common names may be added

[Viktor Jarikov]

Viktor, I can add common names, but could you do me a favour and post in the "bugs" forum with the combination of common name and scientific name that you think is missing? That way, I can do it at a time when I have the time (probably today), rather than spending time to first search through the posts to figure it out...

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Mats

Mats, I have no idea how common names are added to Cat-eLog but the search on the name Bolt catfish led me to Brachy capapretum.

BTW: the search on Lince catfish is rather fruitless too while people, e.g., Taksan, refer to this fish as such. Another opportune for improvement.

If fox catfish is a common name for the fish above with a bent nose (I too heard of sturios referred to as fox catfish - George owner of Shark Aquarium called his fish fox catfish, the one I bought but failed to keep), then this should be added to, IMO, which does not mean much.

Not sure if this is all you wanted me to do, Mats. If it is, NNTR no need to reply.

[MatsP]

Almost: Ideally, I'd like a statement like this:
Subject: Common names need to be added...

Common name - Scientific name
Lince catfish - Platynematichthys notatus
Bolt catfish - Aguaronichthys torosus

That would make my life easy... But what you posted is at least a reminder to do the work, which is a good start.

If you find any others, if you can give common name and scientific name, it would really help. But just pointing out that the information is missing is a good start.

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Mats

[Jools]

Doing this:

Lince catfish -

Platynematichthys notatus

is even better!

Jools

[MatsP]

Yeah, I suppose that's even better - but doesn't help a huge amount for common names...

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Mats

[Jools]

It allows you to go back and check the change once it's done to make sure you didn't spell it incorrectly...

Jools
PS That was a hint.

[Viktor Jarikov]

Man!!! Of course, you asked for the scientific names too. Sorry, I forgot.

Fox catfish -

Platystomatichthys sturio

Lince catfish - I never knew, asked Taksan - he did not reply; the search was fruitless

[Jools]

Fox catfish -

Platystomatichthys sturio

I've never seen this sold as such. Anyone else seen it?

Jools

[MatsP]

Hmm. Google for Platystomatichthys sturio fox fish and there are quite a few hits on "Fox fish" or "Fox cat".

Jools, what do you reccon?

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Mats

[prairiefire]

Maybe this will help it is from an exporters stock list. common name then Latin name

