Making my 800 gallon bigger!!

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 11 Feb 2009, 00:56

When I drilled and plumbed my tanks for a sump, I had a few "leaks" caused by various things - ranging from "not putting enough solvent-weld-cement on the joint" to "stupid ideas". But in the end, it worked out. But I only had some 60 gallons...

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Mats

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 12 Feb 2009, 15:00

I'm actually shocled about the plumbing leaks, ok, well one I'm not... LOL But the other I was... My plumbing never leaks!

Here’s a few videos about the leak. I had this interesting set of eleven videos of when I first filled the tank… I shot a quick snippet every 15 minutes, but youtube rejected like half of them and I ended up deleting them all… I’ll take pictures every 15 minutes next time, since pictures don’t take fifteen hours to load! LOL

#25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZY9TtSXizU

#26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq7clWk6hk0

#27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MpM-SDkG_E

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 13 Feb 2009, 12:46

I got this fixed this morning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA9heisbS2k

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 13 Feb 2009, 17:59

Butch sent me some more pond armor to work with so I can get the sump lined with it today. It just got here so I’m soaking it in a tub of hot water to warm it up before I start mixing. So I figured since I had an hour to wait for that I’d let you guys know that I did a final measurement on everything The tank, including the sump total 1549.65 gallons. 1549 doesn’t quite roll off the tongue like “800” did. For some reason I think I’ll get used to saying 1500 gal. The sump holds 163.09 gallons when full and the tank holds the difference. Now that’s at idle. When the pump gets plugged in it will draw about 100 gallons or so out of the sump tank in order to run the filter…So do you think it’s fair to call it the 1500? Or should it be the1386? Or should it be the 1486 while it’s running? What do YOU think? Also, some people are interested in the fish I have and what I got at the O.C.A. auction. I’ll load those videos tonight and post them tomorrow. Loading videos slows the computers down to the annoying point similar to the dial up days of the 90’s LOL That’s why videos get posted the next morning…

I will be test filling this evening once more so hopefully that goes well… At any rate thanks for looking!

El Loricadio · Post by **El Loricadio** » 13 Feb 2009, 19:33

You are a very commited person, take your time you'll get it done. The more you bust your back, the bigger your satisfaction will be.
More or less 1500 gals.

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 16 Feb 2009, 01:46

After numerous attempts at filling and re-sealing I still have a leak. Unfortunately I cannot find the source. I am not sure what my next step is going to be but I will be taking a break from this project. You tube consistently keeps rejecting my videos all of a sudden so there will be no video up date this time around. I did fill the tank and sump (which does not leak) this afternoon and I also finished the plumbing for the filter. I temporarily put the pump in and tried to run a cycle on the tank. Unfortunately the tank is going to need another bulkhead to feed the sump as the pump almost overflowed the tank while simultaneously draining the sump tank. According to my calculations each inch of the tank is 39.83 gallons and it takes two inches to fill the pipes in the filter system so roughly 80 gallons to get the filter running. But again, the sump is not getting fed fast enough. In theory the sump should be half full when running normally and completely full when sitting idle or during a power outage. If when I add another bulkhead to the tank it is still not enough then the sump tank needs to be larger. I find this hard to believe since this is the same pump that ran the 800 with zero issues in a sump tank that held only 115 gallons or so. The only difference is 12 gallons of water per inch in the addition. In my opinion 24 gallons is not enough of a difference to warrant a larger sump tank than 163 gallons. The major difference is one less bulkhead, one less feed to the sump.

That is where we stand.

I need to work tomorrow on a small job that should take less than 12 hrs to complete, so nothing is going to get done tomorrow.

Here is a punch list of things that need to happen before full operation and stocking of fish:

1.) Fix the leak.
2.) Install the under gravel jets and spray bar.
3.) Add a bulkhead and another run to the sump.
4.) Install and connect the heat coil.
5.) Make lids.
6.) Test everything for a week.
7.) Drain and decorate.
8.) Stock.

2-8 are very easy steps. It’s one that I’ve got an issue with. The only feasible idea I have is to re-coat the entire tank by spraying it. Other than that I’m open to ideas. I believe I’m only a few clicks away from reaching my limit of patience. Honestly, I’m past patience and frustration and have moved right onto the “I don’t care anymore” stage! LOL

So please. Any and all ideas are welcome.

