LDA-31/ Panaqulos albomaculatus

clint8 · Post by **clint8** » 05 May 2003, 12:11

G'day,

I was just wondering if anyone has been successful in breeding these beautiful L-numbers yet? Also how do you sex them? I've searched many places but to no avail, hope someone can help me.

Cheers,
Clint

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 05 May 2003, 18:46

Hi!

You can check the cat-elog there is several good pictures showing the dimorphism.
Males have longer odontodes on the pectoral fins, interopercular odontodes are just a bit bigger. Males also have plate odontodes on the caudal pedoncul.
Females are more round in the ventral region...
Cheers
Yann

clint8 · Post by **clint8** » 06 May 2003, 07:50

Thanks Yann.

I have checked the cat-e-log but still there isn't enough information available out there. I'll go with what you've said and see if i can sex mine.

CHeers,
Clint

kdreymann · Post by **kdreymann** » 11 May 2003, 08:07

clint8 wrote:Thanks Yann.

I have checked the cat-e-log but still there isn't enough information available out there. I'll go with what you've said and see if i can sex mine.

CHeers,
Clint

Hi,
I keep two males and a female for some years now and always find them sitting in their caves (except by night) - the female outside under its woodpiece.
Never heard or read anything about breeding LDA 31.

If you can translate it from german, look at:
http://www.welse.net/seiten/lda31.htm

Klaus.

clint8 · Post by **clint8** » 11 May 2003, 11:33

G'day Klaus,

I have 3 of these beautiful loricarid's too; 1M/2F i think. Mine are just as shy as yours even at night. They hardly come out and are always hiding in the logs or caves that i have designed for them. I was wondering what you feed yours? I feed mine frozen brine shrimp and bloodworms, hikari algae tablets and colorbits as well. Mine are quite shy even during feeding time!!
By the way, how big are yours catties now? Thanks for the website but unfortunately i can read German!!! I'll see if i have any friends who can translate it for me.
Thanks for replying too.

Cheers,
Clint

kdreymann · Post by **kdreymann** » 11 May 2003, 12:12

clint8 wrote:G'day Klaus,

I was wondering what you feed yours?
Mine are quite shy even during feeding time!!
By the way, how big are yours catties now?

Cheers,
Clint

Well, I've tried lots of different food - even potatoes, because they are Panaque-relatives, but they ignore it. Nowadays they get Hikari Algae-Wafers, bloodworms and mysis. Wood is very important - you can see it in the mornings after they had had a whole night, carving wood.
They are the second shiest catfish I have - second to the L 114.
They are about 14 cm long (I don't know, what that is in inch).
I still hope, to be (one fine day) the first one to breed them.

See you an let's keep contact.
Klaus

clint8 · Post by **clint8** » 12 May 2003, 09:05

Hi Klaus,

I haven't tried potatoes but have tried tomato's, zuchini, cucumber's, pumpkin but all in vain as they will not take the food. Haven't tried mysis though? Is it a type of shrimp? Do you feed, the frozen form or live form? I have plenty of wood in mine so there's no problems there for them.
What do you keep your catties with...or are they all by themselves? What temperature do you keep them at by the way?
Looks like my catties are about the same size as yours as well!!! I hope you do breed them so you can share your wealth of knowledge with me:)
Do keep in touch mate.

Cheers,
Clint

kdreymann · Post by **kdreymann** » 12 May 2003, 18:00

clint8 wrote:Hi Klaus,
Haven't tried mysis though? Is it a type of shrimp? Do you feed, the frozen form or live form?

What do you keep your catties with...or are they all by themselves?

What temperature do you keep them at by the way?

Looks like my catties are about the same size as yours as well!!! I hope you do breed them so you can share your wealth of knowledge with me:)
Do keep in touch mate.

Cheers,
Clint

Frozen mysis is a type of shrimps (white ones, about 1 cm long).
Nowadays they are for themselves in 30Â°Celsius. But I kept them together with Ancistrus ranunculus and Hypancistrus zebra, which are from the same natural habit - they even meet each other in nature.

Anytime there's something to mention about them, I'll give you a "call".

