The hybrid Syno thread

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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

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Re: nigirita..
thank u.. but I need more explanation

A natural color variant
A farm made color variant

After several generations of breeding
The gold comes out....
There are no other species involved...?
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A natural color variant
A farm made color variant

In this case it is Xanthism (An animal which is yellow or golden in color. This may happen in nature or through selective breeding.)They will still have dark eyes...so similar to Albino which everyone knows.
The nigrita has been spawned for awhile by fish farms, their eggs are numbered very high so to get these mutants is not uncommon. Then it is just a question of line breeding.I have seen a number of different species of synos with the yellowish coloration, it is not something to get excited about. Dont see dollar signs if you ever come across it.
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Thanks Birger...
Wer u the one who spoke in Sacramento about synodontis?
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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

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Hybrids have though, in my more recent experience, become far more varied in types, & of a better "quality" that is to say they are getting far closer to genuine species.

EG we have seen hybrid decora with branched maxillary barbels & multi hybrids almost identical save for a few black flecks in the white section of the dorsal.

I suspect there are starting to be many species crossed to create hybrids, that weren't crossed before but also that hybrids are being crossed with genuine species & perhaps hybrid type 1 with hybrid type 3 to create further variants.

In order to educate people where possible & compliment cat-e-log i will try & post some of the things i see in this thread & would encourage anyone with hybrid examples to do the same.
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Smitten by the beautiful 'hybrid'

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Got completely taken by this beautiful hybrid? In the store I was trying to turn it into a S. camelopardalis. But after getting it home, I found it harder and harder to do that. I thought to post this on the "hybrid syno thread" but just wondering if there's a vague chance this might just be a 'true' species. If anyone has a opinion please feel free to say so. If there is no definitive counter argument, I guess it can go into the beautiful hybrid pile.
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Re: Smitten by the beautiful 'hybrid'

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It is very pretty. However, the curved dorsal spine gives it away. Certainly does not have a high dorsal fin and the size of the eye in your fish is striking too.

Now, I really am guessing, but I'd say crossed with another hybrid like .

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Yes, I can see that as a possibility. I also couldn't deny the steep basioccipital hump and the very uniform fin patterns which were more like bands than circles. Luckily I paid $8.00 for it so it was a gamble worth taking. It'll make a good pet for someone.
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For someone? Are you meaning to gift or resale it?

I can't say I've ever seen a syno like this but I am syno-challenged when it comes to anything other than the most common ones in the trade. What size and age is it? I wonder if this is a juvi pattern and if it will evolve. In some genuine synos, like eupterus, but especially in hybrids the pattern seems to evolve significantly all throughout their lifespan.

Ignorant me is also surprised a bit by the beautiful and intricate patterns on the finnage - something I thought was a rare or never in hybrids; in any case, the fin patterns seem usually crude in the most common hybrids.

Pretty fish for $8 that leads to interesting questions and new learning. Only a reality-detached idealist could ask for more, no?
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Re: Smitten by the beautiful 'hybrid'

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I totally agree Viktor. I did think about the pattern/morphology changing over time. We know so little about some of these species. Whose to say its not a juvenile form of something else? Right now its a hybrid in my thinking. But maybe someone with more experience than me can make a convincing argument otherwise, I'm open.

I'll keep it for a bit, but if it doesn't come up as a 'real' species, I'll probable end up finding it a loving home.
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