Mixing plecos

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Mixing plecos

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Hope everyone is doing good! 2 questions.

In a 180 gallon with 6X adult yellow chubby plecos can I add 6X adult L204 Flash plecos?

Has anyone ever keep L397 together with L204?
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Pick of the 80 gallon waiting for the L397.
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AmazonTank wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:14 pm In a 180 gallon with 6X adult yellow chubby plecos can I add 6X adult L204 Flash plecos?
Yes, no problem at all.
AmazonTank wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:14 pmHas anyone ever keep L397 together with L204?
Yes, and it works fine, but considering the potential risk of hybrids it's not what I would recommend to somebody else....even though it would be interesting to see if it happens, how the juveniles would look and if they would be fertile.
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Thanks so much for that insight!
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On caves for the l204 & l397 can someone recommend the perfect cave size for 3"-4" L # plecos?
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Get 1.5" to 1.75" diameter caves. Bamboo or clay works well. The standard caves sold by plecocaves.com are good for L397 (I've never bred L204, but I have kept them). That said, my Panaqolus albomaculatus which are similar to L204 like the longer caves better than shorter (standard) caves from plecocaves.

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Excellent info thanks!
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On those tight 1.5" caves for L204 when you say longer should I go for there 12" X 1.5 D cave?
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10" is fine. But longer won't hurt. Bigger issue with longer cave is that you might have trouble fitting it front to back in tank. It may need to sit sideways.

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Excellent I will definitely change out some caves for the smaller plecos!
Gonna get the plates also so I can make a stack!
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Can anyone recommend how many wafers does a 4" L204 eat? I think I feed to much.
I seem to be siphoning every morning wood and leftover wafers and repashy. Plecos are hard work.
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Depends on size of wafers. I would give probably 1-3 wafers every few days, not daily. In between give shaved sweet potatoes or cooked chopped shrimp or live blackworms in a bowl. If they're hungry, they can always chew on wood. Don't feed daily.

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Excellent thanks again!
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My L397 picked his cave and has been there for a few days now!
Hopefully he won't fall in love with my fat L204.
Has anyone ever had a hybrid situation with 2 different plecos and had cooler babies?
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Those are some cool L's to get to keep. Please don't distribute any hybrid fry.
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Thanks for the message!
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I plan on separating soon.
I didn't realize they can even cross breed like that!
Has anybody have some cross breeding stories?
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Hi,

currently I am aware of around 30 cases where hybridization took place in Loricariidae. Hypancistrus, Pseudacanthicus and Panaqolus are the genera with most cases, but we also know of some in Peckoltia and Pterygoplichthys. The juveniles are fertile, and also breed with other hybrids resulting in "4 x hybrids".
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