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Oil and gas production in the Amazon

Posted: 10 Dec 2003, 23:11
by spiny
In the New York Times today (web pages), I found this article on planned oil and gas production in the Amazon, below the Andean foothills. Most of the article is about Ecuador, but other countries are mentioned as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/10/inter ... AZ.html?th

You maybe will have to get yourself a password to get in there. No charge, and takes no time.

Does anyone in the forum know something about how this eventually would affect the habitats of our beloved fishes? I'm a bit worried, as accidents etc do happen.
Would be nice to follow which rivers could be affected. :ang: Save the fish!

Posted: 11 Dec 2003, 00:34
by clothahump
This will give you an idea of what happens.
http://www.corydorasworld.com/cwfmg/album12

Posted: 11 Dec 2003, 02:33
by Shane
You might change the title of the album to something less inflammatory and get more people to take a look and become interested instead of writing it off as more U.S. bashing by Euro Hippies. It might also be pointed out that all the big European oil companys, especially BP, also have drilling projects in the Amazon as well. Just my two cents.
-Shane

Posted: 11 Dec 2003, 09:07
by clothahump
Point taken Shane, I have changed the title.

Posted: 11 Dec 2003, 11:18
by doctorzeb
For my sins, I placed a tender during the peruvian gas pipeline, to supply environmental auditing services. The immediate impacts of such construction are vast, and most of the damage is done during construction. The devastation stops once the construction is complete, but unfortunately, the areas effected find it very difficult to recover. Landline piping sections can recover, but the problems are caused when access to remote areas, across rivers, etc is required.

It hellish, the majority of these projects are government funded and therefore the environmental aspects are primarily for show. The belmonte damn in brazil is the perfect example, Environmental Impact Assessments have virtually been ignored due to the cost involved or rectifying any problems.

Nice photo's clothahump, did you take them yourself?

rob

Posted: 11 Dec 2003, 11:27
by clothahump
The pictures are originally from a site that is run by activists against these things happening, I wish the Human Race would just stand back and look at what they are doing to this planet.
Instead of chucking money at these projects we should be addressing the problems of overpopulation and the constant stream of polution we are pouring into our enviroment.
There are times when I absolutely hate the White Man for what he started.

Posted: 11 Dec 2003, 16:47
by S. Allen
uhh... clothahump, you mention overpopulation as one of those evils... The countries that are increasing their populations the fastest are not north american or european.

http://www.pregnantpause.org/numbers/fertility.htm

http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19 ... 50943.html

an overview... 2 children is stable, meaning they replace their parents, the population stays the same, less than 2 the population shrinks, more than 2, the population grows.

Canada is at 1.6
UK at 1.7
US at 2.0
Germany at 1.3
China 1.8
and many other countries are either right around 2 or less. all reasonable, either stable or declining

How about we move on?

Somalia 7.3
Yemen 7.6
Uganda 7.1
Liberia 6.3
Afghanistan 6.9
Paraguay 4.2
Bolivia 4.4

Oil and gas production in the Amazon

Posted: 11 Dec 2003, 21:47
by spiny
Those photos are great! But the motive so sad to see... What if there are leaks in the pipeline? Lots of things downstream would maybe face more difficulties than they can handle.

We are really good at destroying our planet. We just do it in slower cycles than many other species... We reaches our peaks after thousands of years, and other species after just a couple of years...

The world must somehow take responsibility and take care of the reason why there are so much poverty. Why there are such population explotions.
But I doubt we will be able to stop greed and the hunt for power and wealth. That is a part of our species behavior.

We could do our best, though, and minimize some of the consequences of what we are doing.

I'm happy to see other people so engaged on this topic!