Klaus

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 12 May 2003, 21:47

Hi,
after living in one of my tanks for nearly a year now, my two P.albomaculatus are not really shy any more, they come out of their hidingplaces even by day.
And, yuo wont believe it: My two really like potatoes. But they also take different kind of artifical food, frozen food and of course wood.

clint8 · Post by **clint8** » 15 May 2003, 08:25

G'day Walter,

Just wondering with your potatoes, do you actually boil them first? Also with your catties, what temperature do you keep them at? I'm keeping mine at around 27C at the moment, do you think that's ok? I've read some article's that suggest you keep them in the 30C's. I just don't want to cook them!!!
Thanks for responding too.

Cheers,
Clint

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 15 May 2003, 17:52

Hi,
I also keep them at about 27Â°C.
I only remove the paring of the potatoes, I do not boil them.

kdreymann · Post by **kdreymann** » 15 May 2003, 18:14

clint8 wrote:G'day Walter,

I'm keeping mine at around 27C at the moment, do you think that's ok? I've read some article's that suggest you keep them in the 30C's. I just don't want to cook them!!!

The waters where they come from are up to 35 Â°C and higher, therefore I think it to be better for these catfish, to be kept in alternating temperatures......(afaik!)

Klaus

clint8 · Post by **clint8** » 16 May 2003, 10:19

The waters where they come from are up to 35 Â°C and higher, therefore I think it to be better for these catfish, to be kept in alternating temperatures......(afaik!)

So Klaus, what temperatures do you keep yours in? Have you experimented with high temps yet? Looks like these catties would be great company for Discus!

Cheers,
Clint

kdreymann · Post by **kdreymann** » 16 May 2003, 12:09

clint8 wrote:
The waters where they come from are up to 35 Â°C and higher, therefore I think it to be better for these catfish, to be kept in alternating temperatures......(afaik!)
So Klaus, what temperatures do you keep yours in? Have you experimented with high temps yet? Looks like these catties would be great company for Discus!

Cheers,
Clint

I keep them in about 30Â°C (from 28Â° - 30Â°).
They normally live togehter with L 46 and L 34 and is said, that they prefer quite fast waters. (Rio Xingu und Rio Tocantins) .

Klaus

Post by **Janne** » 16 May 2003, 21:04

I thought LDA31 was from Peru and was living together with L204, but this is not true or?

Janne

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 16 May 2003, 21:42

Hi,
they come from Peru and live together with L-204.
Mine were exported from Martin Mortenthaler and were even sold as L-204 "striped/spotted" ;)

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 16 May 2003, 21:52

Well,
Burgess says, they come from Ecuador

But IÂ´m sure, mine were imported from Peru.

kdreymann · Post by **kdreymann** » 17 May 2003, 08:09

Janne wrote:I thought LDA31 was from Peru and was living together with L204, but this is not true or?

Janne

Hm.......I got my informations from Ingo Seidel about Rio Xingu und Rio Tocantins, and I don't know, whether they might live in Peru and elsewhere.

PlanetCatfish sais they come from Ecuador: Tributary of the Rio Suno under the Rio Napo.
And there they have 27Â°-33Â°C as well.

Klaus

kgroenhoej · Post by **kgroenhoej** » 17 May 2003, 10:05

Also hmm

In "Wels Atlas" by Ingo Seidel and Hans-Georg Evers in chapter "PERU - RÃo Alejandro" P. albomaculatus occuring in this river according to Schaefer & Stewart (1993).
My wholesaler have informed me that he once got a few special fish as a contamination in a shipment of L204 - He says the fish looks like L204 but have spots instead of stripes. I've later seen pictures of these "spotted L204" - they match LDA31
I've also seen fish sold as L204a - spotted L204 in LFS in Denmark and in Germany - they also match LDA31

-Klaus

kdreymann · Post by **kdreymann** » 17 May 2003, 11:47

kgroenhoej wrote:Also hmm
In "Wels Atlas" by Ingo Seidel and Hans-Georg Evers in chapter "PERU - RÃo Alejandro" P. albomaculatus occuring in this river according to Schaefer & Stewart (1993).
My wholesaler have informed me that he once got a few special fish as a contamination in a shipment of L204 - He says the fish looks like L204 but have spots instead of stripes. I've later seen pictures of these "spotted L204" - they match LDA31
I've also seen fish sold as L204a - spotted L204 in LFS in Denmark and in Germany - they also match LDA31

-Klaus

Hmmmm....Danish dynamite!!!

