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Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 04 Sep 2023, 06:31
by Tucker
I have a pair of catfish I would like to know what species they are.

They were labeled as Sturisoma panamense, but am reading they are rarely if ever imported to US.

What photos are needed to narrow the species down?

Thanks!

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 04 Sep 2023, 07:17
by bekateen
Hi Tucker,

Minimally it helps to see clear, focused images of side view of head with dorsal fin flared, side view of tail flared, ventral view of abdominal plates, dorsal view of whole body with pectoral fins clear.

We can get informed ideas with that, but even with good photos, sometimes a proper ID can't be made without knowing as much as possible about original collection site.

Cheers, Eric

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 04 Sep 2023, 17:36
by Tucker
I'm no photography expert by any stretch. Here are the best of what I could gather.

For future pics, I have cleaned the aquarium glass with alcohol.

To my surprise, I now see 12 eggs the male is guarding. Tankmates are South American tetras.

As for collection location, it is unknown. Five of them came in as contaminates in an Amazon basin import, in a bag of hundreds of "common otos."

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 04 Sep 2023, 17:40
by Tucker
Five more pics. ALL are of the male except the full-body view (last one in prior post) which is the female.

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 04 Sep 2023, 18:59
by bekateen
From the abdominal photo, I can at least confirm it's and not . Sturisoma has the medial abdominal plates arranged in three rather obvious rows. Sturisomatichthys has its abdominal plates arranged more randomly, so that the plates don't make three obvious lines. That's what I see in your photo.

Sadly, I'm not good at ID'ing these beyond genus. Hopefully someone else can add info.

P.S., Good on you for spawning them. That's terrific! :-) :YMAPPLAUSE:

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 04 Sep 2023, 20:44
by Tucker
Thanks @bekateen - much appreciated. Every clue helps!

Been breeding and raising Farlowella vittata for a few years so hoping can raise these.

I love to see a species reproduce in captivity; to me ir means I am providing a good environment for them.

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 04 Sep 2023, 21:14
by bekateen
Tucker wrote: 04 Sep 2023, 20:44I love to see a species reproduce in captivity; to me ir means I am providing a good environment for them.
:heart: I feel exactly the same. Good luck! :-)

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 05 Sep 2023, 03:28
by Tucker
Looks like eggs are fertile woot!

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 05 Sep 2023, 03:44
by bekateen
Yes. I see little embryos are forming.

Cheers, Eric

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 05 Sep 2023, 08:05
by Tucker
Sturisomatichthys panamense perhaps? Hrmmmm...

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 07 Sep 2023, 16:29
by Tucker
Close to hatching I think!

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 08 Sep 2023, 04:17
by Tucker
Does anyone know where I could find reference material to determine species? I doubt they are the critically endangered fish as sold.

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 11 Sep 2023, 22:04
by Tucker
Two becomes 14. FISH-MATH.

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 11 Sep 2023, 23:50
by bekateen
Nice. What are you feeding them? Have you checked out this thread? https://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/vie ... hp?t=51546

Cheers,
Eric

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 00:57
by Tucker
Same thing as when I raise Farlowella vittata fry: Bacter AE and Spirulina powder, Nori sheets, zucchini, and stones and driftwood chunks with algae anf biofilm growing on it.

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 21 Sep 2023, 22:05
by Tucker
Likely not Sturisomatichthys panamense per Jools information in the above post.

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 24 Sep 2023, 17:42
by Tucker
Had a pair. Then 12 fry.

Now 36 eggs laid last night.

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 24 Sep 2023, 21:38
by bekateen
Congratulations!

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 29 Sep 2023, 03:20
by NeptuneNomad92
Congrats! Must be very exciting haha

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 12 Oct 2023, 05:21
by Tucker
Over 4x the size since hatching.

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 12 Oct 2023, 06:03
by bekateen
Looking good! How is your survival rate?

Cheers, Eric

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 19 Oct 2023, 01:07
by Tucker
1 was staying curled and died at about 17 hours post-hatching. No losses since.

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 03 Nov 2023, 01:31
by Tucker
Guess I'll never know what they are.

Pics of unknown Sturisomatichthys species (44 days old) with Farlowella vittata fry (48 days old(.

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 03 Nov 2023, 08:23
by Jools
Tucker wrote: 03 Nov 2023, 01:31 Guess I'll never know what they are.
Probably .

Jools

Re: Sturisoma panamense?

Posted: 04 Nov 2023, 01:16
by Tucker
Thanks Jools!!