Syno ID (from another forum)

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I have a mixture of flat slate, coral sand and some gravel. To be honest he spends most of his time in his drain pipes which are smooth inside and out. He comes out for feeding but its like a smash and grab. He whisks all his food back into his pipe.
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That would count as Normal Syno behaviour in my book - they aren't the most outgoing characters, and only come out for a quick bite and then back into hiding again.

I'm sure the gravel isn't causing problems with this fish. If you have small/digging fish or fish that like to hide in the substrate, then you would be better off with sand.

If you LIKE to have sand, then by all means change it. But there is no need to change it for the same of this particular fish.

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MatsP wrote:- they aren't the most outgoing characters, and only come out for a quick bite and then back into hiding again. --Mats

Hmmm - i wouldn't say this is a blanket comment but rather mostly true -on occasions some synos can be bold as brass, all the time, lights on etc - it does definately depend on several factors - set-up & species being most important
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Yes, of course. But it's more the exception than the rule that they spend time out in the open.

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Thanks for the input. I think I'll just stick with the gravel/sand and slate as it is for now. I don't have any other bottom feeders because I tried that and he massacred them!! A lesson learned. He also killed 5 neons over night once. My fault again. All i found were some bits of bodies!. He does spend some time out with his pipes but its usually when he's hungry. I feed him on flake and bloodworm. Is there anything else he would appreciate? I've tried lettuce and cucumber but all he wants to do is play with it.
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Yes, I would expect "meaty" food such as bloodworms and common flake/granule food is what I'd expect it to prefer. <Self-promotion>I wrote an article on feeding plecos, which discusses various "Home made" food for plecos. The foods as such are suitable for almost any fish - may need to be chopped/cut down to suit, but it may give you some ideas for "supermarket" fish-food. Try a few things, see what the fish thinks... The article is linked at the right of this post, where it says Articles (2) </Self Promotion>

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Thats really interesting!! I also have 3 plecos. They're all common run of the mill and they love tomatoes, peas, courgette, cucumber, sweet potato and if they get the chance baked potato. I say get the chance because I have a tin foil barb who has hollow legs (if he had legs!) Actually can you tell me if you can get leucistic common plecos because that's what I THINK he is?
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Yes, common plecos come in "leucistic" or "amelanistic" forms, as well as some other colour variants, and of course the normal "brown pattern".

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Thank you for that. Haven't seen any apart from this one but then i again they're all pleco's i've taken in for one reason or another. The one in the picture came because his tank burst!! Was meant to be temporary 4 months ago. Hmph. LOL
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For feeding the syno you could try green beans, peas, lentils or other pulses, earthworms, flies, beetles, woodlice, crabmeat, lobster, shrimp, prawn, mussell or oyster
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i shall try most of them. The swimming side plate (tin foil barb) steals everything. 6 algae tablets at once for instance. Not sure about the worms or slaters (woodlice) as i.m a big beastie and bug fan. I know its madness. Would you advise part cooking sweet or normal potato? I also have a big bit of root in the tank which the cream one adores. Would he be better with driftwood? Any further ideas on my syno while you.re here?
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I think if you try JBL Novo Pleco XL tablets, your tin foil barbs will not be able to chew up the whole algae wafer. And at least your big pleco will be able to chew one of those down pretty quickly. It also helps to feed most catfish in the dark.

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he swallows them whole :-D. Flips them about til they are in the right position, vertical, and they.re gone! I.ll google those tablets tomorrow but even if they.re hard tablets he'll still swoop on them.
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The JBL ones are about the size of a 20p piece (but not 7-sided, they are circular). Unless your tin foil barbs are VERY large [and yes, I know they grow large], they shouldn't be able to gulp those down.

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well i.ll look them up tomorrow. Still no thoughts on the syno? Got another photo tonight so i.m on a roll lol
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have sourced them and bought some on line. The packet looks familiar so i think i may have tried them before. The TFB isn't overly massive. Just side plate size. Hubby describes him as bbq size :-O
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can we say for definite what he is then? Thanks for reading.
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can we say for definite what he is then? Thanks for reading.
Are you talking about the syno or the pleco?

If the syno than I stick with my previous choice for the reasons stated.

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gonnaenodaethat wrote:can we say for definite what he is then? Thanks for reading.
The Syno or the Pleco? The Pleco, I'm 100% sure that it's a Pterygoplichthys - it gets harder when it's lacking it's natural colour to say WHICH species it is. It is highly likely that it is Pterygoplichthys pardalis or Pterygoplichthys disjunctivus - [1] I can pretty much rule out several other species - it's not P. gibbiceps or P. scrophus, and it's most likely [99% certain] a captive bred fish which rules out most, if not all, of the other species we have listed.

As to the Syno, I'm not sure we can get a much better answer than what Birger gives, unless Sidguppy or Richard B disagrees with that...

[1] I don't feel at all bad at not being able to tell the difference on these, as even Jon Armbruster can not always say for certain [and that is on fish that are "normal colour"]. Jon is one of the world-leading experts on Loricariidae, and has a list on his personal web-page 32 papers describing new species or revising/redescribing existing species - he's not the main author on all of them, but on many. That beats 12000 forum posts by some margin... ;)

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ah sorry. Yeah i meant the cat fish. The plec is what i suspected he was. I.m very happy to at last have a name for the cat fish i.ll need to learn to say it. I.m a bit sad that he's maybe wild caught but he's got a good life in my tank where he is the boss. Thank you so much. Your knowledge is amazing. The feeding tips will also come in very handy. Once again. Thanks. Ann.
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