Jonathan (aka TheFishGuy aka MonsterFishRescue)

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 18 Feb 2009, 03:37

Up Date:
Since you tube is not cooperating we’re going to do this up date old school… I got the entire tanks seams siliconed this afternoon. By the time I was finished (which it only took about 20 minutes) my eyes were burning! LOL I was able to keep the door open and there’s an exhaust fan just a few feet away in the small bathroom/laundryroom in the basement that I was able to keep on and it took care of most of the fumes from the silicone… Actually I think I’m still HIGH LOL. Here’s some pictures of that:

I also decided there wasn’t any reason the heat coil couldn’t be ran so I did that too… That really only took about 30 minutes seeing as I already had the thermostat wired and the pump installed. I’ll re-cap how this is intended to work. I might even go super old school and do a drawing in paint! Yeah… Let’s do that:

So here’s some coiled in the sump around a cage made from eggcrate from an old project. When I run out to my shed I’m going to grab a bunch of zip ties to separate the coils so they’re not touching each other. Hence the eggcrate… And it got the dang thing out of the way in the fish room! LOL

Here’s a shot of the heat lines running into the tank room and down into the sump. As you can see I took the 55 out in order to do this:

Here’s the pump mounted about 5’ up in the laundry room/little bathroom (which is essentially just a toilet, my toilet according to Dominic! LOL)

And here’s where you can see it going into the drain cock of the water heater.

Now I couldn’t just hook this up and not test it… So I filled the sump with 46* water and set the thermostat to 60*… We’ll see how it does… Of all the upgrades I’m doing to this tank this is the one I’m most excited about, well that and now I’m on the hunt for a giant piece of drift wood… Maybe I’ll just go cut a tree down in the back and wedge it in the tank so it doesn’t float… OOOO… Chainsaw!
That’s it in a nutshell, hopefully tomorrow will be a good day and we’ll have no more leaks. I’m goingto get on the horn with you tube and see what’s up their rear lately… Don’t they understand the importance of this? Sheesh… the nerve…

As always, if there’s any questions feel free to ask! I will do my best to typ out an answer for you… cuz you guessed it… you tube sucks!
Ps. Sorry for the book, but it would have only been a short video to listen to if you tube didn’t suck…

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 19 Feb 2009, 04:40

Up Date:
Well…. It’s been two hours and SHE HOLDS! The extra pipe running back into the sump because the pump was a little too much seems to be doing it’s job well! The tanks been running for about an hour now and all seems to be well!!!!!!!! So let me ask you… Did you enjoy the drama? LOL I didn’t. It took over six hours for me to fill this time, and my feet hurt from pacing back and forth! But who cares about me… I took a few pictures so we can go step by step through the saga of filling…
In this picture you’ll see that I’ve got the spray bar plumbed in. I decided in order to force myself to slowly fill the tank that I would fill the sump, shut the water off, then use the pump to pump the water into the tank. Then while the sump was filling from the tap again it would give me time to inspect everything. Then with one final inspection after the sump was full I’d plug the pump in adding 150 ish more gallons to the tank. It took eleven times in order to completely fill the tank.

Here are the spots where it leaked every other time it was filled. These were the spots where I closely inspected about five times after every time 150 ish gallons was put in the tank. The white line that you see in the pictures is the ¾ decking of the deep end, water would slowly dribble out from the top of it:

Now here’s the spray bar in action giving the tank a nice shower every half hour or so:

And here’s Max coming to inspect my work! LOL Future county building inspector! LOL

And here’s a slide show of the fill:

Then when the tank spilled a tiny bit of water into the sump tank I stopped filling it and started to just fill the sump tank. When both containers were at maximum then it was sitting at what I call “Idle” This mimics a power outage or when I unplug the pump to do a water change.

Somewhere in the middle of filling the tank I completed the plumbing return lines and the overflow line back to the sump:
Here’s the “overflow” line:

Unfortunately I did not get a picture of the line that feeds the under gravel jets. But it’s nothing exciting really, and hopefully you tube will let me get some videos up to night… You’ll see it then…

Since everything was plumbed and the tank and sump were full it came time to fire it up, and fire it up we did. Everything seems to work well, the water level has stayed the same though I did have to tone down the spray bar a bit. My theory is that once all the jets are in place it might slow things down enough where neither return line will have to be toned down.

