SWEET! I was curious if that species was a good one to spawn but now I know for sure.
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 08 Aug 2009, 19:29
by Richard B
Excellent....however you will soon need to update the species page from breeding "unreported" & do a quick article
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 08 Aug 2009, 21:09
by MatsP
Congratulations.
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Mats
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 08 Aug 2009, 21:12
by Jools
Fry look about 3 weeks old, male is in cave again.
Jools
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 09 Aug 2009, 09:00
by jac
Nice one
Congratulations
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 09 Aug 2009, 09:54
by andywoolloo
congratulations!!!
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 09 Aug 2009, 10:06
by andrewcoxon
cool well done mate,
what conditions are they in?
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 09 Aug 2009, 10:30
by Jools
andrewcoxon wrote:cool well done mate,
what conditions are they in?
Thanks, I'll pull together an article detailing all that stuff.
Cheers,
Jools
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 09 Aug 2009, 16:06
by apistomaster
Jools,
Good for you.
Peckoltia spp. seem to be fairly easy to breed but I don't think that many catfish keepers have Peckoltia changae in groups large enough to breed. They are a bit larger than many other more popular Peckoltia spp. but they are attractive enough that I think that there are many who are only keeping one specimen in their collection.
Too many people do this and it impairs the progress in acquiring more reports of breeding many species.
I expect that now your P. changae have begun spawning that they will continue to do so with an occasional rest break.
My L134 have only bred prolifically from early spring to early fall. During the winter only a few fry showed up instead of normal broods of 25. I bet your P. changae have larger sized broods than L134.
I look forward to seeing your progress reports, photos and article.
Oops!
Then I raise my praise for your accomplishment since breeding a Panaque spp is a much rarer event.
I some how had it in my head that they were a Peckoltia but I think I was picturing Peckoltia sabaji in my mind.
I'm still only halfway through my morning triple shot latte'.
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 09 Aug 2009, 22:59
by stuby
Congrats on the spawn Jools! Looking forward to the updates!
Chuck
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 10 Aug 2009, 08:24
by Champ-BKK
Congrat!!!
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 10 Aug 2009, 16:40
by Shane
Did this happen while you were on vacation?
-Shane
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 10 Aug 2009, 17:02
by Jools
Shane wrote:Did this happen while you were on vacation?
-Shane
Judging by the size of the fry now (13mm), I think the eggs were laid when I did a large water change before I left (40% aged tap water) but perhaps before. If you accept that the eggs would take 10 days to hatch, then maybe even further before I left. All tanks got big water changes in the week before I left. Also, the temp went as high as 86F while I was away and there was a lot of evaporation.
Jools
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 10 Aug 2009, 17:06
by Jools
I have at least 32 fry, I wonder how many other plecos spawnings were achieved using
(or indeed ANY catfish) as a dither fish? Other fish present were the Edinburgh (Ember )Tetra - Hyphessobrycon amandae and a bunch of snails and cherry shrimp. Clay pipe cave under bogwood was used and the fish fed on tetra prima, bloodworm and beech from the garden (bark on).
Jools
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 10 Aug 2009, 17:14
by L number Banana
Congrats and can't wait for the article and pics!! Well done!
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 10 Aug 2009, 18:10
by MatsP
Jools wrote:I wonder how many other plecos spawnings were achieved using
Considering that there are 4 keepers of Pseudotropius in the Cat-eLog, I'd say "not many".
Interesting that they spawned in a ceramic cave, I would have thought that they would prefer a wooden cave.
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Mats
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 06:32
by Deb
Jools wrote:... and the fish fed on tetra prima, bloodworm and beech from the garden (bark on).
Jools,
Congrats on the spawn and the fry! Sounds like all is going well. You mention that the bark was left on the beech. Can you tell me if the Panaque scrape through the bark to the wood? Appear to eat the bark? Scrape only the first layer of film? Leave the beech alone altogether?
I'm curious, because I go to some trouble to remove the bark from wood for my Panaque, but I wonder if they would try to eat it if it were left on. And would it be all right for them if they did - meaning, would it be just as "nutritious" as the wood, and just as easy to digest?
Deborah
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 15:03
by Jools
Deb,
These are secretive fish, so I do not really see them eating wood - the state of filter sponges and also the fact that the bark disappears. What I can say for sure is that (a) bark is always given and is always removed from the wood (eaten I think, but maybe just floats off) and (b) it's always been present with the fish in the tank they chose to spawn in.
My gut feeling (pun intended) is they prefer it on, lichen and all.
Jools
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 18:02
by Deb
Jools wrote:My gut feeling (pun intended) is they prefer it on, lichen and all.
I think you're right! At least it does no harm. I'm looking forward to your article and photos.
Deb
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 14 Aug 2009, 08:46
by Jools
Ingo's been in touch and the info from the first spawning in was that Eichelberger (1999, published in DATZ) has spawned them for the first time. Tank 160 litres, pH 7, 6 °KH, 10°dGH, 27 °C. 3o eggs, juveniles left cave after 18 days with 2 cm length.
So, the Germans managed it 10 years ago, this goes to show how little of this data is distributed globally. More reasons to write an article!
Jools
Re: My Panaque changae have spawned!
Posted: 14 Aug 2009, 10:54
by CoryWally
Great effort Jools.
You could even register it on the CSG Breeders Award Programme!