PIMELOIDAE

Achara corbata Leiarius pictus
Achara common - Reticulated Pimelodid Perrunichthys perruno
Amazon cat Paulicea luetkeni
Marbled Catfish Leiarius Marmoratus
Banjo cat Bunocephalus coracoideus
Banjo white - Tarapoto sp.
Bufeo cunchi Hassar iheringi
Bocon Leguia Ageneiosus sp.
Bocon marmoratus Ageneiosus marmoratus
Bocon with lines Ageneiosus vittatus
Bocon transparent Ageneiosus sp.
Bolt cat - Jello-Band Catfish Aguaronichthys torosus
Bolt cat - Jello-Band Catfish Aguaronichthys torosus
Bolt cat - Jello-Band Catfish Aguaronichthys torosus
Churero gray Centrodoras brachiatus
Churero common - Giant Raphael Catfish Megalodoras irwini / urunoscopus
Churero common - Giant Raphael Catfish Megalodoras irwini / urunoscopus
Doritas - Spotted Raphael Catfish Agamyxis pectinifroms
Dwarf marbled catfish Microglanis pellopterygius
Dorado baby Brachyplatystoma flavicans
Flash Zebra Brachyplatystoma sp.
Flash Zebra Brachyplatystoma sp.
Flash Zebra Brachyplatystoma sp.
Gold cat (Dorado cunchi) Pitramutra
Horse Head Catfish Goeldiella eques
Jaguire eel Ituglanis amazonicus
Novia pijuayo Liosomodoras morrowi
Novia feliz Trachellisxis exillis
Novia common Tatia sp.
Novia zapato Trachycorydtas trachycorystes
Novia scissors Tatia sp. tijer
Novia tatia Tatia brunnea
Paiche - Piracucu Arapaima giga
Pictus catfish Pimelodella pictus
Pictus catfish Pimelodella pictus
Pimelodella ornatus Bunocephalus coracoideus
Pimelodella spotted Not identificated yet
Pimelodella 4 lines Pimelodella sp.
Porthole yellow Callichthys sp.
Porthole calixto Callichthys Callichthys
Porthole common Dianema longibardis
Porthole red Callichthys sp.
Red Tail Cat Practocephalus hemiliopterus
Salton Brachyplatystoma filamentosum
Shovelnose Serubim lima
Shovelnose Serubim lima
Tabla barba Goslinea platynema
Tabla barba Goslinea platynema
Tiger shovelnose catfish Pseudoplatystoma tigrinum
Tigrinus Merodontotus tigrinus
Tigrinus Merodontotus tigrinus
Tigrinus Merodontotus tigrinus
Tigrinus Merodontotus tigrinus
Alianza Brachyplatystoma juruense
Toa Barbatus Duopalatinus malarmo
Turushuqui black Pseudodoras niger
Turushuqui cawara Megalodoras sp.
Cawara yellow - JUMBO Megalodoras sp.
Turushuqui long mouth Hassar sp.
Turushuqui sierra Hassar sp.
Turushuqui green hassar iheringi richter
Fox fish Platystomatichthys sturio
Fox fish Platystomatichthys sturio
Monster fish Potamobatrachun tripinosus
Monster fish Potamobatrachun tripinosus
Jumper cat Pirirampus sp.
Spinosissimus Acanthodoras spinosissimus
Zamora cat Auchenipterichthys thoracatus

[MatsP]

Thanks a lot for that list. Does anyone feel like going through the list and checking which ones actually need adding?

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Mats

[Marc van Arc]

If one does, mind the spelling mistakes and/or completely wrong Latin names used in that list.

[prairiefire]

It was Viktor's idea he should go through it when he's finished I can post more

[Jools]

It does need a bit of expertise to sift through this. I mean, what use is "Amazon Cat"! However, things like Achara or Bocon I've seen posted on this forum with folks looking to find out what they are.

So, I'd add Achara (for Leiarius) and Turushuqui (for Oxydoras) and maybe some of the woodcats - maybe Marc could assist. I am not keen on many of them.

This is useful as it means the quick find will show these species and someone googling a import list will find it. That's a good thing.

Jools

[prairiefire]

If one does, mind the spelling mistakes and/or completely wrong Latin names used in that list.

It does need a bit of expertise to sift through this. I mean, what use is "Amazon Cat"! However, things like Achara or Bocon I've seen posted on this forum with folks looking to find out what they are.

So:



Jools

Yes deciphering some of the stocklists can be quite the challenge it gets much worse with Loricariidae

[Jools]

Hmm. Google for Platystomatichthys sturio fox fish and there are quite a few hits on "Fox fish" or "Fox cat".

Jools, what do you reccon?

Well, given nothing else would be confused with it, I'd add it as Fox Catfish. I note from the Google searches this is pretty much used internationally but "feels" like a direct lift from import lists.

Jools

[Jools]

Yes deciphering some of the stocklists can be quite the challenge it gets much worse with Loricariidae

As to the Loricariids, I'm not sure there are many hypostominae that need more common names , but I agree the loricariinae are pretty hit or miss. The problem here is when a common name is applied to several species - then you just have to go case-by-case.



Jools

[Marc van Arc]

A lot of auchenipterid names sit in the A-thread.
I'll dig them out for you, but that's going to be tomorrow.

[Jools]

A lot of auchenipterid names sit in the A-thread.
I'll dig them out for you, but that's going to be tomorrow.