The water level is holding steady at about an inch and a quarter down from the top. I wanted and inch and a half but what’s a quarter amongst friends? LOL

p.s. I did and have been shooting video so hopefully some day you tube will remove it’s head from it’s rear and allow them to get uploaded! I will not cheat anyone of the videos! BUT I’m considering making DVD’s of the whole process and selling them for like $5 to help fund the project and MFR. Think they’d sell? Of course there’d be bonus content of the fish room and videos I didn’t upload… Like my little rant about Sanitred LOL
Sorry about the massive post and tons of pictures taking forever to upload. Some sites only allow five pictures per post so on those sites I’ll be making multiple posts! Thanks again for looking… And oh, in the past hour or so the tanks temperature has gone up FIVE degrees!
TFG, MFR, JJS

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 19 Feb 2009, 20:23

I had a small confrence to go to this morning but when I got home I got this incredible burst of energy... I went out back and cut the top off a tree I cut down last year and put it in the tank! LOL It's 9' long, and the picture isn't all that great because of the bubbles on the glass... I couldn't find my magna sweep

Not only that but I got a half a ton of wash stone and brought most of it down to get ready to rinse it It was fun carying two five gallon pails full down stairs at a time... 12 buckets should do it...

AND I also brought in all of the decor that was under the pond liner outside the back door...

I'm begining to think there's seriously somethng wrong with me

As for the tank, the pump is dialed in and working well, things might change with that once all the jets are in but I'll deal with it... I plugged the pump back in at 6:45 am this morning and the heater had gotten the sump water up to 80*. After being gone for four hours the tank it's self climed 11* up to 72*... Then I decided to shut the thermostat off, there was no real reason to heat the tank up just to drain it Saturday AM... After I'm done posting it's down to the fish room for a few hours to start cleaning gravel, then I've got parent teacher confrences to night... I hate when life gets in the way of fun stuff... anyone wanna come over and rinse a half a ton of gravel?

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 19 Feb 2009, 23:19

Looks good.

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Mats

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 23 Feb 2009, 03:52

Thank you

The jets were installed Friday night alond with the bark getting stripped off the wood and the cross bucks getting painted with drylok:

It’s been a long time comin’ but the fish are in! The tank is full and holding just fine. The temperature last nite in the tank was only 71* As of this morning it was 77* We took a lot of pictures so here’s a slide show again for you. I was just too pooped to get to posting last nite…

Once the deep end was full with water from the pond I started to stock the tank and the first fish to venture into the rest of the tank was a female jaguar cichlid. Soon after it seemed everyone wanted to be up there. LOL The only fish I haven’t seen yet is the larger of the two iridescent sharks, but I expected that…
Here’s a list of what’s been put in so far:
Paco the pacu 22”
Female Jaguar 8”
Iridescent shark 15”
Iridescent shark 12”
Mad Barb 15”
Common pleco 17”
Leopard Sailfin Pleco 16”
Synodontis euptrus 7.5”
Tiger Oscar 10”
Common Oscar 12”
Tiger Oscar 9”
Silver Dollar 5”
Fire Mouth 5.5”
Bocourti 11”
Lemon Severum 4”
Green Severum 7.5”
Midas 9”
Black Belt 10”
Bocourti 10.5”
Jack Dempsey 6.5”
w/c Midas 10”
Convict 8”
Female Nicaraguan cichlid 5”
Uaru 5”
Male Nicaraguan Cichlid 6”
Male Robertsoni “Bob” 9.5”
Midas/???? Hybrid 8.5”
Belly Crawler pike cichlid 6”
Male Salvanii 6”
Black Belt 9”
Black belt 8.5”
Synodontis Notata 10”
Synpilum 11”
Male Jaguar cichlid 9”
Male Red Terror 8”
Black Belt 9.5”
Female Jaguar cichlid 7.5”
Silver Dollar 5.5”
Silver Dollar 5.5”
Midas 8.5”
Midas 8.5”
Intermedious 8.5”
Intermedious 8.5”
Midas 8.5”
Tilapia Mamfe 7.5”
Red Bay Snook 5”
Blue Acara 5”
Pim Cat 10” Silver Dollar 7”
Female Nicaraguan Cichlid 4”
Today I did water changes on all the other tanks and moved some more fish in:
Male Paratilapia polleni 8”
Female Paratilapia pollen 7”
Female Paratilapia pollen 6”
Tilapia Marae 4.5”
Tilapia buttikoferi 5”
Synodontis ocellifer 8”
Ctenopoma Kingsleyae 8.5”
Ctenopoma Kingsleyae 7.5”
Ctenopoma Kingsleyae 7”
Ctenopoma Kingsleyae 6”
Siamese bumble bee catfish 7.5”
Leopard Sailfin Catfish 16”

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 27 Feb 2009, 14:41

Here’s slide show of some pictures my wife took with her camera:

And this is the filter for the tank. The water first passes through 4 square feet of prefilter pad which is cushion for boat seats. This is the same material that was being used in the 800 and for filtering the pond when it was up. Then is passes through three three pound bags of charcoal. I’m hoping it helps to clear the tank up. Then finally it passes through the bio media then into the sump tank where the pump and the heating coil is located.

