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Hi there,

i just bought this little guy, i am just wondering what kind of Royal Panaque is he? he was labelled as a L27c
I'm thinking he might actually be a L27a, the reason being the spots next to his tail and on his belly.

i will try to get some new pics up.



Regards,
DI

Unfortunately, the "window" in the caudal fin is not a reliable sign of which variant of Panaque cf. nigrolineatus it is.

The country of origin would be a better indicator, as L027a/L330 is from Rio Orinoco (border of Venezuela and Colombia, so exported from Colombia), whereas L027c is from Rio Xingu - exported from Brazil. Of course, fish that goes to Australia may still go via Colombia or some other "west coast" country. Ideally we would like the collectors, exporters, importers, wholesalers and shops to keep records of which river the fish comes from, but most of the links in that chain range from unreliable to useless [when you ask the comment is "where would you like it to be from?" or some other similar reply].

I personally would say that the broken lines on the lower back end indicate L330 - but I could certainly be wrong.

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Mats

Yeah its always hard to tell, i think the fish is stressed in that picture.

here are some new pictures to confirm the ID

Sorry, can't help much further - but I agree that the first picture certainly looks more stressed than the later ones.

I do hope you have some finer grave/sand for that Geophagiinae to dig/sift...

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Mats

Do you think he is a L27 Xingu because of the red fins?

I took your advice and got some sand.

please note the sandy part is by far the most popular part of your tank

thus, you better expand it

I'm also slightly worried that your mix of fish isn't that great - goldfish prefer slightly cooler water in my experience - yes, they tolerate warm water, but ideal water temperaure is in the low 20's or below (low 70's F), and your Panaque will prefer the mid-to-high 20's. (Low 80's F)

Any chance you could find out from the shop where it was exported from?

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Mats

He is definitely either L330 or L190 as his tail fin hard rays are striped and if as you say his belly is spotted,he is an L330 for sure

No chance he is an L27 ''Xingu''...

Take good care of him,he is a beauty

Yeah i've been trying to get rid of the goldfish for a little while. It was previously a goldfish tank and i am trying to convert it to a SA tank.
I can't find any buyers for the last of the goldies.

i will definitely expand the sand bit, do you think i should put sand across the whole front?

There is no way that i could find out where his from as i bought it from a private seller.

i will try my best!
I just love royals.

It would be a very good idea to put sand on the whole bottom of your tank as this bid gravel doesnt serve any purpose for your fish...They cant dig and its not as soft as sand...They will definetely like it much more on a sandy bottom

Btw,Panaque are a personal favourite too

Very nice fish not matter what type it is.
I would also recommend completely covering the tank in sand. Not only will the plecos enjoy it more, that geo you have will exert its "eartheating" habits ONLY if you have sand.

Keep us posted!

Here are the new pics, tell me what you think. I will try and get some new pictures of the Panaques.