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Synodontis rukwaensis

Posted: 13 Feb 2011, 23:48
by Dave Rinaldo
I've had this fish for a few years.
A visit with Dave at Draf prompted me to take these photos.


24cm SL
30cm TL
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Re: Synodontis rukwaensis

Posted: 14 Feb 2011, 01:32
by Viktor Jarikov
nice. looks big. If ID is right, Cat-eLog could really use these, IMHO. The one in there is quite a bit lighter in color. And there are only 3 pics.

Re: Synodontis rukwaensis

Posted: 14 Feb 2011, 01:34
by Dave Rinaldo
Edited..

Re: Synodontis rukwaensis

Posted: 14 Feb 2011, 02:12
by Birger
is more gray...like in the Cat-eLog, that one is not a one time thing...I would say more like a or ... but have to get to my books first will check back a bit later.

Birger

Re: Synodontis rukwaensis

Posted: 14 Feb 2011, 02:19
by Birger
By the way Dave...what else are you hiding???

Birger

Re: Synodontis rukwaensis

Posted: 14 Feb 2011, 02:31
by Dave Rinaldo
Birger wrote:By the way Dave...what else are you hiding???

Birger
:d

Re: Synodontis rukwaensis

Posted: 14 Feb 2011, 02:45
by Dave Rinaldo
Our ID was based on red fins and pectoral extension.

Re: Synodontis rukwaensis

Posted: 14 Feb 2011, 03:08
by Dave Rinaldo
Birger wrote: is more gray...like in the Cat-eLog, that one is not a one time thing...
Birger
Those pics are out of water, maybe dead?

Re: Synodontis rukwaensis

Posted: 14 Feb 2011, 03:33
by Birger
Synodontis rukwaensis starts out mottled turns to grey and spotted and then all solid grey. As far as I know only the male caudal turns red when sexually active and even then not always.

all of these are closely related but the two forms I mentioned look like what you have in your picture.

These all have been confused in the past because they are so similar(physically) and some literature may have them misidentified.

Birger

ps.After looking through my books I would still say S.zambezensis which also can have these extensions

Re: Synodontis rukwaensis

Posted: 18 Feb 2011, 18:30
by Dave Rinaldo
From Dave at DRAF.......
Hi Dave,

The reason I went with rukwaensis is that the fish were caught in the Wami
River. Syno zambezensis is found much farther south.

Re: Synodontis rukwaensis

Posted: 19 Feb 2011, 05:31
by Birger
Dave Rinaldo wrote:From Dave at DRAF.......
Hi Dave,

The reason I went with rukwaensis is that the fish were caught in the Wami
River. Syno zambezensis is found much farther south.
Your fish is not a Synodontis rukwaensis I can assure you, if you doubt me still you need to get Seegers other book on the Rukwa drainage, full pictures of all stages of development.

I would still go with one of the other species, Synodontis zanzibarica is "known" from the Pangani(next to the Wami river) northward, many of the eastward flowing rivers have this one, wouldn't surprise me to be in the Wami as well. I do think the humeral matches most with this.

My mistake to say to go with S.zambezensis as opposed to zanzibarica
Synodontis zambezensis is more southern as stated, with different localized variants along the way.
As always seems to be the case there needs to be more study done on these.



Birger

Re: Synodontis rukwaensis

Posted: 14 Mar 2011, 08:10
by jippo
I would say rukwaensis too, as I see the humerall match with Seegers book(fully coloured male) and there is not other species which has humerall process like this have(geledensis is closest I think but it is more northern species). Color is different but there might be a different coloured population like other syno's have.