At first I just had the three 2” pipes running water into the filter but then I added an undergravel filter to spread the water around so it passes through more of the prefilter. So far it’s working great!

Richard B · Post by **Richard B** » 27 Feb 2009, 15:14

We need pics/video of all the fish swimming in the tank!

arapaimag · Post by **arapaimag** » 22 Mar 2009, 14:16

Glad to see the tank is up and running. Thanks for showing all the steps you went through to build it.

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 23 Mar 2009, 16:50

Hmmn..Never got notified........ Sorry about that????

Ok... So I'm a little fired up at the moment... Let me explain... I went to the village of Orwell (my home town) to ask if I could put out my Monster Fish Rescue.com sign in the front yard because I was hosting a board meeting for the Ohio Cichlid Association as I'm a board member and voulonteered to host a meeting. The sign is 18" x 24".

I went to the village and I asked if there was a permit I needed to get to put the sign out, she (Vicki Thomson who is the zoning inspector) said she wasn't sure but if I wanted to put it out this one time that was fine and then we'd talk about it at a later date... This came in the mail for me:

After calling this morning she tells me people were complaining about the sign... Likely story. No one has ever complained about the sign before I brought it to her attention. When I brought it to her attention I also told her that we're not open to the public and that rescues were performed over the internet and that at a last resort fish would come here. And 99% of the time I go get the fish IF the fish even needs to come here. Thankfully most rescues are resolved before even making it to the website or here! The last time someone came here and brought a fish that needed rescued was four months ago. And the sign was out for a couple of weeks at that time... Not a single complaint then...

So now I've got 90 days to shut down my non-profit LLC for running a buisiness out of my home. There's a Planning and Zoning Meeting April 21st @ 6:30 P.M. at:

179 West Main Street

Orwell Ohio 44076

They want me to come and ask for a conditional use permit which costs $175 because I run an internet fish rescue.

I'm asking for your support. If you believe that what I do is a good thing, if you're a supporter of Monster Fish Rescue then come to the meeting, it's open to the public. If you can't come to the meeting write a letter and send it to:

Orwell Zoning Commision

c/o Vicki Thomson

179 West Main Street

Orwell Ohio 44076

I'm not asking for donations, I'm asking for your support in any way you can. Personally I find the entire situation rediculous. No good deed goes unpunished.

If you sell Avon, or Creative Memories supplies, or have ever sold a single thing on eBay or Aquabid you're an internet buisiness. If you've ever babysat for someone, you're running a buisiness out of your home. Better run out and get that permit!

On a lighter note, youtube has pulled their head from their !@#% Here's some videos of the tank and our latest rescue!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJN3661BQjs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jKOvdnT7pg

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 23 Mar 2009, 22:14

This was written and posted on another forum I belong to. I , of course think it’s excellent! Feel free to do with it what you please.

[quote name='BenPursglove' date='Mar 23 2009, 08:55 PM' post='2317586']
OK if anyone wants to help support the MonsterFishRescue.com project please see the email at the bottom of this post.

I'm sure a little spammage from this site will soon sort them out and we can enjoy some more vids. Replace the "etc" at the end of the mail with your name...my mail is going as soon as I post this.

Dear Sir / Madam

It has recently come to my attention that you have recently served Lora& Jonathan Strazinsky (address unknown) with a “stop zoning and/or building violation” order via:
Orwell Zoning Commision
c/o Vicki Thomson
179 West Main Street
Orwell Ohio 44076

Whilst I understand that the laws of your county must be upheld, I think I must internationally state my disagreement regarding the issues surrounding this zoning order. Lora and Jonathan Strazinsky, in my opinion, do a particularly great service locally and to the wider USA community, as they re-house large to very large tropical fish that any negligent previous owner did not realize would grow so big for their fish tank upon buying them. This negligence is routed in fish shop supplying these creatures but there is no jurisdiction in place to stop these shops from doing so.
Lora and Jonathan Strazinsky do not ask for any profit nor recompense for their valued service and seek to further re-house said rescued fish into local attractions and beauty spots that will accommodate them comfortably in time.
For some while now I have been an admirer of Jonathan Strazinsky’s excellent work online, as I believe it embodies the true meaning of the word charity. Charity that is aimed at fish-keepers less knowledgeable than himself, who, in the act of fish keeping, and who decide to try to keep large adult fish in an uncomfortable, near death state in their homes wish to re-house their mistakes. I do not belive he seeks recompense from your juristiction nor from the USA government in the upkeep of these animals, yet.
In short, Jonathan’s work, in my opinion should be admired by your community and much more widely appreciated also, as he is running a non profit organization, I implore you to remove the zoning order. I am a fish keeper and animal owner / lover myself and cannot abide when a creature is destroyed because the owner is negligent. I hope that you will have the good sense to understand the work of Lora and Jonathan Strazinsky, understand what they do and therefore remove the zoning order and uphold the removal as soon as possible.
Yours faithfully

