Ancistrus of some sort

[xander]

This is quite a different species than the breeding pair of Ancistrus that I have.
Probably cirrhosus or temminckii below

[MatsP]

Unless you have STRONG evidence AGAINST, I'd say the second fish is

Ancistrus cf_cirrhosus

. It is almost certainly not

Ancistrus temminckii

, as there is really no export of fish from Suriname, which is where the A. temminckii is from. There are plenty of books showing A. temminckii, but they are quite possibly wrong, unless the pictures are quite old [I do believe some fish were being exported from Suriname in the past decades, but not anytime recently enough to make it likely that any of these fish are actually still alive now].

The first fish is familiar, but I'll have to do some looking to find the correct ID.

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Mats

[xander]

thanks I'll try and get better pics in the mean time.

[andywoolloo]

looks just like my common BN's. beautiful, under rated pl*co.