Ancistrus ID please?... And they spawned. :-)

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Re: Ancistrus ID please?

Post by bekateen » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:38 pm

UPDATE: Here's today's photo of the largest fish, the one that looked orange on day of purchase and had odd-colored irises with pin-point pupils.
  • Body mostly black with red undertones.
  • Iridescent spots on this individual still look different than those on other individuals- more diffuse borders and irregularly shaped compared to other fish in same group. Iridescent spots might also be more numerous and consequently tightly-packed than on other individuals.
  • Fins less red than before but still bright red on tips. Still looks like a 7-pointer.
  • White highlights on fin reduced but still present.
These fish are growing quickly. Not as peculiar looking as on day of purchase, but still beautiful. I'm eager to get these to breed and see if the babies go through the same color phases as the parents did when they were smaller.

Personal reflection on my OP: I got the developmental color progression flat-out wrong. These fish weren't all transitioning to orange; perhaps the orange may have been the stress coloration.

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Re: Ancistrus ID please?

Post by bekateen » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:28 am

Today's pictures.

At least two males have fast-developing bristles going up the face.

I think the second one is a female. Flared dorsal fin looks nice.

I couldn't measure the largest fish today (the big orange fish on day one), but I measured the second and third largest fish today. They are both over 70mm SL (over 2cm longer than when purchased two months ago); the largest male is 75mm SL. How big do they need to get before they'll spawn? :YMDAYDREAM:

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Re: Ancistrus ID please?

Post by Fundulopanchax76 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:50 am

What is the earliest age Ancistrus genus start breeding ? Does somebody know ?

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Re: Ancistrus ID please?

Post by bekateen » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:17 pm

My albino BNs were this size when they started, but interspecific comparison means little in this context.
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Re: Ancistrus ID please?

Post by Jobro » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:07 pm

My L183 took about 3 years :-/
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Re: Ancistrus ID please?

Post by bekateen » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:37 pm

Jobro wrote:
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My L183 took about 3 years :-/
Were they wild caught or captive bred?

My wild caught maccus took 2-3 years also, but their F1 fry took just over one year.
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Re: Ancistrus ID please?

Post by MarlonnekeW » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:53 pm

I only have experience with one Ancistrus species, L159. They were captive bred and spawned for the first time 7 months after I got them. I'm not sure how old my fish were when I bought them, but if I look at my own fry, I would say between 3 and 5 months old. That would mean they were between 10 and 12 months old at the time of the first spawn.

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Re: Ancistrus ID please?

Post by Jobro » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:03 am

bekateen wrote:
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Jobro wrote:
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My L183 took about 3 years :-/
Were they wild caught or captive bred?

My wild caught maccus took 2-3 years also, but their F1 fry took just over one year.
They were tank bred. Took the males 2 years before they showed bristles...
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Post by bekateen » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:02 pm

Woke up to this site a few minutes ago: A male facing out of a cave, with another Ancistrus trapped behind him. Does this species trap with the male in the cave tail-first? :YMPRAY:

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Post by bekateen » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:54 pm

Update on the Ancistrus sp. Rio Ucayali. Largest male 85mm SL. Largest female (the orange fish on day of purchase) 75mm SL. Comparing males I see some (e.g., largest male) have only bifurcating bristles, while others (two smaller males) have trifurcating bristles. If it was an age/size/dominance feature, I'd expect the reverse pattern. Is it genetic? Has anyone else noticed such a difference before?
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Post by bekateen » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:10 am

Here's a video reviewing the changes in these fish over the last (almost) four months. Some have grown over 1 cm per month.

Growth and Color Change in Bright Colored Ancistrus sp Rio Ucayali

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Post by bekateen » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:36 pm

\M/ After the big water change and (what I thought would be a stressful) video and photo shoot yesterday, they spawned overnight! Hooray! :-BD

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Re: Ancistrus ID please?... And they spawned. :-)

Post by Shane » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:47 am

I believe your Ancistrus had this condition
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Especially as you have seen it before in your area and it appears localized to certain shops.
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Post by bekateen » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:41 pm

Hmmm. Interesting possibility. These Ancistrus were from the same shop as the Hemiancistrus in the thread you cited, Shane. This idea makes a lot of sense, particularly for the orange female; I just figured her colors might be an extreme stress coloration. But I didn't consider that for the other fish. I can't imagine what they are treating the fish with to cause this - I know they treat some diseased fish with old fashioned Nox-Ich; I don't know what they use as a dechlorinator or if they use other water treatments.

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I'd also considered the possibility that the colors were due to being kept on black gravel and being fed live black worms (I don't know what other foods he uses besides live worms, but live black worms are a staple for almost all fish in his store).

I will talk to the owner about his water treatments.

Thanks Shane.

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Post by bekateen » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:18 pm

Dang, on Tuesday (day 3 of incubation), I observed the egg mass (photo) and noticed that some eggs had turned white. :YMSIGH: Wednesday morning I discovered all the eggs gone and dad fanning an empty cave. I suppose this isn't a surprise, since I've seen many first spawns turn out bad. Not sure if it's bad eggs, bad sperm, or bad technique (either dad or mom), but no matter. Hopefully they spawn again soon. :YMPRAY:
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Post by bekateen » Thu May 03, 2018 4:08 am

Yay! They spawned again! Hopefully this brood hatches! :-)

I have no clue if it's the same parents, but this spawn comes 17 days after the first spawn. Back when I kept a breeding pair of ABNs, the female could produce a new clutch of eggs every 18-19 days. I wonder if this timing will hold for this Ancistrus species as well.

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Post by bekateen » Sat May 05, 2018 4:52 am

Came from work to see the cave empty. The eggs failed again.

When they spawn next time, I may take the eggs and try hatching them in a tumbler.

Others have suggested my water chem might not be right for good fertilization rates. Maybe too alkaline?

I hope they breed sooner this next time so I don't have to wait so long to try new things.

Keeping a stiff upper lip!

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Post by bekateen » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:52 pm

Yay, I thought all the eggs from the two spawns had fungused or failed but apparently that's not the case! :-) This little fish is about 3/4"-1" TL. I hope there are more in the tank.

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Re: Ancistrus ID please?... And they spawned. :-)

Post by stuby » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:24 pm

Good news Eric, will keep my fingers crossed that more are hiding!

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