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MatsP wrote:I think we need to update the synonyms - Pseudopimelodus zungaro appear to be rather "popular" - there are, I think, three different species that have at one point or another been assigned that name.

Jools wrote:

MatsP wrote:I think we need to update the synonyms - Pseudopimelodus zungaro appear to be rather "popular" - there are, I think, three different species that have at one point or another been assigned that name.

I think this post should be in the bugs forum....

Zungaro zungaro

bufonius, Pimelodus Valenciennes [A.] in Cuvier & Valenciennes 1840:154 [Histoire naturelle des poissons. v. 15; ref. 1008] Probably Cayenne, French Guiana. Holotype (unique): RMNH (lost). Type information: Boeseman 1972:295 [ref. 19698]. Type catalog: Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]. For locality information see Boeseman 1972:295 [ref. 19698]. •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1833), but a valid subspecies -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860], Galvis et al. 1997:69 [ref. 23651]). •Valid as Pseudopimelodus bufonius (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Grant 1999:50 [ref. 24295], Le Bail et al. 2000:110 [ref. 24549], Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:403 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Valid as Pseudopimelodus bufonius (Valenciennes 1840). Pseudopimelodidae. Distribution: Rivers of northeastern South America from Lake Maracaibo basin to eastern Brazil: Brazil, Colombia, French Guiana, Suriname, Venezuela and Guyana. Habitat: freshwater.

charus, Pimelodus Valenciennes [A.] in Cuvier & Valenciennes 1840:159 [Histoire naturelle des poissons. v. 15; ref. 1008] Sabara River, Brazil. No types known. Type catalog: Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29166]. •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1833) subspecies bufonis (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860], Galvis et al. 1997:69 [ref. 23651]). •Valid as Pseudopimelodus charus (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Grant 1999:51 [ref. 24295], Britski 2001:20 [ref. 26046], Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:403 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Valid as Pseudopimelodus charus (Valenciennes 1840). Pseudopimelodidae. Distribution: São Francisco River basin, Brazil. Habitat: freshwater.

mangurus, Pimelodus Valenciennes [A.] 1835:no p., Pl. 1 (figs. 4-6) [Voyage dans l'Amérique méridionale.; ref. 20720] Río de la Plata, Argentina. Holotype (unique): MNHN A-8401. Valenciennes specimen: MNHN A-9417 (1, dry). Type catalog: Bertin & Estève 1950:55 [ref. 19575] with syntypes; technically the figured specimen is the holotype; Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29166]. Name available from plate, description in Valenciennes 1847:7 [ref. 5010], as Pimelodus manguru. See also Cuvier & Valenciennes 1840:156 [ref. 1008]. Pl. 1 was published in 1835. Figured specimen identified as MNHN A-8401 by Grant 1999:56 [ref. 24295], but he incorrectly named it the lectotype -- it is the holotype. •Valid as Zungaro mangurus (Valenciennes 1836) -- (Grant 1999:56 [ref. 24295]). •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1821), but a valid subspecies -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860], López et al. 2003:60 [ref. 27366]). • Valid as Pseudopimelodus mangurus (Valenciennes 1835) -- (Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:403 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Valid as Pseudopimelodus mangurus (Valenciennes 1835). Pseudopimelodidae. Distribution: Uruguay, Paraná, Paraguay and La Plata River basins: Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay. Habitat: freshwater.

pulcher, Pimelodus (Pseudopimelodus) Boulenger [G. A.] 1887:276, Pl. 21 (fig. 1) [Proceedings of the General Meetings for Scientific Business of the Zoological Society of London 1887 (pt 2); ref. 532] Canelos, eastern Ecuador. Syntypes: BMNH 1880.12.8.105-107 (3). Type catalog: Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29166]. •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1833) -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860]). •Questionably a synonym of Pseudopimelodus charus (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Grant 1999:51 [ref. 24295]). •Valid as Pseudopimelodus pulcher (Boulenger 1887) -- (Ortega & Vari 1986:15 [ref. 9708], Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:404 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Valid as Pseudopimelodus pulcher (Boulenger 1887). Pseudopimelodidae. Distribution: Upper Amazon River basin: Brazil and Ecuador. Habitat: freshwater.

roosevelti, Pseudopimelodus Borodin [N. A.] 1927:1, Fig. 1 [American Museum Novitates No. 266; ref. 12246] Parassununga, São Paulo State, Brazil. Holotype: AMNH 8638. Paratypes: AMNH 26942 [ex 8638a] (1); DZSASP [now MZUSP, ex AMNH 8638b] (1, not found). Type catalog: Britski 1969:200 [ref. 12401], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29166]. •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1833), subspecies mangurus (Valenciennes 1836) -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860]). •Questionably a synonym of Pseudopimelodus charus (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Grant 1999:51 [ref. 24295]). •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus mangurus (Valenciennes 1835) -- (Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:403 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Synonym of Pseudopimelodus mangurus (Valenciennes 1835). Pseudopimelodidae. Habitat: freshwater.

variolosus, Pseudopimelodus Miranda Ribeiro [A. de] 1914:4, Pls. 1 (fig. 2), 2 (figs. 1-2) [Loricariidae, Callichthyidae, Doradidae e Trichomycteridae. In: Commissão de Linhas Telegraphicas Estrategicas de Matto-Grosso ao Amazonas Annexo no. 5; ref. 17771] Coxim, Rio Taquary, Mato Grosso State, Brazil. Lectotype: MNRJ 818A. Paralectotypes: (6) MNRJ 818 (2). Type catalog: Miranda Ribeiro 1953:404 [ref. 12732], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29166]. Lectotype designated by Miranda Ribeiro 1953:404 [ref. 12732] [but perhaps specimen not isolated]. •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1833) -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860]). •Questionably a synonym of Pseudopimelodus charus (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Grant 1999:51 [ref. 24295]). •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus pulcher (Boulenger 1887) -- (Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:404 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Synonym of Pseudopimelodus pulcher (Boulenger 1887). Pseudopimelodidae. Habitat: freshwater.

MatsP wrote:

roosevelti, Pseudopimelodus Borodin [N. A.] 1927:1, Fig. 1 [American Museum Novitates No. 266; ref. 12246] Parassununga, São Paulo State, Brazil. Holotype: AMNH 8638. Paratypes: AMNH 26942 [ex 8638a] (1); DZSASP [now MZUSP, ex AMNH 8638b] (1, not found). Type catalog: Britski 1969:200 [ref. 12401], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29166]. •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus zungaro (Humboldt 1833), subspecies mangurus (Valenciennes 1836) -- (Burgess 1989:276 [ref. 12860]). •Questionably a synonym of Pseudopimelodus charus (Valenciennes 1840) -- (Grant 1999:51 [ref. 24295]). •Synonym of Pseudopimelodus mangurus (Valenciennes 1835) -- (Shibatta in Reis et al. 2003:403 [ref. 27061], Ferraris 2007:355 [ref. 29155]). Current status: Synonym of Pseudopimelodus mangurus (Valenciennes 1835). Pseudopimelodidae. Habitat: freshwater.

If I've misunderstood this [and admittedly, it seems like Fishbase doesn't list any synonyms for P. bufonius (opther than Pimelodus bufonius)], then I do apologise and look forward to knowing how I got this wrong...

And if I'm wrong, I expect we should add "Sometimes sold under the incorrectly used scientific name of P. zungaro, which is really a synonym of the much larger Zungaro zungaro" to the datasheet - unless we expect this to be a singular mistake, but I seem to remember having seen this before...

MatsP wrote:I'm 100% sure the Green name is the "original described name".