Ibamas Whitelist

[pleco22]

Hi,

just to inform you about new developments concerning catfish in brasil. As mentioned in a german forum (L-welse.com)http://www.l-welse.com/forum/showpost.p ... ostcount=3, Ibama has released a whitelist:

This is the list:
http://ibama2.ibama.gov.br/cnia2/renima ... 221008.PDF

greetings felix

[Birger]

To clarify for everyone that does not speak these languages is this a list of allowed exports??

[Richard B]

It can't just be exports as there are Synodontis on the list?????

[Marc van Arc]

It can't just be exports as there are Synodontis on the list?????

That table (1) contains fishes that may be imported.
There's also a very small table (2) with for instance Pangasius and Channa; those species may not be imported.

[Haavard Stoere]

That list was very clarifying. Nice to read something other than rumors, although most rumors on PC are supported by the list.

[sidguppy]

that list is the final end-chapter of getting any true interesting fish out of Brasil
it's over. finito.

no more Trichomycterus, Ituglanis, rare Auchenipterids, Opsodoras etc.

thanks politicians, you really proved it again: you're a different species of primate with one thing and only one thing in mind: screw up the ordinary people and suck up to the big environment destructing coorporate demons, all in the name of big wads of cash, but hiding behind a smoke screen of pretending to protect wildlife.

I don't see these carcinogenous earthparasites banning soy plantations anytime soon

this is the final chapter in making the rainforest "worthless" to the locals.
once it has no value anymore to keep it in good health it can be burned, bulldozed, flooded with damming projects, stolen from the natives, poisoned with mercury, razed, robbed from its' hardwoods and transformed into soy bean plantations and finally deserts without any scrupules
stuff likes this makes me really really stark raving mad

[apistomaster]

As best as I can make it out, the lists do affirm the species I already understood were going to be allowed to be exported and those that are not allowed to be imported are mostly the same as the USA presently does not allow to be imported, predatory species like snakeheads that can over run and severely endanger natives species if they become established.
I have read somewhere, that European Carp, C. carpio are already established in the Rio Negro, something I find astonishing yet believable; common carp were introduced world wide during the colonial eras.

I just received the monthly fish list of current stock from a well known importer located in North America and L333 are available as Peckoltia sp L333 and L134 were listed as Hypancistrus sp L134. I found that a bit odd. This is a well informed owner so perhaps he knows of some valid reclassification that I am not. Or perhaps an extension of a ploy that helped get the Hypancistrus imported and a belief that L134 should be a Hypancistrus. These two could be understandably problematic for an export inspector to differentiate if they were mixed and listed on the bill as Peckoltia L134. The more distinctly identifiable Brazilian Hypancistrus spp are not nearly as easy to find as they were earlier this year.

It is frustrating as to me as an aquarist, that many species have been restricted. It is too bad those who merely collected individuals of the Hypancistrus were not matched by a greater number of those with the intent or ability to breed them while the getting was good. Untold 1000's of these fish were lost during the collecting to end sales ordeal which only increased the numbers of wild fish that needed to be collected to meet the trade's demand. I can't resent ibama's ruling to preserve these fish which do have slow replacement rates in the wild. There is a chance that these and other commercially valuable fish may be eventually farmed for the aquarium trade. In time, that may become part of an overall economic development plan. Some fish lack enough commercial value for that to ever have a chance of happening. There will be some fish species simply lost to the this hobby.

The destruction of the habitat is a force beyond our control. Brazil may decide someday that the real cost of the loss of wilderness is too great to justify allowing the present rates of loss. That is a political decision they must make. I saw a piece on CNN yesterday that twice as many square miles of rain forest was destroyed for soybean and other cash crops this month as the month before. This can't go on forever without the complete loss of this essential eco-geographical region of the world.

[Mike_Noren]

this is the final chapter in making the rainforest "worthless" to the locals.

Final chapter? Not by a long shot. But I personally have no doubt that's the context of the list.
As far as I can tell all endemic species, not just catfish, found in Xingu and Madeira are conspicuously absent from that list.
Can't have them interfering with exploitation, I suppose.

Haha, and known invasive species like Goldfish and Jewel cichlid are whitelisted for import. Yeah, I'm sure environmental concerns motivated that list.

Oh well. I wonder how much of this world there'll be left in 50 years.

[racoll]

I really have grave concern for the "pretty" species still allowed to be traded, such as L134. These will be overfished now for sure.

[Janne]

This is the new Positive list from IBAMA.

I just received the monthly fish list of current stock from a well known importer located in North America and L333 are available as Peckoltia sp L333 and L134 were listed as Hypancistrus sp L134. I found that a bit odd.

This is because they dont use the same names in the export papers as they do in their stocklist's for their customers, it's a way to get around the laws just like they have done since they first started to export fishes not on the positive list. Most exporters dont know which genus they belong to but they do know that Hypancistrus species is not allowed so they call all of them for peckoltia in the export papers...but the customers wants Hypancistrus which they cant use in the papers for the authoritys. In the old positive list all Peckoltia sp was allowed to export.

As far as I can tell all endemic species, not just catfish, found in Xingu and Madeira are conspicuously absent from that list.

Not true at all, all Baryancistrus species is on the positive list, some other species too but very few cichlids.
From Rio Madeira tributary which just a few plecos before was imported like Peckoltia species is still in the new positive list and allowed to export.

I really have grave concern for the "pretty" species still allowed to be traded, such as L134. These will be overfished now for sure.

No they will not be overfished because they are very difficult to catch, the areas they habitat is only able to reach a few months each year. But, there are other species that should be protected and not allowed to export in the new positive list, one of them is Leporacanthicus joselimai that have decreased rapidly.

that list is the final end-chapter of getting any true interesting fish out of Brasil
it's over. finito.
no more Trichomycterus, Ituglanis, rare Auchenipterids, Opsodoras etc.

Was they permitted in the old positive list? no, they was smuggled out as usual...so whats the different now?

Janne