Which Auchenipterids are being kept by PC members?

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 27 Jan 2007, 23:18

The A. vittatus finally found out they had to do something to obtain food. I thought they were rather skinny, so I decided to feed abundantly. All the other woodcats had a great time. The T. fisheri ladies looked like wooden barrels at a certain point....
Luckily the Ageneiosids know what to do by now. Be quick and gulp away as much as they can. I wasn't used to shy Ageneiosids with regard to feeding. But then, my first species (A. magoi) was larger and they had a magnificent head start: the first night the three of them ate my 5 red rainbow females and 2 males....

Alyx · Post by **Alyx** » 08 Feb 2007, 21:42

I've been scrounging around trying to get the pet store to order me in some more Raphael-style cats... I started off in 1993 with 4 of them, 2 Agamyxis Pectinfrons and 2 Platydorus Costatus, only 1 of which is still alive today (are these things really SUPPOSED to live to be 14 years old?)
he's almost 8 inches long now!! but I got tired of him living by himself so I put 2 more Pectinfrons
and 1 Acanthodoras Cataphractus in with him (the striped talking cat with spotted fins)

Sorry, I'm kinda new at this forum thing I don't know how to paste the URL in so you can link up to their article here on PCat.

I'm also getting frustrated with my local pet store because they couldn't locate more than one Cataphractus (I had asked for 3 striped Raph's and they sent one cataphractus instead)... so now I'm looking for at least 2 more of these
I also want to get at least 3 of each of Anadoras Grypus (no common name?) and 4 Jaguar cats (Liosomadoras Oncinus)

I've located the Jag cats (3 inch specimens) and am a little worried without pix they might send the false Jag (morrowi) instead...
but they have no idea what a Grypus is, or the Cataphractus...
to avoid paying 4 different shipping allotments I'd like to get all the fish I need in one place...

does anyone know where I might be able to find a reliable supplier who actually has a WIDE variety of talking/raphael type cats?

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 11 Feb 2007, 10:20

Alyx wrote: I've located the Jag cats (3 inch specimens) and am a little worried without pix they might send the false Jag (morrowi) instead...

I would have some faith regarding this. The colour pattern should easily give both species away or tell them apart, even at 3".

I also think you should make a new (seperate) post of your message, because this thread is about Auchenipterids and not about Doradids. Thus making it hard to find for people who might help you out.
Perhaps you thought the Liosomadoras actually was a Doradid? Don't worry, untill recently even many scientists thought so.

All the best with your hunt for nice Doradids.

CFC · Post by **CFC** » 11 Feb 2007, 20:12

Two Ageneiosus marmoratus can be removed from my list, yet again i have lost them to what seems to be some kind of Agenieosus plague. They eat like pigs for months and grow nice and fat but then for no reasons i can see they start to get blood streaked fins and a pink hue to the body and die within a few days, this is the 3rd lot i have lost in exactly the same manner, the first being a pair of A.brevifilis and the second a pair of A.magoi.

I give up with them for now, i just cant stand losing them.

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 11 Feb 2007, 22:00

This is really too bad, so let's try to find some things out here:
- how is/are your A. polystictus doing?
- were they in the same tank?
- your description sounds like a bacterial infection. Did they feed on live (gold-)fish and if so were these from a good source?
- do your other predatory cats get the same food?
- I take it the C. fowleri is in a different tank?
Sorry for this load of questions, but perhaps it'll lead to something.

CFC · Post by **CFC** » 12 Feb 2007, 08:23

The polysticus is doing fine, but i bought this one as a large adult from another fishkeeper. It is in a different tank as it would have eaten the much smaller marmoratus.

I dont feed any of my fish live food with the exception of the Chaca which is fed on home bred snakeheads, i've never even had a goldfish in my fishroom.

All my fish get fed a diet of prawns, whitebait and mussel which is bought from the local fishmongers and is all intended for human consumption.

Oh yes! The fowleri is in another tank(im not actually sure what species it is to be honest, it was bought cheaply as C.nigricaudus but has exceeded the fishbase listed size for that species and C.apurensis which only leaves fowleri or an unidentified species), that fish is an absolute beast which can only just be trusted with fish much larger than itself and just as aggressive.

Bacterial septicemia is my diagnosis too, but two small (8cm) peacock bass and a zebra carapo knife fish that share the same grow out tank are healthy and unaffected (the Ageneiosus were the last fish added to the tank), as were previous fish sharing with my other deceased Ageneiosids which has left me stumped as to why this keeps happening to them. This last pair has been in my fishroom since September last year and up until 5 nights ago were healthy feeding well and had trippled in size to about 15cm.