etc

If you want to support this guy email the above code to:

[email protected] unfortunately poor Cindy is the only point of contact on their contact page... she'll be busy then...
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Martin S · Post by **Martin S** » 24 Mar 2009, 10:17

email sent - good luck and i hope they see sense!
Martin

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 25 Mar 2009, 19:18

Thanks Martin

Ok, what do you say we get this thread back on track with some VIDEOS!!! People have asked about my other tanks and what fish I keep. So I took the camera down stairs to do a little tour of the basement…

Vid #1 is of some small tanks in the back behind the 240
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKEJuILRLFw

Vid #2 is more small tanks behind the 185
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix8zhy2jAew

Vid #3 is the 185
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDvAIVHfNJY

Vid #4 is the 240 (wifes frontosa tank with no frontosa in it at the moment LOL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAlHcLurM_w

Vid #5 is the 1500
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShOpQTHhkxQ

Vid #6 is of the mechanicals of the 1500 (filter and heating system)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAV2f8Rp9A0

I’m working on some statistics of the 1500 and I’ll post those later today

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 26 Mar 2009, 03:08

For you numbers people here’s some fun stats:

This represents total water volume involved in running the tank:

Sump = 163.09 25 ½” X 23” X 63 ½”
Right = 340.85 28” X 37 ¼” X 76 ¼”
Left = 458.18 28” X 42” X 90”
Deep = 587.53 52” X 29” X 90”
Total 1549.65

Videos shot of build: 52
Videos on you tube: 35
Total video views on you tube: 27,159
Total comments on you tube: 201
Threads on internet forums about this tank: 24
Total views on all threads combined: 80,116
Total posts of all threads combined: 2,865
Money spent on rebuild: $1,581.87
Tubes of liquid nails: 21
Total tubes of silicone: 23
¾” plywood: 3
5/8” plywood: 8
5/16” hardie panel: 11
Kits of pond armor used: 11
Weight of the glass: 7 tons
Total estimated man hours: 56
Beers drank during build: 6
Fish adopted out to new owners during build: 13
How many people asked what I was going to do about the gravel falling over the edge into the deep end: 11
How many times I crawled under the tank during the build: Too many…
Tears Shed when I couldn’t figure out the leak(s): Not a one

Total donations during construction: $60 Thank you to those three people, your support is much appreciated!

Date I emptied the 800: 11-14-08
Date the fish return to the 1500: 2-21-09

Fish were in the pool 98 days.

Here’s a break down of the sites I’ve started threads on about this tank:

Cichlid-Forum: 309 posts, viewed 21,913 times

MFK: 368 posts, viewed 14,366 times

Loaches on Line: 124 posts, viewed 5,204 times

Aquariacentral: 200 posts, viewed 4,363 times

Tropical Fish Forever: 207 posts, viewed 3,979 times

BC Aquaria: 98 posts, viewed 3,130 times

Arofanatics: 57 posts, viewed 2,962 times

Ultimate Bettas: 130 posts, viewed 2,627 times

Pet Fish.net: 108 posts, viewed 2,599 times

Plecofanatics.com: 89 posts, viewed 2,425 times

East Coast Aquarium Society: 106 posts viewed 1,944 times

Oscarfish.com: 118 posts, viewed 1,935 times

Oscarfishlover.com: 118 posts, viewed 1,911 times

Cichlid Madness: 129 posts, viewed 1,756 times

Flowerhorncraze: 115 posts, viewed 1,379 times

Planet Catfish: 47 posts, viewed 1,274 times

Discus Forums: 53 posts, viewed 1,244 times

The Water Snake.com: 148 posts, viewed 1,161 times

Water Wolves: 73 posts, viewed 1,002 times

Aquarium forum: 62 posts, viewed 983 times

Toms Place: 105 posts viewed 726 times

Finvillage: 29 posts, viewed 532 times

Cichlids.com: 39: posts, viewed 500 times

Aquatic Worlds: 33 posts, viewed 201 times

One more interesting stat:

The original build of the 800 boasted 2,282 posts and 443,026 views

Part two of that thread due to a glitch in the system has 394 posts and 36,402 views combined its 479,428 views and 2,676 posts.

arapaimag · Post by **arapaimag** » 30 Mar 2009, 20:42

Great Videos!

