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Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 20 Aug 2011, 11:17
by Gertbl
This morning I found some eggs in my 1.60m tank.
Looking at the size of the eggs, then I think it is either from the Sturisoma festivum or from the Hypoptopoma sp. that I've got in this tank.
If the eggs are from the Sturisoma, wouldn't the male guard their eggs?
Are their any reports of Hypoptopoma's breeding in captivity?
Here are the pictures of the eggs:
What do you guys think if this?
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 20 Aug 2011, 12:38
by MatsP
Hypoptopoma I would think - it's hard to say what size they are from your photos, but the fact that they seem to be "all over the place", similar to Corydoras eggs would be.
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Mats
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 20 Aug 2011, 13:02
by Acanthicus
Hi,
I think the eggs are from
Hypoptopoma. Which species do you have? Right now I am not aware of any breeding report about this genus. Below are some pics of eggs of
Sturisoma festivum. The male would guard the eggs and they normally put them all near together.

Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 20 Aug 2011, 16:54
by Gertbl
If I take a quick look at the eggs then they are approx 3mm big.
Because the eggs are all over the place makes me think they are from the Hypoptopoma's.
I'm not sure which species they are. The were called Hypoptopoma gulare in the fish store but some say it is the Hypoptopoma thoracatum. The three new species I got were called H. inexspectatum in the fish store.
Here are some photo's of the species that I got:
The older species:
The new species:
This are the Sturisoma's that I got:

Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 20 Aug 2011, 17:07
by N0body Of The Goat
Congratulations!
Being a fellow keeper of Hypoptopoma (trio of sp.2... possibly), it would be awsome if these were Hypoptopoma eggs and you could journalise the fry's growth over time.
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 20 Aug 2011, 17:13
by Gertbl
Thanks!
In the next few days I will hope to see from who these eggs are.
If got five Hypoptopoma species. Two are like the first photo and three are like the second photo. I had three of the first species but unfortunately one died.
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 20 Aug 2011, 18:57
by Armand
yea the sturisoma will place them in a group
a male on the eggs i had
and the male also stays with it and removed the bad eggs hisself
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 10:47
by Gertbl
The eggs were all gone after a few days. But this morning I found a couple Sturisoma laying their eggs on the window of my tank. This time the female is guarding the eggs instead of the male.
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 14:50
by apistomaster
MatsP wrote:Hypoptopoma I would think - it's hard to say what size they are from your photos, but the fact that they seem to be "all over the place", similar to Corydoras eggs would be.
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Mats
That is exactly what I would expect also.
I think breeding Sturisoma is a great deal easier to do than breeding Hypoptopoma or Parotocinclus species.(Maybe P. jumbo are easier? I think the rest are going to prove to be difficult. I had one Parotocinclus cf. spilosoma fry appear in a group set up once but I never had them a controlled spawning set up.
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 15:18
by Acanthicus
apistomaster wrote:I had one Parotocinclus cf. spilosoma fry appear in a group set up once but I never had them a controlled spawning set up.
We´ve got some pictures of eggs and frys from
Parotocinclus haroldoi here and
Parotocinclus sp. "Pernambuco"
here. It is right that they behave like
Corydoras and put their eggs just everywhere.
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 15:35
by apistomaster
Hi Daniel,
This is the only photo I have of the group of Parotocinclus I liked and I have never been certain what it really was but it seems similar to your Parotocinclus sp. "Pernambuco".

Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 16:04
by Acanthicus
Hi,
it looks like
P. sp. "Pernambuco", yes. A comparable "species" is
P. sp. "Recife" (pictures) but it seems that both are just local variants of
Parotocinclus spilosoma.
Sorry, for invading the topic....
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 16:11
by apistomaster
Thanks for sharing Daniel. Wish they were more commonly available as well as Nannoptopoma and Hypoptopoma species.
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 16:42
by Acanthicus
Hey,
over here they are available, much better than Nannoptopoma for example. I wish I could get some interesting Hypoptopoma, but no way....
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 18:27
by apistomaster
In America the proprietor type fish shops have a hard time in face of the big pet warehouse chains and I think it has hurt the fish diversity we can find in the remaining shops.
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 24 Aug 2011, 19:07
by Gertbl
The female has left the eggs after a few hours and the male didn't gaurd them for one day. This morning the male is starting to guard the eggs. How long will it take for the eggs start to hatch?
Here's a picture of the male and the eggs.

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Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 24 Aug 2011, 19:20
by MatsP
My
took about a week to hatch, from memory.
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Mats
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 24 Aug 2011, 23:13
by apistomaster
I get hatches at day eight at 84*F.
I wrote an article about how I raise mine and it is listed below my avatar as "My Articles" in Shane's World.
Their fry do not begin feeding immediately after hatches but begin within two days after they hatch.
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 09:31
by Gertbl
The first eggs have hatched and I count 11 fry in the tank. I think these are from the first eggs of the couple. The male is still guarding the others eggs that won't take long to hatch. I count some 30 eggs that are almost ready to hatch.
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 28 Aug 2011, 11:24
by Gertbl
Re: Eggs from Sturisoma or Hypoptopoma sp.?
Posted: 28 Aug 2011, 11:28
by MatsP
Very cute. Good luck raising them...
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Mats