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 12 Feb 2007, 16:11

I would be looking at the mussels myself.

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 13 Feb 2007, 21:47

I'm at a loss here. I have no experience with mussels, so I have no idea whether or not they can be blamed.
Carapos may be grumpy sometimes and it might have been possible that biting wounds got infected, but 3 times??
Sorry, but it seems I'm not able to offer any help in this case.

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 14 Feb 2007, 21:53

Mussels can have nasty bacteria in them which may not be bad for us but could have an effect on a fish which is wild caught and has never evolved to eat them. Humans have been eating them for a long time.

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 14 Feb 2007, 21:54

Why is one of my limas growing at a rediculously fast rate while the other two are not?
oops wrong place can someone delete this please?

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 14 Feb 2007, 22:34

CFC wrote:they start to get blood streaked fins and a pink hue to the body and die within a few days

CFC,
Have a look at today's picture of . Is that what you mean with the above statement?

Btw: I know London is pretty big, but Wholesale Aquatics stocks Auchenipterichthys longimanus

Might that be a good replacement?

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 17 Feb 2007, 20:32

Hey CFC I don't know if you have seen it but there is a trachyorystes in wharf aquatics the size of a loaf o bread! and at £235! blumin eck! He's cool, there are also smaller ones and also some woodcats called decoradiatus or something like that they were brown and white paterned and swimming around happily, I think they may have been exilis.

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 18 Feb 2007, 11:43

grokefish wrote:also some woodcats called decoradiatus or something like that they were brown and white paterned and swimming around happily, I think they may have been exilis.

Talking of which: one by one my dithers (Danio rerio) disappeared from that tank. First I blamed the A. coracoideus, which had outgrown the tank and were placed in the large tank yesterday.
But to my surprise the T. exilis were the culprits for I actually saw one grab a poor Danio! I never thought these docile fish would do so

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 24 Feb 2007, 18:15

During our trip to the UK we visited Pier's at Wigan. It was very hard to choose from all the unusual catfishes he had in stock. Finally I chose the 5 Trachelyopterus sp. The owner of the shop, Neil, made the choice a little easier by offering all 5 for a very nice price, to say the least.
Here are 2 pictures:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l151/ ... G_1104.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l151/ ... G_1108.jpg

At first I was afraid they were Trachycorystes, but Neill said he was sure they weren't the same. Moreover they lack both the folds in the skin that house the upper barbels and the protruding lower jaw.
However, they struggled fiercely to conquer hiding places - which were of course already occupied - and there was a lot of grunting and groaning for some time. Don't forget these fish had been in a box for almost 24 hours! You'd think they would be more timid. Not! There are still all kinds of noises to be heard while I type this.
I'm quite confident this is not going to be a disaster like the one with the Trachycorystes, but I wouldn't mind everything to calm down and settle.
The above made it fairly obvious that I don't know the exact species, so for the time being I'll stick to Trachelyopterus sp.(3?). If anyone has another suggestion, I'd like to hear it. I'll end this message with a picture of the head. Lovely, isn't it?
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l151/ ... G_1107.jpg

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 28 Feb 2007, 10:43

Oooo.. they look like trachycorystes to me....
but I'm no expert.
Talking of trachycorystes I think you may have been unlucky with yours or I have been lucky with mine.
The new grokefish is fairly peacefull he/she sometimes has little barneys with the false jaguars, which you can hear upstairs in bed at night, but nothing is dead or injured. I think it is a case of the tank size and hidey hole distribution. This one is growing really fast. He's bordering on 8"-10" already and is a greedy little pig.
He is now in my biggest tank with uarus, colombian tetras, silverdollars, megladoras, the false jaguars, two striped doras an oxydoras and various loricarids.
Oh and he loves to eat crickets.
Nice looking fish Marc, looks like a breeding project to me!

grahams · Post by **grahams** » 28 Feb 2007, 17:48

Hi RichardB,

I have been browsing through this thread and have read your earlier input about Lisamadorus Oncinus.
I hadn't realised Gavin was interested in breeding them,but guess who has them on their stocklist at the moment.I declined to order any as they were labelled as"Customers risk",i.e.If they arrive dead,tough luck.
Now we will see perhaps how serious he was about it.

For anyone who doesn't know who I am talking about,Gavin is the guy who bred the S granulosus last year,and he does his breeding work for wholesalers Neil Hardy Aquatics of Carshalton, Surrey.

I hope I am staying within the rules by naming them,but no doubt the mods will censor it and tick me off if I`m not.

