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How big is the female ray?
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the female is "only" 18 inches (45 cm) and that was her first pregnancy...

thanks for comments, it's always a pleasure to share such pictures with people who appreciate... :-BD
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I am starting the planning process for a ray "pond " but no one had responded to the thread. I think it is in tank talk or speak easy section.

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I'm going to have a look at your topic... I'd be glad to help you not doing the same mistakes that I did, building this tank.

you should take a look at "Monster Fish Keeper", they got a section for Stingrays... and you may find valuable informations and experiences...

I posted an answer here on your topic.
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Going to read now. Thanks.

I always enjoy your updates. All of your fish and plants look amazing.
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good news in my big tank : the Leo x P14 female stingray had already "delivered" in July... she was gravid when I bought her, covered by a Leopoldi male...
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two puppies from July
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this is the male Leo x Black Diamond when he arrived by me, in March 2012... now he's twice this size (45 cm) and he's the father of a second batch
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small picture of this December 5th batch, with 4 new pups (sadly one female didn't make it through the first 24 hours)
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I'm quite glad !

and soon, I guess I'll have news from Panaque L191, Panaque schaeferi and who knows, from Osteoglossum, too...

love this tank !
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How big is your Panaque schaeferi? Haven't seen any pics of it. Would be interesting to see some pics of it.
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I have 4 Panaques which are supposed To be schaeferi. I'll shoot vids latter this week and we will talk about it
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hi you all... I've been quite busy with my life these last months (years ? funny how a child can bring adaptation to your life) and didn't take care of this topic... one week holidays on my own and it's time to post new pictures...

not a lot, but just to come back to Basics : L-numbers...

and to answer to 7Pete, among others...

a nice picture (although shot with GoPro3 underwater with no correct cropping) of 2 of my 7 Panaque sp L191, right in front of the Tunze 20m3/h :

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and 2 others pictures (older) of one of the "supposed" Panaque schaeferi... they got bigger, from that time, but I'm still unable to approach them with a camera...

April 2012, 14 cm :
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April 2013 (much bigger) :
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I guess the schaeferi are around 40 cm TL yet... and L191 a bit more than 30 for the biggest... not sure...

almost 2 years later, I'm considering to use a net again to take them out for a few pictures... why not tomorrow ? too cold to go trout fishing...
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Great pictures! The growth you're getting with your Panaque is awesome. I'd love to see more if/when you catch the others.
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3 pictures of this morning of a "supposed" Panaque schaeferi

shot under only 3000 liters, in "big cleaning mode", fish are stressed and water is full of dirt in the flow...

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this baby one is 42 cm TL...
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Very nice, I don't think I've seen the belly pattern of adults before. What makes you hesitant to call these Panaque schaeferi?

The growth you get out of these guys always astounds me. It can't be far from what you'd expect to find in their natural habitat. What is your water change schedule and feeding regime?
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X_X Waterchange is a big topic at home... 100% weekly which allows me To spare monney on filtering. Water is much less expensive than electricity.

Considering feeding : they get 3-4 cucumbers weekly and a big full hand of Sturgeon pellets daily. Plus the "meaty" stuff Cichla, stingrays and arowanas let fall on the Bottom. And lots of wood of course

I'm starting a dry season stimulation today as I think my Fish could be mature enough to try something
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For ID of them I have doubts... Mainly because 2 of them stay smaller and have a very différent coloration and pattern. Even if they look quite similar for the bodyshape
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For filtration are you still using the big box 'pond' type filter?

Do you have any pictures of the different ones? I recently saw a bunch of about 20 juveniles (4-8cm) and there was quite a lot of variation amongst them. Most were patternless with a dull grey body colour, but some individuals showed creamy/grey base colour and pattern throughout the body extending in to the fins. The only larger ones I've seen were about 25cm and mostly patternless.
Juvenile P. schaeferi - dull individuals
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Sub adult P. schaeferi
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I'm still using the "gravity pond box" (Oase BioSmart Set 14000) in complement to a bigger pool sand filter (12m3/h with 90 kg sand). Quite good if coupled with the massive water changes... my problem is the fact that every single fish in this tank is a big (to giant) predator or a big messy-trouble-shit maker...

unfortunately, I don't have any picture of the 3 other Panaque schaeferi... I'm still trying to shoot with the GoPro3... I'll keep in touch about this.

the 2 smaller "P. schaeferi" are more or less like the one you show on your last picture. When they arrived home, they were much like the ones on your first picture, particularly considering the caudal fin.
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hi you all,

a few vids... with Cichla kelberi, Arowanas and Astronotus occelatus

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another one... with Panaque schaeferi & L191

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last one... feeding Cichla, and a close-up of L191 and close up of Stingrays

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