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The hybrid Syno thread

Post by Richard B » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:11 am

Hopefully a lot of people who use Planet Catfish will be aware that there are a massive amount of hybrid synodontis out there. Love 'em or hate 'em, they are here to stay for the time being & although personally i am very much against them, things would be better if they were clearly identified at shops & not passed off as genuine species. There is lot's of good info in cat-e-log on hybrids & http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworl ... cle_id=269 this article in Shane's world.

Hybrids have though, in my more recent experience, become far more varied in types, & of a better "quality" that is to say they are getting far closer to genuine species. (EG we have seen hybrid decora with branched maxillary barbels, & multi hybrids almost identical save for a few black flecks in the white section of the dorsal).

I suspect there are starting to be many species crossed to create hybrids, that weren't crossed before but also that hybrids are being crossed with genuine species & perhaps hybrid type 1 with hybrid type 3 to create further variants.

In order to educate people where possible & compliment cat-e-log, i will try & post some of the things i see in this thread & would encourage anyone with hybrid examples to do the same.

Cat-e-log hybrid types...
Synodontis sp_hybrid(1)
Synodontis sp_hybrid(2)
Synodontis sp_hybrid(3)
Synodontis sp_hybrid(4)
Synodontis sp_hybrid(5)
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Re: The hybrid thread

Post by Richard B » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:28 am

Synodontis sp_hybrid(2) has long been thought to be a petricola x nigrita cross. This is the hybrid which in the UK was offered as Synodontis granulosa before we knew what young 'grannys' looked like. People said the white fin edges developed as the fish grew - this is not the case as has been proven by the captive breeding of Synodontis granulosa - see F1 pics in cat-e-log.

This hybrid seems to get a greater number of body spots as the fish grows as in the pic below.
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Re: The hybrid thread

Post by Richard B » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:39 am

A new hybrid i encountered yesterday was labelled "Petricola Hybrid" but is extremely close to Synodontis granulosa - frighteningly so.

The only differences, (bar correct labelling) is the price (as 'Granny's' are very expensive) & the fact the dark & white portions of the fins are not clearly segregated as they are on genuine fish.
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Re: The hybrid thread

Post by Richard B » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:50 am

Synodontis sp_hybrid(4) is often sold as Synodontis multipunctata. This hybrid is being seen more & more regularly. It is very similar to Synodontis sp_hybrid(1)
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This one has been labelled S Pardalis, Tiger syno, leopard syno.
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Re: The hybrid thread

Post by Richard B » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:57 am

This one could be a genuine species as it has more than a passing resemblence to Synodontis ocellifer but is being offered for sale as Synodontis njassae is clearly is not a rift lake species
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Re: The hybrid thread

Post by Jools » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:32 pm

Richard B wrote:A new hybrid i encountered yesterday was labelled "Petricola Hybrid" but is extremely close to Synodontis granulosa - frighteningly so.

The only differences, (bar correct labelling) is the price (as 'Granny's' are very expensive) & the fact the dark & white portions of the fins are not clearly segregated as they are on genuine fish.
I have four of these and am growing them up. I think though that mine have grey as opposed to white barbles.

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Re: The hybrid thread

Post by Richard B » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:35 pm

Jools wrote:
Richard B wrote:A new hybrid i encountered yesterday was labelled "Petricola Hybrid" but is extremely close to Synodontis granulosa - frighteningly so.The only differences, (bar correct labelling) is the price (as 'Granny's' are very expensive) & the fact the dark & white portions of the fins are not clearly segregated as they are on genuine fish.
I have four of these and am growing them up. I think though that mine have grey as opposed to white barbles.
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Re: The hybrid thread

Post by Richard B » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:03 pm

Sorry - a particularly poor photo

S Multipunctata hybrid - note though particularly the first (hard spine) ray of the dorsal is white - Multipunctata do not have this.
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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

Post by jippo » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:57 pm

Thanks Richard for this thread.

Can you post some of these earlier hybrid ornatipinnis and decora photos here too. Those are quite common also at the moment.

I will check my hybrid photos when i got more time.

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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

Post by Richard B » Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:06 am

jippo wrote:Thanks Richard for this thread.

Can you post some of these earlier hybrid ornatipinnis and decora photos here too. Those are quite common also at the moment.

I will check my hybrid photos when i got more time.
I will drop some links to other threads, but am not sure of the protocols of posting other peoples pics???
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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

Post by Birger » Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:56 am

I will drop some links to other threads, but am not sure of the protocols of posting other peoples pics???
Links to other threads are good and then we can post pics as we get additions (and permission to use those pics).


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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

Post by Timberwolf » Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:41 am

I can happily say that my hybrid syno was not represented to me as anything other than an orphaned syno. It had been dropped off at the LFS by someone who was tearing down their tanks to move. The employees knew she was a synodontis, but didn't even want to guess.

MatsP has labeled her Synodontis sp. hybrid (8).
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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

Post by Jools » Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:54 am

You might want to consider editing the first post to list all the hybrids in the catelog. E.G. Synodontis sp_hybrid(1) etc?

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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

Post by Richard B » Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:56 am

I didn't have my camera with me so no pic :( but MA stratford-upon-avon have one of what looks to be a balloon syno - like balloon parrot cichlids, balloon mollies. :eek:

I can't be sure as it was partly concealed but certainly it was disproportionate in body length & was brown hybrid of some sort

We've seen pics of balloon o.Niger so i suspect it would be possible to "balloon" a syno......

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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

Post by Richard B » Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:07 am

Jools wrote:You might want to consider editing the first post to list all the hybrids in the catelog. E.G. Synodontis sp_hybrid(1) etc?Jools
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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

Post by Richard B » Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:15 am

Timberwolf wrote:I can happily say that my hybrid syno was not represented to me as anything other than an orphaned syno. It had been dropped off at the LFS by someone who was tearing down their tanks to move. The employees knew she was a synodontis, but didn't even want to guess.

MatsP has labeled her Synodontis sp. hybrid (8).

Shouldn't this be hybrid 6 not 8? (as there aren't a 6 & 7 currently)
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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

Post by Carp37 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:35 pm

I can see hybrids 6 and 7 in the Cat-eLog- could just be a timing difference.
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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

Post by MatsP » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:04 pm

I haven't added any new hybrid species yet. It will have whatever is the "next number" when I get around to doing that.

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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

Post by Richard B » Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:25 pm

Carp37 wrote:I can see hybrids 6 and 7 in the Cat-eLog- could just be a timing difference.
I still cant see hybrid 6 or 7?
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Re: The hybrid Syno thread

Post by MatsP » Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:44 pm

There are currently, five hybrids in the list. There may be other "unidentified" species, but the only ones with "hybrid" as part of the name are these (you can bookmark/reuse that link, and it will show the actual number at the time).

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