How many tanks in all? How many gallons total?

Thanks

Post by **Birger** » 31 Mar 2009, 00:49

Total estimated man hours: 56
Beers drank during build: 6

This number just does not seem right...the ratio of man hours to beers does not work out very well in your favor.
For a proper build I would up the ratio

Bas Pels · Post by **Bas Pels** » 31 Mar 2009, 08:14

1 to 1 or better, that's about right

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 01 Apr 2009, 01:13

Too many beers whilst working with power equipment = less fingers... and since my hands make me money I kind of need them... That and my wife likes them too

Total tanks set up are 21 total gallons involves to much thought LOL But now I wanna know LOL... Ok 2464 gallons total... with the ability to set up 540 more if needed. Including the ponds then a couple thousand more...

I’ve shot some videos again....
The first is feeding the masses…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL_1n4Ufkrc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGt9heEoMaQ

Then I thought I’d take you guys through a water change. Also in this I’ve tested my water upon request. I normally do not test my water because I feel if fish are spawning and getting their fry to free swimming stage on their own then the water must be clean… A bit old fashioned I guess… It was only after spending some time on forums I thought I’d better get a test kit. So I went and wasted some money on one… I don’t test my water when fish get sick because they rarely do. It’s when I introduce new fish then usually the only thing I ever have to deal with is ick. And I can handle that without testing water 
Here’s a short series of what I have to do for a water change. It’s not rocket science. So if it’s “I” before “e” except after “c” how do explain the word “science”. I guess you can compare it to the world of cichlids and attempting to give advice on them. No mater what the rule there’s always going to be an exception to it. So the next time you try to get into an argument on line on one of these forums just remember that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzBA0Ftvz94

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k67cspXGNQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70DO0jvfSFk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDOTZsTvEfQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im7ypSEiPwA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLqnZ-lh5Vs

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 12 Jun 2009, 01:27

Re: Making my 800 800 gallons bigger

________________________________________
“Jonathan, I hope you got through your crisis, I was unable to help because as you said, times are tough. Please give us an update!”

Well, let's see, I'm starting to realize even though there's a few supporters out there who have given to the cause, it seems as if I'm in over my head. I've been struggling to keep MFR alive since its inception. Now it seems the cruel reality is that I'm $20,000 in debt, I'm at risk of loosing my home, the utilities are once again a month behind and at risk of being shut off, and it's all because I've decided to rescue fish! LOL. Good news is I did get a raise and work looks like it's beginning to pick up. It seems as if I will be putting MFR on the back burner and getting rid of most if not all of the fish. This ught to be interesting because just about every fish here is here because people didn't want them LOL

That being said, I'll be listing everything that's here on the website as soon as I can get it formatted. If you're interested in what I've got feel free to email me and I can send the list as an attatchment

[email protected]

All adoption fees are negotiable.

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 19 Jul 2009, 16:20

Kind of a sad update:

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 22 Jul 2009, 16:58

The auctions are now up on eBay:

Clown Loach Shirt

Oscar Shirt

Thank so very much for your help and support.

lissaspence · Post by **lissaspence** » 03 Aug 2009, 19:51

So sorry to hear about your money troubles! I wish I could help and hope things get better for you soon. I'm new to this site and was very intrested by all your posts about the tank build. The final product is beautiful! I would love to one day build my own tank (although not quite as big) so that I can keep my quickly growing TSN. I am definatly an owner that chooses to do everything in my power to keep my pet fishies. That being said I know there are many people out there who choose not to or are not capable of keeping these monster fish. I applaud you and sincerly hope that you are able to continue your very important work!

TheFishGuy · Post by **TheFishGuy** » 03 Aug 2009, 20:12

Thanks for the compliment! And yes, you'll definately need to build something as big if not bigger to house a TSN for life. The best thing is a 2000 gallon ROUND stock tank. Build your own filtration and have the return lines go back into the stock tank in a circular motion. Big cats like the TSN will love the current. And usually all of the poo will find its way to the center of the stock tank making it easier to vacuum out! Look into it, the cat will love it!

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