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Male acquired!

Gonna try to get more views of him as he settles

Put me down for some fry!
-Shane

He has settled in, hes way less shy than the female is as well.
I have to say, I love the way the texture on the skin shines on these guys. Makes them almost look gilded with gold. They're "plain" at first appearance, but are subtly really beautiful plecos. Very happy I decided to pick them up.

My L240 doesn't seem bothered to have them in the same tank either, he sticks to his own area and they dont go near him. They prefer to stay on the driftwood, while my L240 likes his cave area.

Looks great! Good luck with them.

Cheers, Eric

I've added these pictures, with a degree of discomfort, into the entry. The belly patterning bothers me - while patterning is sometimes initially emboldened in preserved fishes, much less so on soft skin.

I could add a note to these ones noting they are closer to the description of A. bodenhameri? Or go "full schultzi" and just split out the species. Would welcome a discussion.

Cheers,

Jools

Jools wrote: 24 Oct 2021, 09:40 I've added these pictures, with a degree of discomfort, into the

Ancistrus martini

entry. The belly patterning bothers me - while patterning is sometimes initially emboldened in preserved fishes, much less so on soft skin.

I could add a note to these ones noting they are closer to the description of A. bodenhameri? Or go "full schultzi" and just split out the species. Would welcome a discussion.

Cheers,

Jools

If it helps, I have a new photo of the male on the glass, he's got some faint markings but hard to see.

That really does help, is that the same fish as the pic we used (perhaps that was the female)?

Jools

My own two cents is not to put them in as a known described sp. I would add them as Ancistrus sp # and note the trade name they were imported under and that they may be one of the described spp from that drainage but we can't make offer a definitive identification without verified provenience information.
-Shane

Jools wrote: 27 Oct 2021, 10:06 That really does help, is that the same fish as the pic we used (perhaps that was the female)?

Jools

The other one was the female.

Shane wrote: 27 Oct 2021, 10:51 My own two cents is not to put them in as a known described sp. I would add them as Ancistrus sp # and note the trade name they were imported under and that they may be one of the described spp from that drainage but we can't make offer a definitive identification without verified provenience information.
-Shane

Jools wrote: 27 Oct 2021, 10:06 That really does help, is that the same fish as the pic we used (perhaps that was the female)?

Jools

New photos.

This is the female underbelly. No markings on her
And the male. What's interesting is his blending colour change... on wood he's dark but on sand he gets reticulated spots on him. And video of the female

Just one point to note, as I know it is happening here. Stores (and I accidentally) have found that if they breed male cirrhosis with female l044a it produces brown fish with a much stronger reticulated pattern. Just what we need, more bn types (not), although I am confident this is not what you have.

Apologies, put l044a meaning the blue eyed lemon we call l144a ( albeit not the original)

bekateen wrote: 30 Sep 2021, 01:39

Jools wrote: 24 Oct 2021, 09:40

Shane wrote: 27 Oct 2021, 10:51

Alright, digging this up, as they've been doing great. Probably my favorite ancistrus by far. They're just so docile compared to my cf cirrhosis lol very mild mannered fish, get along fantastic with my farlowella and l240 as well as the cories and Bolivian ram.

But, wanted to share updated photos. Female has not changed in appearance at all. Male, he's developed beautifully, he's got a really beautiful red-gold shine to him, and fine spotted fins when they're flared open. Even some red tones in the fins too.

Male:
Female:
Bekateen, do these compare to the fish you purchased as "bodenhameri"?

As a total aside, did you know there are now two species of , look for long caudal fin extensions and caudal peduncle shading for the new sp. Just got this in before anyone replies about the , so hope not interrupting the flow too much.

Cheers,

Jools

Jools wrote: 15 Nov 2022, 09:04 As a total aside, did you know there are now two species of

Bolivian Ram

, look for long caudal fin extensions and caudal peduncle shading for the new sp. Just got this in before anyone replies about the

BN

, so hope not interrupting the flow too much.

Cheers,

Jools

Wasn't aware of this, no! He's not the most cooperative fish for photos. Ironically he gets excited when he sees the phone so doesn't sit still. Does this cute little head shaking to my phone and my finger.

We had another, but this guy apparently didn't like them and it didn't end well. So stays solo, doesn't seem to mind.

