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I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 20 Nov 2010, 21:30
by James0816
These guys just showed up on an exporter list from Peru. Never heard of these species:

Otocinclus chicharra
Otocinclus otorongo
Otocinclus tiger
Otocinclus vampiro

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
James

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 20 Nov 2010, 23:03
by Marc van Arc
I could imagine "vampire" is and "tiger" is , but I could also be way off.
Thing is that these lists have a native/common name field and a scientific/latin name field and often both fields have the same (native/common!) name. Surprise yourself. I doubt there would be a huge risk when Otocinclus species are involved.

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 20 Nov 2010, 23:23
by James0816
I did find a picture of what was labeled as "tiger". It was a long slender body. Looked like a Mimulus that was stretched out. ;o)

I just hate when they list them with a common name and then the scientific name is listed as Otocinclus sp. That really tells a lot.

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 20 Nov 2010, 23:26
by Marc van Arc
You'd better get used to it....
Have a look.

http://www.discusfriends.org/Redipuglia ... k%2045.pdf

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 21 Nov 2010, 01:06
by Silurus
I think Otocinclus vampiro is .

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Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 21 Nov 2010, 02:29
by James0816
That's what I am thinking as well.

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 22 Nov 2010, 14:48
by James0816
So I found this picture that was labeled as O. Otorongo. Nice lookin feller.
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Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 22 Nov 2010, 14:59
by RickE
Very nice...

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 22 Nov 2010, 15:53
by James0816
Nah..that's not the Cocama.

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 22 Nov 2010, 16:40
by RickE
Really? Why not?

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 22 Nov 2010, 16:53
by grokefish
Indeed why not?

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 22 Nov 2010, 18:44
by James0816
These little sweeties are Cocama:

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Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 22 Nov 2010, 20:42
by RickE
It's not a very good pic, but I don't think so. Post some better pics and someone can probably identify them properly for you.

Anyway, compare the catelog photo of cocama to your original picture. They could be the same fish.

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 22 Nov 2010, 21:10
by Mike_Noren
The otos all look like Otocinclus cocama to me.

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 22 Nov 2010, 23:56
by Jools
Mike_Noren wrote:The otos all look like Otocinclus cocama to me.
Agreed.

Jools

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 23 Nov 2010, 01:21
by James0816
Are you saying my second picture of Otocinclus Cocama is not actually O. Cocama??

I highly beg to differ with you on that one.

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 23 Nov 2010, 01:27
by James0816
Is this is a clearer pic for ya? Same species....O. Cocama.

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Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 23 Nov 2010, 01:33
by racoll
James0816 wrote:Are you saying my second picture of Otocinclus Cocama is not actually O. Cocama??
No, they are saying that both pictures are of O. cocama.

There may be a bit of variation in the markings, but what makes you think this is interspecific - i.e. deviating substantially from the holotype?

The description is freely available. I would like to hear your thoughts.

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 23 Nov 2010, 01:43
by Mike_Noren
racoll wrote:There may be a bit of variation in the markings
They are quite variable, and the pigmentation of O. cocama also changes with age and mood. It is possible there are geographic variants or closely related species, but if so that's unknown to me.

Re: I need another Otocinclus expert .....

Posted: 23 Nov 2010, 01:50
by James0816
Well I will definately say that this is completely new to me. I haven't seen a Cocama look like the first pic I posted..which is a strapping young feller if I must say.

I will go back and do more research.