I knew I'd seen them somewhere. I found also you've talked about them before:

Auchenipteridae thread pp 12 and 14

Jools

[prairiefire]

I was just looking at another exporters list and they had Platystomatichthys sturio's common name as wolf cat I guess it's a no win situation.

[Jools]

Correct, it's about usage. It also shows that googling only gives you some of the answer- there are hits for wolf cat too. So, it'll be known locally and a couple of exporter folks have had a crack at naming it literally in English from the local name. One is likely better than the other on their English Canidae names and (BTW, it's Zorro Vs Lobo) but that's how these things happen.

Give you an example, I made up the common name Leopard Frog Pleco for L134 before the number, now it's used quite a lot. So, in some cases, what we put here helps define the thing.

Let's stick with fox. It means I can say things like, "Where's the fox cat?". Maybe that only works in a Scottish accent.

Jools

[MatsP]

Platystomatichthys sturio

now has
Fox Catfish, Sturgeon Catfish
as common names.
(Spelling right too! ;) )

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Mats

[Jools]

This might be the fox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab-eating_Fox

Jools

[Viktor Jarikov]

Wow, so much happened in one afternoon.

Prairirefire, thanks for volunteering me

Yes, Sturio is sometimes called Zorro catfish

I am no expert and a novice so for whatever it's worth...

I will weed out the ones I know smth about:

Achara common - Reticulated Pimelodid Perrunichthys perruno; VJ: Achara = L. marmoratus
Marbled Catfish Leiarius Marmoratus; VJ: marbled sailfin catfish too
Bolt cat - Jello-Band Catfish Aguaronichthys torosus
Bolt cat - Jello-Band Catfish Aguaronichthys torosus
Bolt cat - Jello-Band Catfish Aguaronichthys torosus VJ: the thread relating this name to Brachyplatystoma Capapretum need to be corrected then

Flash Zebra Brachyplatystoma sp.
Flash Zebra Brachyplatystoma sp.
Flash Zebra Brachyplatystoma sp. VJ: I think this is a special color variant of B juruense of golden-"black" stripes

Tiger shovelnose catfish Pseudoplatystoma tigrinum VJ: this is a mess - ALL relatives, fasciatum, recticulatum etc. etc. are referred to to as TSN

Alianza Brachyplatystoma juruense VJ: never heard

Turushuqui black Pseudodoras niger VJ: just turushuki

Zamora cat Auchenipterichthys thoracatus VJ: yes


Now the list of catfish of my immediate interest with common names too, some are taken from Cat-eLog, many others are from suppliers lists:

1. Pimelodidae Aguarunichthys Aguarunichthys cf. torosus or Aguarunichthys torosus Jello Band Catfish
2. Pimelodidae Brachyplatystoma Brachyplatystoma filamentosum( Brachyplatystoma goeldii, Pimelodus filamentosus, Piratinga piraaiba, Platystoma affine, P. gigas, Sorubimichthys gigas) CATFISH SALTON; Piraiba
3. Pimelodidae Calophysus Calophysus macropterus (Pimeletropsis lateralis, Pimelodus ctenodus, P. macropterus) Amazon: Pintadinho, Amazon: Piracatinga, Orinoco: Bagre machete, Orinoco: Mapurite, Orinoco: Zamurito, Vulture Catfish
4. Pimelodidae Hemisorubim Hemisorubim platyrhynchos (Platystoma platyrhynchos) CATFISH SHOVELNOSE SPOTTED
5. Mystus vittatus Asian Striped Catfish
6. Horabagrus brachysoma Bullseye Catfish, Burmese sun catfish, sun catfish, eclipse catfish
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8. Auchenoglanis occidentalis "Giraffe or giraffe-nosed Catfish"
9. Brachyplatystoma juruense Ginesia cunaguaro, Platystoma juruense "Banded Shovelnose Catfish" or flash zebra catfish Brachyplatysoma cf. juruense "flash zebra" Gold Zebra Pim and regular Brachyplatysoma juruense
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11. Pseudodoras niger = Oxydoras niger "Giant Armored Catfish" turushuki, mother of snails, ripsaw catfish Pseudodoras holdeni, Corydoras edentatus, Doras niger, Rhinodoras niger, R. prianomus
12. Goeldiella eques "Horseface Catfish" or Pimelodus eques
13. Ageneiosus marmoratus "Bottlenose Catfish"
14. ---
15. Pangasius sutchi Pangasius hypophthalmus, Iridescent Shark, Iridescent Catfish, Sutchi Shark, River Catfish
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17. Pangasius gigas; Mekong Giant Catfish - Pangasius gigas, P. paucidens
18. Pangasiidae Pangasius Pangasius sanitwongsei or Pangasius beani, Chao Phraya Giant Catfish, Paroon Shark, Pla Tepa
19. Siluridae Silurus Silurus glanis Silurus glanis aralensis, S. silurus European Catfish, Sheatfish, Wels
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21. Leiarius longibarbis Leiarus marmoratus Sciades marmoratus "Marbled Pim or Achara Catfish "
22. Pimelodidae Pinirampus Pinirampus pirinampu Galeichthys araguayensis, Pimelodus insignis, P. pinirampu, Pinirampus agassizii, P. typus, Platynematichthys araguayensis
23.. Pimelodidae Zungaro Zungaro zungaro Bagrus flavicans, Brachyplatystoma flavicans, Paulicea jahu, P. luetkeni, P. lutkeni, Pimelodus zungaro, Platystoma lütkeni, Pseudopimelodus humbdolti, P. zungaro, Zungaro humboldtii, Z. luetkeni Giant Jello Catfish, Giant Jelly Catfish, Jau, Manguruyú (Argentina)
24. Ictaluridae Pylodictis Pylodictis olivaris or Silurus olivaris Appaloosa Catfish, Appaluchion, Flat Belly Catfish, Flat Head Catfish, Goujon, Mississippi Catfish, Mud Catfish, North American Flathead Catfish, Tabby Catfish, Yellow Catfish
25. Ictaluridae Ictalurus Ictalurus furcatus Amiurus meridionalis, Ictalurus meridionalis, Pimelodus furcatus Blue Channel Catfish, Fulton Catfish, Great Blue Catfish, High Fin Blue Catfish, Humpback Catfish, North American Blue Catfish, Silver Catfish, White Fulton Catfish
26. Ictaluridae Ameiurus Ameiurus catus Ictalurus catus, Silurus catus North American White Catfish, White Catfish
27. Pimelodidae Pimelodus Pimelodus maculatus Spotted Pim
28. Pimelodidae Sorubimichthys Sorubimichthys planiceps Platystoma planiceps, P. spatula, Pteroglanis manni, Sorubim jandia, Sorubimichthys ortoni, S. spatula Brazil: Peixe-lenha, Colombia: Cabo de hacha, Firewood Catfish, Orinoquia: Guerevere, Peru: Acha Cubo, Venezuela: Doncella, Venezuela: Paletona
29. Pimelodidae Brachyplatystoma Brachyplatystoma platynemum Brachyplatystoma platynema, Goslinea platynema, Taenionema steeri Brazil: Barba Chata, Colombia: Baboso, Colombia: Saliboro, Slobbering Catfish, Venezuela: Bagre Grabanzo, Venezuela: Hipe
30. Pimelodidae Pseudoplatystoma Pseudoplatystoma corruscans Platystoma corruscans, Silurus macrocephalus, Sorubim caparary Spotted Shovelnose, Surubi (Argentina)
31. Hassar orestis Hassar notospilus, Hemidoras notospilus, Oxydoras orestis Black Top Mouse Catfish
32. Chrysichthys ornatus Amarginops ornatus Ornate bagrid
33. Pterodoras granulosus Doras granulosus Armado (Argentina), Bacu (Brazil), Common Bacu
34. Leiocassis siamensis Leiocassis siamensis Asian Bumblebee Catfish, Siamese Catfish
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37. Megalodoras uranoscopus Doras libertatis, D. uranoscopus, Hoplodoras uranoscopus, Megalodoras irwini, M. libertatis - Giant Raphael Catfish, Giant Talking Catfish, Mega Raphael catfish
38. Bagridae Hemibagrus Hemibagrus wyckii Bagrus wyckii, Macrones wyckii, Mystus wyckii - Baung Jaksa, Crystal Eyed Catfish
39. Bagridae Hemibagrus Hemibagrus wyckioides Macrones wyckioides, Mystus wyckioides - Asian Red Tailed Catfish, Common Baung, Pla Kayeng Thong, Trey khya
40. Bagridae Bagroides Bagroides melapterus Bagroides melanopterus - Harlequin Lancer
41. Auchenipteridae Asterophysus Asterophysus batrachus Gulper Catfish, Ogre Catfish
42. Pseudopimelodidae Lophiosilurus Lophiosilurus alexandri Silurus muticus Pac-Man Catfish, Pacamã
43. CATFISH SCIADES/RED TAIL HYBRID, Perrunichthys perruno x phractocephalus hemiolopterus
44. CATFISH PICTUS SCAIDES, Leiarius pictus
45. CATFISH PIM/RED TAIL HYBRID, Phractocephalus hemiliopters x pimelodus sp.
46. CATFISH PIM/SHOVELNOSE HYBRID , Sorubim lima x pimelodus sp.
47. CATFISH PIM/TIGER SHOVEL HYBRID, P. fasciatum x pimelodus sp.
48. Bagridae Hemibagrus Hemibagrus nemurus Bagrus nemurus, Macrones nemurus, Mystus nemurus
49. Bagridae Sperata Sperata aor Aorichthys aor, Macrones aor, Mystus aor, Orichthys aor, Pimelodus aor Indian Shovelnose Catfish
50. CAT TIGER-TURASHUKIN, Pseudoplatystoma fasciatum x pseudodoras niger
51. Pimelodidae Platystomatichthys Platystomatichthys sturio Platystoma sturio Sturgeon Catfish, Zorro Catfish
52. CATFISH SOLDIER, Doradidae Lithodoras Lithodoras dorsalis Doras dorsalis, D. papillionatus, Megalodoras pauciquamatus