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 28 Feb 2007, 21:10

Done part of it, but I don't know how to delete a post.
Check this out anyway.
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/p ... cle_id=524
Personally I think some of it is wrong as you may have already guessed esp. the stuff about hemibagrus thats a crock (sorry Matt) however it's nice to see some unusual cats covered in the main stream.

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 28 Feb 2007, 22:19

Marc van Arc wrote:
grokefish wrote:Done part of it, but I don't know how to delete a post.
Well, now that you mention it...
There used to be an X (for deletion) next to the edit button.
Moderators, how do we delete a post pls?

Correction: there IS an X, but apparently only in one's last post.
So, how do we delete an older post pls?

If you are logged in as a mod, there is an "X" button on each post. Although I don't really like deleting posts, I prefer to split or move them.

Jools

Richard B · Post by **Richard B** » 28 Feb 2007, 22:35

Hi Graham S. (& everyone else)

L.Oncinus have suddenly become quite available, as far as i know Wildwoods have them, as do BAS, & a couple of others. Gavin was looking to attempt breeding of L.Oncinus & perhaps S.Angelicus amongst others - we'll have to wait & see....

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 01 Mar 2007, 19:17

Yes I noticed that I wonder if my persistant whineing had anything to do with it?

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 01 Mar 2007, 21:28

grokefish wrote:Yes I noticed that I wonder if my persistant whineing had anything to do with it?

Yes, and now you have a moral obligation to buy them all. Start saving some money and pls allow me to pick out one male from your huge stock once you've bought them

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 04 Mar 2007, 14:08

OK peoples, I just witnessed a pair of false jaguars 'getting it on'. I moved them out of my main tank after jinxing myself with the grokefish, he started having a go at them, into my river tank which is set at a considerably cooler temperature. straight away they got down to it. I grabbed my camera as it was in full view as can be seen I have a piece o bogwood up against the glass so that catfish can be viewed, but the bateries were dead and by the time I got fresh ones in the deed was done.
The Male grasped the female with his dorsal spine and got straight up her. I wouldn't have noticed but for the fact that he was gasping a lot and I thought there was something wrong.
What I witnessed was definately mating not fighting. I am really gutted that I didn't get pictures. That would have been great for the site.
My question now is what next? I have a tank that I can transfer her to, but what should I put in it?
caves? plants? spawning mops? floating plants?

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Please help as I think it would be awsome to get a result here.

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 04 Mar 2007, 14:39

First I think you should give them the opportunity to mate some more. So let them both stay in for a week or so.
Then you could put the male back in the original tank - that is, if the grokefish behaves - and let the female be by herself. Provide some shelter and places where she may lay her eggs. Spawning mops are no use I think; probably she'll put her eggs in a cave or on a piece of wood. Make her comfortable but don't put too many things in the tank. It'll only cause trouble when you have to get her out. For once she's laid the eggs, she 's got to move. According to some books Auchenipterids don't eat their own eggs, but suppose you've got one that can't read

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grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 04 Mar 2007, 17:19

Thanks will update if things progress

daniel60 · Post by **daniel60** » 28 Mar 2007, 22:00

Today I sold 135 Tatia intermedia (the largest nearly 10 cm TL) and got ten Centromochlus reticulatus:

Plus five really cheap Glyptothorax trilineatus, but that's OT:

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 29 Mar 2007, 18:30

daniel60 wrote:Today I got ten Centromochlus reticulatus:

That's a very good find! When looking at the picture it still puzzles me that people mix these up with T. perugiae...
BTW: nice sale as well. I don't take it you sold them to just one LFS?

daniel60 · Post by **daniel60** » 29 Mar 2007, 19:47

Marc van Arc wrote:BTW: nice sale as well. I don't take it you sold them to just one LFS?

No, to a large wholesaler - who sold me the first specimens a year ago. I guess even they will have some difficulties selling all those Tatias.

Ramon · Post by **Ramon** » 30 Mar 2007, 01:48

Here's mine:

Asterophysus batrachus.

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 30 Mar 2007, 14:45

Nice.... but what's in it?

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 15 Apr 2007, 09:33

grokefish wrote:Oooo.. they look like trachycorystes to me....

I've taken tens of shots of these guys. They were literally shots in the dark, for they are quite elusive. The quality of the pictures is thus poor, but it's merely to show that these are NOT Trachycorystes (which is a relief). Get the picture?

Which Auchenipterids are being kept by PC members?

I've procured a few hiders myself, and lookin 4 more

Re: I've procured a few hiders myself, and lookin 4 more

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