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I saw some "woodcats" at GLEE today on a stand of a well-known importer/wholesaler - (they didn't know what they were). I immediately thought they were entomocorus but i wasn't sure if they were benjamini or something else.

They were all similar about one & a half inches - the basic body colour looked like benjamini but with a thick black horizontal stripe through the upper lobe of the caudal & a faded but distinct small dorsal spot adjacent to the hard ray at the bottom.

any ideas?

Entomocorus has four described species; they can be distinguished by their tails. A small image from the paper describing this is at this Practical Fishkeeping article: http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/p ... ?news=1190. In order from top to bottom, the caudal fins in said image are benjamini, gameroi, melaphareus, radiosus. There is also a description of this in the article.

The species you mention is .

Look like lovely little fish - wish I'd been there as some of these would have definitely come home with me...on the assumption that I hadn't already found something to buy
Are they difficult to keep?
Hope you had a good day Richard,
Regards
Martin

It's not strictly a retail event so i didn't but anything & it is more a small display of species available from this importer- your lfs may have an account with them so could order them in if they do.

It was a pleasant day as the aquatics section is pretty small compared to the whole event but i did catch up with an old friend & bagged a few freebies

Marc van Arc wrote:The species you mention is

Entomocorus gameroi

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Cheers Marc

They were a lovely little fish & very active in the brightly lit display tank, not shoaling but every fish was "on the go"

Richard B wrote:It's not strictly a retail event so i didn't but anything & it is more a small display of species available from this importer- your lfs may have an account with them so could order them in if they do.

It was a pleasant day as the aquatics section is pretty small compared to the whole event but i did catch up with an old friend & bagged a few freebies

hi Richard
Can you tell me who the importer is - by PM if you'd prefer. I will call my LFS and see if it they have an account. i know they regularly shop with Neil Hardy's and one other (whom my still fully ID'd Dolichancistrus came from), but is definitely worth a try.

Marc - any views on keeping these with perugiae?

Thanks
Martin

Martin S wrote:any views on keeping these with perugiae?

That should give no problems at all. However, Richard's behaviour description is very a-typical, due to the bright lit tank I guess. This is a nocturnal species, which - literally - hangs around in plants and/or objects near the surface. Males have the genital papilla and very elongated ventral spines. Good luck in finding them!

Martin - they were at the Neil Hardy Aquatica stand - very new & not on the lists as far as i can see - they said they were unidentified & i have forwarded the ID stated here to them.

Richard B wrote:Martin - they were at the Neil Hardy Aquatica stand - very new & not on the lists as far as i can see - they said they were unidentified & i have forwarded the ID stated here to them.

Many thanks Richard.
There is a chap at my LFS who used to work for Neil's so will call him this morning.
Many thanks
Martin

anytime Martin

1 male and 2 females on their way

Blimey that was quick!!!

Actually, am really glad I called them today - the fish were given to Neils as a sample, but someone had already put their name down for the lot - I'm guessing someone at GLEE. The manager at my LFS called them, and asked nicely and they were kind enough to let me have 3 (I asked for 1M/2F), which should be arriving at my LFS later this week!
Am very pleased (if you hadn't guessed )
Thanks again
Martin

That's the thing i can't get my head round really - GLEE is trade only & you can't "buy" fish there. Those on display are a mere visual teaser as to what they can offer. They were brand new in so if someone had the lot on order, they've done a deal, (as they're quite entitled to do). Hardy's always have some great fish in. If anyone has ever been to see them or gets the opportunity, it's like being in aladins cave fish shop!!!

That's what I plan - the chap who used to work there has offered to take me along for a visit, only problm is taking time to organise taking a day off!
Martin

Martin S wrote:That's what I plan - the chap who used to work there has offered to take me along for a visit, only problm is taking time to organise taking a day off!
Martin

I wouldn't mind joining in on such a trip... Assuming of course that is a possibility...

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Mats

It will be a Wednesday (that's his day off), but if and when I get to organise it, will give you a shout - would hope there be be no reason why not.
Martin

Martin S wrote:It will be a Wednesday (that's his day off), but if and when I get to organise it, will give you a shout - would hope there be be no reason why not.
Martin

Nice one!

The only problem i found was that i wanted loads of fish but couldn't buy any as you have to have an account with them & then spend a minimum amount (which is beyond most individuals) - you can always take a list to your lfs contact who has an account though to get them to order for you - if you do get there let me know of any Tang synos if you can - although i have a list, there are often oddities - (.

Also, if you are being shown round, ask if you can see the breeding room - there may be baby Granulosus still , but there are always some nice bits & pieces

Richard B wrote:

Martin S wrote:It will be a Wednesday (that's his day off), but if and when I get to organise it, will give you a shout - would hope there be be no reason why not.
Martin

Nice one!

The only problem i found was that i wanted loads of fish but couldn't buy any as you have to have an account with them & then spend a minimum amount (which is beyond most individuals) - you can always take a list to your lfs contact who has an account though to get them to order for you - if you do get there let me know of any Tang synos if you can - although i have a list, there are often oddities - (.

Also, if you are being shown round, ask if you can see the breeding room - there may be baby Granulosus still , but there are always some nice bits & pieces

I didn't want to say, but yes, already done a deal that if i see anything i can order it via my LFS anyway! Will keep an eye out, and let you know if there's anything of interest.
Martin

Looks like you're well on-the-ball then!

Martin S wrote:Marc - any views on keeping these with perugiae?

There's no issue with that; I have an E. radiosus with three C. perugiae.

Martin S wrote:
Actually, am really glad I called them today - the fish were given to Neils as a sample, but someone had already put their name down for the lot - I'm guessing someone at GLEE.

Guilty as charged, your Honour....

coelacanth wrote:

Martin S wrote:
Actually, am really glad I called them today - the fish were given to Neils as a sample, but someone had already put their name down for the lot - I'm guessing someone at GLEE.

Guilty as charged, your Honour....

Nice one keep us posted with progress - these are a great little fish

Marc
After reeading this thread, are you saying that E. gameroi are not sexable by the shape of the ventral fin? That would explain why every time I try and sex them, I fail! Are there any pointers to allow these to be sexed?
Thanks
Martin

The only feature left would be the genital papilla (or modified anal fin) in males afaict.

Have been sleeping while answering I guess. The above refers to E. benjamini; E. gameroi males do get/have the elongated ventral spines.