[MatsP]

Viktor, thanks for helping out.

Would it be possible to compile a concise list of species names and common names (and preferrably what language it is)? And only list those that actually need updating? That would really help.

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Mats

[Viktor Jarikov]

Sure, but it will have to be on my schedule ------> http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... 85#p212285

[MatsP]

Absolutely. And if I find that I'm bored/have nothing better to do, I may start myself.

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Mats

[Marc van Arc]

Zamora cat Auchenipterichthys thoracatus VJ: yes

Ageneiosus marmoratus "Bottlenose Catfish"

Wrt Zamora: A. thoracatus is not imported afaik, so should refer to Auchenipterichthys coracoideus

Wrt Ageneiosus: Bottle nose catfish is the common name for the whole genus, not just for A. marmoratus. Ageneiosidae are also known as Gulper catfish - but this name is also used for Asterophysus batrachus.

[Viktor Jarikov]

Wrt Zamora: A. thoracatus is not imported afaik, so should refer to Auchenipterichthys coracoideus

right, I got sloppy. thanks.

Wrt Ageneiosus: Bottle nose catfish is the common name for the whole genus, not just for A. marmoratus. Ageneiosidae are also known as Gulper catfish - but this name is also used for Asterophysus batrachus.

ompoks are referred to as gulper catfish too, to add to confusion. the name for Asterophysus batrachus I like the most is ogre catfish - there is none other called that. i love it. if I ever get one, it will most def called Shrek.