L128 Spawn!
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Re: L128 Spawn!
I've just returned from a 10/11 day business trip, when doing water changes yesterday I found all 4 adult L128 dead, all my other fish are fine, including the 6 young which are in a different tank. I've added some pictures below but I believe there were several factors which caused this, hopefully by sharing them others can avoid similar issues. I don't believe it was leaving the fish for 10/11 days which caused them to die, but:
1. I recently started trying a new food which they didn't seem to take to as well as the previous one, I left instructions that they be fed this 3 times while I was away, they didn't eat much if any of the food, which was decaying in the tank when I returned. Next time, I will not leave instructions to feed any larger fish while I'm away, they will be fine for a week or two without food. Maybe just a small pinch of flake for small tetras to keep them going once a week.
2. The flow from the filter (air powered HMF) was very slow when I returned, the same for the air driven sponge filter, I should have cleaned these before I left, and with the decaying food maybe there was an issue with low dissolved oxygen in the water, due to the significantly reduced flow.
3. From looking at the faeces a while back I thought they may need to be wormed soon, but I kept putting it off, maybe this didn't help when combined with the other factors above.
4. I noticed a yellow oily like substance, in some of the caves and floating on the water, maybe fats from the fish decaying, maybe something else? I've not seen this before, there is a picture below.
I tested for Ammonia, but found none, I was expecting to find some, the smell wasn't great, after that I didn't perform any further tests.
One fish, I believe the female, was in a worse state than the others, had maybe been dead for 2-3 days, very swollen, with eyes popping out, I guess this further contributed to the loss of the others, who only showed very early signs of swelling. The one with the hollow looking stomach in the pictures below is the one which was most swollen but deflated while I was removing it from the tank.
The young look great, so I will concentrate on raising them for now, hopefully they will breed in a year or two once they put on some more size.
1. I recently started trying a new food which they didn't seem to take to as well as the previous one, I left instructions that they be fed this 3 times while I was away, they didn't eat much if any of the food, which was decaying in the tank when I returned. Next time, I will not leave instructions to feed any larger fish while I'm away, they will be fine for a week or two without food. Maybe just a small pinch of flake for small tetras to keep them going once a week.
2. The flow from the filter (air powered HMF) was very slow when I returned, the same for the air driven sponge filter, I should have cleaned these before I left, and with the decaying food maybe there was an issue with low dissolved oxygen in the water, due to the significantly reduced flow.
3. From looking at the faeces a while back I thought they may need to be wormed soon, but I kept putting it off, maybe this didn't help when combined with the other factors above.
4. I noticed a yellow oily like substance, in some of the caves and floating on the water, maybe fats from the fish decaying, maybe something else? I've not seen this before, there is a picture below.
I tested for Ammonia, but found none, I was expecting to find some, the smell wasn't great, after that I didn't perform any further tests.
One fish, I believe the female, was in a worse state than the others, had maybe been dead for 2-3 days, very swollen, with eyes popping out, I guess this further contributed to the loss of the others, who only showed very early signs of swelling. The one with the hollow looking stomach in the pictures below is the one which was most swollen but deflated while I was removing it from the tank.
The young look great, so I will concentrate on raising them for now, hopefully they will breed in a year or two once they put on some more size.
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Re: L128 Spawn!
Sorry for your fish ! I just found my 128 eat with big appetite raw potatoes so i have not problem with food anymore. Of course they have ever been eating flakes and tablets. Maybe you can find some new big 128 on market ?
But yes decaying food is reason for death of yours - it makes bacterias breed explosively and they atack and kill fish ! That happens everytime someone let too much food in the tank !
But yes decaying food is reason for death of yours - it makes bacterias breed explosively and they atack and kill fish ! That happens everytime someone let too much food in the tank !
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Re: L128 Spawn!
Sorry to hear you lost them! It happens to us all.....
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Re: L128 Spawn!
Raw potatoes? Really? huh.Fundulopanchax76 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 11:18 Sorry for your fish ! I just found my 128 eat with big appetite raw potatoes so i have not problem with food anymore. Of course they have ever been eating flakes and tablets. Maybe you can find some new big 128 on market ?
But yes decaying food is reason for death of yours - it makes bacterias breed explosively and they atack and kill fish ! That happens everytime someone let too much food in the tank !
Sorry for your loss. Getting them grown to a point where you can reliably identify a pair and get them spawning takes a lot of time, patience, and love.
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Sorry for your loss. That is always disappointing. And frustrating.
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Re: L128 Spawn!
I think it's mostly reduced DO - been there. That said, I also learned never to clean a filter less than three days before a trip because they can sometimes break due to cleaning. If I were travelling on a Monday, I'd always hit the maintenance on Friday night or Saturday morning.
I've left fishes in the fish room for 2 weeks without food, no issue. It's failure of filters and less so heaters that account that have caused me the most grief.
HTH,
Jools
I've left fishes in the fish room for 2 weeks without food, no issue. It's failure of filters and less so heaters that account that have caused me the most grief.
HTH,
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Re: L128 Spawn!
Thanks Jools, next time I won't feed when I'm away, I guess I've got lucky with everything being fine in the past.
I didn't think the HMF would clog so quickly, I have a feeling it may have been something to do with the gelling agents in the Repashy food, as the two tanks where I heavily feed Repashy had the foam clog, but none of the others have. I'll feed that a bit more sparingly in future.
I didn't think the HMF would clog so quickly, I have a feeling it may have been something to do with the gelling agents in the Repashy food, as the two tanks where I heavily feed Repashy had the foam clog, but none of the others have. I'll feed that a bit more sparingly in future.
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Re: L128 Spawn!
Also consider adding cherry shrimp to infest the HMF.
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Re: L128 Spawn!
Good idea I'll look out for some this weekend!
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Re: L128 Spawn!
you know how much I understand what you just lived...
but most of all, finding solutions not to repeat this defeat/error/drama (choose the right word) and to raise again.
but most of all, finding solutions not to repeat this defeat/error/drama (choose the right word) and to raise again.
the Potamotrygon adventure has begun...
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Re: L128 Spawn!
So sorry for your loss
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