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Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 05:36
by MissNoodle
Rescued another twig from the store (they can't keep them alive longer than a week there, due to wrong tankmates and lack of proper food)
Maybe too young, but can make out belly schutes....
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 06:20
by bekateen
Three rows on the belly. Almost certainly
.
Cheers, Eric
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 06:22
by fishguy1978
Could you post a clear picture of the tail and the snout?
Follow the guide to id
viewtopic.php?p=322799#p322799
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 07:13
by MissNoodle
bekateen wrote: 06 Dec 2020, 06:20
Three rows on the belly. Almost certainly
.
Cheers, Eric
Awesome, wasn't sure if I was seeing 3 rows or an incomplete middle row! This is the smallest twig I've seen in stores by far.
Hes not super cooperative lol
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 07:19
by MissNoodle
Or even if there's a middle row at all hes so small
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 07:24
by bekateen
True, it's difficult to see if the middle row is complete. Lighting and angle are all so important when trying to photograph the scouted on a live fish. But you can probably see them yourself if looking up close when the fish hangs on the glass better than you can photograph it.
Also, I believe I see 4 rows of medial scutes. Also consistent with the ID I gave before. And at this young age, you can't use adult odontodes as a trait, so a little bit of faith is needed for now.
But as said in your older posts about your others, this species co-occurs with F. vittata (which has only 2 rows of scutes) so they are often intermixed when sold.
Cheers, Eric
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 07:29
by MissNoodle
bekateen wrote: 06 Dec 2020, 07:24
True, it's difficult to see if the middle row is complete. Lighting and angle are all so important when trying to photograph the scouted on a live fish. But you can probably see them yourself if looking up close when the fish hangs on the glass better than you can photograph it.
Also, I believe I see 4 rows of medial scutes. Also consistent with the ID I gave before. And at this young age, you can't use adult odontodes as a trait, so a little bit of faith is needed for now.
But as said in your older posts about your others, this species co-occurs with F. vittata (which has only 2 rows of scutes) so they are often intermixed when sold.
Cheers, Eric
When referring to medial schutes, what part is this referring to and how do you go about counting them? Sorry, maybe a dumb question, but little behind on the more complex anatomy on these guys lol
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 07:35
by bekateen
See this figure. It's from the key on the links provided above. Figs D, E, & F.
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 07:41
by MissNoodle
bekateen wrote: 06 Dec 2020, 07:35
See this figure. It's from the key on the links provided above. Figs D, E, & F.
OH!
Thats awesome, but I can definitely see why no one really identifies these guys in stores well haha
The ones at my store label them "twig catfish, Farlowella Vittata" but with a photo of a royal Farlowella haha... not even the same genus
Really neat how complex these guys are though.
Edit: okay looked at the photo showing his side view sitting on the leaf, I see 4 rows in that photo too.
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 07:50
by bekateen
MissNoodle wrote: 06 Dec 2020, 07:41
okay looked at the photo showing his side view sitting on the leaf, I see 4 rows in that photo too.
That's what I saw too in your photo.
Cheers, Eric
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 07:54
by MissNoodle
bekateen wrote: 06 Dec 2020, 07:50
MissNoodle wrote: 06 Dec 2020, 07:41
okay looked at the photo showing his side view sitting on the leaf, I see 4 rows in that photo too.
That's what I saw too in your photo.
Cheers, Eric
My other two were ID'd as Vittata and Platorynchus, where do they sit with the side scales?
They both have the 4 rows as well, is this correct for their species too?
My Vittata
Platorynchus
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 14:29
by bekateen
MissNoodle wrote: 06 Dec 2020, 07:54My other two were ID'd as Vittata and Platorynchus, where do they sit with the side scales?
They both have the 4 rows as well, is this correct for their species too?
I forgot that you had platorhynchus. I don't know how easy a juvenile will be to key out on parts like the snout length, which might change with maturity... (IDK), but certainly we can take another look at the abdominal scutes. So far you pics have been difficult to see the seams of the scutes. Your pics of the larger fish are ideal. Can you please try again on this juvie? Take your time.
Thanks,
Eric
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 17:24
by MissNoodle
bekateen wrote: 06 Dec 2020, 14:29
MissNoodle wrote: 06 Dec 2020, 07:54My other two were ID'd as Vittata and Platorynchus, where do they sit with the side scales?
They both have the 4 rows as well, is this correct for their species too?
I forgot that you had platorhynchus. I don't know how easy a juvenile will be to key out on parts like the snout length, which might change with maturity... (IDK), but certainly we can take another look at the abdominal scutes. So far you pics have been difficult to see the seams of the scutes. Your pics of the larger fish are ideal. Can you please try again on this juvie? Take your time.
Thanks,
Eric
Youngster was out on the glass this morning! So got a clearer shot!
I think for sure not vittata at least
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 17:25
by bekateen
Can you tell what's happening along the midline? I can't see the plate boundaries.
Cheers, Eric
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 17:43
by MissNoodle
bekateen wrote: 06 Dec 2020, 17:25
Can you tell what's happening along the midline? I can't see the plate boundaries.
Cheers, Eric
Its hard to see if its just a part in the side schutes or if there's some smaller chutes developing still...
For sure 2 middle schutes up top and 1 below... not unlike the Platorynchus, but its hard to make out even in person if there's just a gap or if there's a complete row there.
Cropped closer, one drawn with what I see for sure.
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 17:47
by bekateen
Okay. Maybe needs a little filling in and growing?
Cheers, Eric
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 17:49
by MissNoodle
bekateen wrote: 06 Dec 2020, 17:47
Okay. Maybe needs a little filling in and growing?
Cheers, Eric
Thinking so too. This fish is barely even 2 inches, doesn't even have the adult shape to the tail, lots of fry features on this little one still.
I'll post if I get clearer photos as he or she grows.
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 07 Dec 2020, 18:47
by MissNoodle
Posting this last one for now just because he's adorable and it's a good side view and tail pattern view.
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 15 Dec 2020, 20:47
by MissNoodle
Some more photos, another of the schutes
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 21 Dec 2020, 09:00
by MissNoodle
Okay so laugh at me... but I dont have good close eyesight and my camera isn't picking up the details like id like, so I pulled out a magnifying glass to take a closer look...
I'm fairly certain he's another Platorynchus! Now... if he's male that'd be awesome
Re: Juvenile Farlowella ID
Posted: 02 Apr 2021, 05:21
by MissNoodle
bekateen wrote: 06 Dec 2020, 17:47
Okay. Maybe needs a little filling in and growing?
Cheers, Eric
An update on this dude...
Hes grown quite a bit more, though hadn't been convinced to try prepared foods or veggies like my older ones.
However.
His weird belly schutes are changing and developing into a 3rd row!
So, what species would we think, since I think a 3rd row rules out Platorynchus.