Let's say LDA 31 lives in South America, okay?

In the northern territories, better north-west?
And there are people, who are concerned, that these cats normally live in 30Â°C-water, okay?

Klaus
(Your turn!)

Post by **Silurus** » 17 May 2003, 11:58

According to the NEODAT database, here's where <i>P. albomaculatus</i> has been found:
Ecuador: Rio Copataza, affluent of Bobonaza.
Ecuador: Upper Rio Morona/Moranon basin, Cusuimi, on Rio Cusuimi.
Ecuador: Rio Shushufindi, lower reaches (about 2 km upstream from mouth in Rio Aguarico) (Rio Aguarico drainage).
Ecuador: Rio Chichirota Bobonaza, Upper Pastaza.
Ecuador: Rio Pucuno, tributary of Rio Suno.
Ecuador: Rio Cotapino, tributary of Rio Pucuno.
Peru: Caterpiza.
Peru: Rio Pastaza.
Peru: Mouth of Rio San Alejandro at junction with Sungaro Yacu.

kdreymann · Post by **kdreymann** » 17 May 2003, 12:07

Silurus wrote:According to the NEODAT database, here's where <i>P. albomaculatus</i> has been found:
[..........]
Peru: Mouth of Rio San Alejandro at junction with Sungaro Yacu.

Okay, okay, I put ashes on my head, I've made a mistake - I've mixed the whereabouts with the home of my Ancistrus ranunculus. Sorry folks.

Klaus

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 17 May 2003, 16:45

Hi,

kgroenhoej wrote:Also a few special fish as a contamination in a shipment of L204 - He says the fish looks like L204 but have spots instead of stripes. I've later seen pictures of these "spotted L204" - they match LDA31
I've also seen fish sold as L204a - spotted L204 in LFS in Denmark and in Germany - they also match LDA31

exact these fishes I own. They have been exportet by "Aquarium Rio Momon", Peru (owner Austrian Martin Mortenthaler) and IÂ´ve bought them in ViennaÂ´s "Aquarium Wien" (Owner Thomas Mortenthaler, MartinÂ´s brother). ThatÂ´s why IÂ´m so sure about the origin.
And with these catfishes "L-204 spotted" they got "ordinary L-204" in the same charge.

kdreymann · Post by **kdreymann** » 17 May 2003, 16:53

ThatÂ´s why IÂ´m so sure about the origin.
And with these catfishes "L-204 spotted" they got "ordinary L-204" in the same charge.

Na gut!

Klaus

L.Z · Post by **L.Z** » 17 May 2003, 17:07

My LDA31 life in 25-27Â°C water temperature, they is the health lively.

When it is maturer, his rear part can lengthen the tail and the body is long punctures.

This is my LDA31.

clint8 · Post by **clint8** » 19 May 2003, 12:02

Hi LZ,

Nice pick of your cattie. Was just looking at your tank surroundings, and it has no gravel. Is this their permanent tank or just a quarantine tank? Just wondering because i'm resetting their tank and wanted to know whether gravel would be essential or not. What do others think? All i know is that they s**t a lot!!!

Cheers,
Clint

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 19 May 2003, 20:57

Hi,
i think, ground of cravel or sanl is not essential for catfishes of the genus Panaqolus ;) , they need wood and probably caves (mine do occupy caves not yet).
But I use sand in each tank, looks better than no ground and many fishes like to dig around in it.

L.Z · Post by **L.Z** » 22 May 2003, 14:52

hi, clint8

That is the fish permanent environment，Is not quarantine tank.

quarantine tank not to use the grave.

This is my tank and fish's picture.

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http://eheim-uk.com/planetcatfish/galle ... ry/album65 (165cm*45cm*60cm)tank

http://eheim-uk.com/planetcatfish/galle ... ry/album64 (60cm*30cm*35cm)fish

http://eheim-uk.com/planetcatfish/galle ... ry/album66 (165cm*45cm*60cm)fish