MissNoodle wrote: 15 Nov 2022, 09:16Wasn't aware of this, no!
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I am not certain, as your fish maybe has a bit of growing to do, but I'm leaning towards you fish being the new species. Check out and .

Cheers,

Jools

PS Normal pl*co service can now resume.

Male has been staking out caves, been kicking my L240 out of his cave, so I added lots more for them to pick from, and since he's staked claim to the smallest one and the female has also begun showing interest in him in the cave.

Photo of him stealing the old cave from my L240 lol

And eggs.

Excellent! Congratulations!

Cheers, Eric

Photos from the first week:
And most recent, today, at 41 days old:

I'd like to revisit this again. If I've got it right we have this species in the cat-elog as - but the pics don't look quite like the one pictured? If so, while not assigning it to a described species, what do we think about calling it A. aff. bodenhameri?

Jools

Jools wrote: 16 Aug 2023, 12:46 I'd like to revisit this again. If I've got it right we have this species in the cat-elog as

Ancistrus sp(8)

- but the pics don't look quite like the one pictured? If so, while not assigning it to a described species, what do we think about calling it A. aff. bodenhameri?

Jools

Hi Jools,

No this is the wrong fish. Except for the lack of abdominal mottling, these do look similar to and (and unrelated, they resemble my now-deceased , although I don't know if these will grow as large as mine had).

The fish called are my fish, which my LFS imported from Petra Aqua as Ancistrus bodenhameri, but bears no resemblance to the original description of A. bodenhameri. My fish look like the fish we've called here . The Ancistrus sp(8) thread is here: https://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/vie ... hp?t=50536

Cheers, Eric

Here's a more recent baby pic if that helps at all

Casscats wrote: 17 Aug 2023, 00:23 Here's a more recent baby pic if that helps at all

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Now that looks very much like my fish, except that it's what my ADULT fish look like, and even after all these months, my adults are still only 5-6cm SL. And my fish, juvies and adults, are distinctly green irridescent.

Casscats, how long are your largest adults?

Cheers, Eric

bekateen wrote: 17 Aug 2023, 00:36

Casscats wrote: 17 Aug 2023, 00:23 Here's a more recent baby pic if that helps at all

20230814_223645.jpg

Now that looks very much like my fish, except that it's what my ADULT fish look like, and even after all these months, my adults are still only 5-6cm SL. And my fish, juvies and adults, are distinctly green irridescent.

Casscats, how long are your largest adults?

Cheers, Eric

The male looks to be about 3-3.5 inches (8-9cm SL) nose to base of caudal. Maybe 4-4.5inch with tail.

Here's a photo of him recently with a mature sterbai in the background for size reference. One thing that stands apart on mine is they have the white tips on the tail and dorsal as a mature adult too. The female is about 1 inch smaller.

About thirty years ago there were Bushy Nose Plecos - (Ancistris spp) in Australia that had very long and double branched, possibly triple branched bristles. A huge mass of pronounced impressive headgear. Some of the older text books and fish magazines might have examples. Australia would follow world wide fish trends back then. Unfortunately they were hybridised out of existence here and no longer available. I haven't seen any in my overseas travels either. I'd be very interested to find someone breeding or collecting a similar strain again. Keen enough to fly over to collect them (preferably small). I'd pay top dollar for these.

Please message me privately.

bekateen wrote: 17 Aug 2023, 00:36

Casscats wrote: 17 Aug 2023, 00:23 Here's a more recent baby pic if that helps at all

20230814_223645.jpg

Now that looks very much like my fish, except that it's what my ADULT fish look like, and even after all these months, my adults are still only 5-6cm SL. And my fish, juvies and adults, are distinctly green irridescent.

Casscats, how long are your largest adults?

Cheers, Eric

Some updated photos


Juvenile with light camouflage pattern on leaf litter... the red tones are interesting Juvenile with father on a rock, and father individually.
The gold shine on the adults seem really unique, my domestics do not show the same gold shine.

Great looking fish. If you're west coast Canada I'll definitely buy some off you if you do look to sell off juveniles.

DBam wrote: 05 Nov 2023, 04:06 Great looking fish. If you're west coast Canada I'll definitely buy some off you if you do look to sell my juveniles.

I'm all the way out in Ontario, quite a way aways. And I have a home lined up for the juvies already, still holding on to them until the person is in town.