just wanted to note i ordered my 8 c. perugiae's today...

nvcichlids wrote:just wanted to note i ordered my 8 c. perugiae's today...

Hope you'll receive them shortly and in good health.

they shipped out at 1pm today and the eta for tomorrow is before 10 am.. so I took the day off to ensure they get in in good condition..

they arrived in great condition, just waiting for them to acclimate to the temp, then will work on getting pictures posted of all 8

Hi!!

Nice to hear they made it safe to your place!!
they are really great little fish
here is a pic of one of my 6 Tatia dunni...a male


also a few pic of my paire Auchenipterichthys coracoideus, the female is a bit skinny, I shall see how she is eating and make sure not to lose her as I really love these beautiful and peaceful Auchenipteridae...





Cheers
Yann

Yann wrote:also a few pic of my paire Auchenipterichthys coracoideus, the female is a bit skinny, I shall see how she is eating and make sure not to lose her as I really love these beautiful and peaceful Auchenipteridae...

Hi Yann,
By the looks of them they seem an old pair and indeed the female could do with some food. Is she in a tank with a lot of food competition?

I think I can now safely assume that the medium tank is safe. No more victims since October 4, no more spots whatsoever, fishes eating, hiding and apparently quite happy, which allows me to close this rather black chapter of my fish keeping career. Thanks everybody for the tips and support!

Marc, glad to hear.

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Mats

MatsP wrote:Marc, glad to hear.

Ditto.

thats great to hear mark, hopefully we will be able to get your populations back up

I received two gravid females with my cent. perugiae's... what can I do (what type of cave(?)) Should I supply to try and help them along?