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Richard B wrote:A pic of the mouth wouls help ID the euchilichthys/chiloglanis - it looks very skinny & they cac be territorial & hard to establish.
I got one photo of its sucking disk.
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I still have to go back to the yellow syno issue, I have been checking now all my books to find a correct species for that one with no success :?. Only in Kobayagawas The World of Catfishes at page 12 there is photo of leopardina which doesn't have so long dorsal fin. But it seems that the fish at that photo is still juvenile. And I really think that I have three more of that same species :shock: . I bought them as rebeli which they are not but the wholesaler has got them from Cameroon and that was the closest looking syno he could find. They are still pretty small, about 6-8cm but they look very much same with the bigger one. So I think the yellow one is from Cameroon too. I will post some photos when I get them.
Did you not post pictures of those three here...or are they new as well?
They are new fishes as well, I will try to get some photos soon.
These are not good quality photos but I think you can see these looks quite similar with the yellow one. And the yellow one has came from Cameroon as well, I talked with the wholesaler again. Any suggestions? I can't find any similar syno from Cameroon.
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The only place I would think then, would be in the obesa/rebeli complex...this needs some sorting out, but Cameroon is right for it.

I went looking for this thread, but the fish in it does not seem the same. http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... hp?t=20927

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The nearest species I can hazard a guess for the Chiloglanis is C. polypogon. However, the coloration is quite different from the C. polypogon I have seen.
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The last sucker pic is a chiloglanis as Silurus id's but the previous one is a Euchilichthys of some sort
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I'm pretty sure the pics in Post #1 are of Chiloglanis.
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Silurus wrote:I'm pretty sure the pics in Post #1 are of Chiloglanis.

I think the dorsal shots in post 1 are indeed chiloglanis (small eyed fish), but i believe the first mouth close up is a different fish possibly ? but certainly a Euchilichthys (not a round mouth). I believe the second, (most recent posted) mouth shot (round mouth)is the chiloglanis from the first post - i think we need a dorsal shot of this 'Euchilichthys' to clear up any confusion.
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I will try to get some dorsal photos from Euchilichthys, i'm quite sure that it is E.guentheri. I have two of them but the other one is less than 5cm.

The other one(grey one) is some Chiloglanis but I have no clue what is the species. But I know it has came from Cameroon because the wholesaler said that the black ones came from Congo and the others from Cameroon. In which position should I try to take photo of it? Or is it just impossible to solve what is it?
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jippo wrote:I will try to get some dorsal photos from Euchilichthys, i'm quite sure that it is E.guentheri. I have two of them but the other one is less than 5cm.

The other one(grey one) is some Chiloglanis but I have no clue what is the species. But I know it has came from Cameroon because the wholesaler said that the black ones came from Congo and the others from Cameroon. In which position should I try to take photo of it? Or is it just impossible to solve what is it?

Silurus might be able to give you a fairly firm ID but these are seldom encountered, show a high level of variation & probably there are many unidentified species :(
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he other one(grey one) is some Chiloglanis but I have no clue what is the species. But I know it has came from Cameroon because the wholesaler said that the black ones came from Congo and the others from Cameroon. In which position should I try to take photo of it? Or is it just impossible to solve what is it?
In the Lower Guinea book it is mentioned there are 45 valid species of Chiloglanis but 7 described from this area.They all seem to have some distinction either color pattern or size of adipose, one even has a caudal with one lobe bigger than the other..a mouth shot and a side shot are best for these I would think.(The book only shows drawings for four of the species mouths but has side drawings for all seven species).

I am confused now though (not that difficult :wink: ), the dark one you have shown pictures of is from Congo...so you have not showed a shot of the grey one from Cameroon , is this correct?

The one from Congo may be more difficult...it will be nice if/when that other Congo book eventually comes out.

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I think one of the differences of Chiloglanis Vs euchilichthys is the structure of the lower jaw.

luckily it's very well visible on these really excellent pictures.

this fish has a narrow lower jaw with grouped long pointed teeth
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this mouth structure points at a fairly carnivorous fish. with lower teeth like that it's more than capable of peeling crustaceans or pulling snails from their shell.

to me the structure of the sucker reminds me of -for example- the Vampire Pleco.

now this fish has a wide band of small teeth on the lower jaw; it's a very different mouth.
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now this fish is likely to be much more of an omnivore or even an aufwuchsfeeder. it has the apparatus of scraping a wide swap of algae with inverts in it.

this fish is more like Chaetostoma. wich is a grazer.

one of them is Chiloglanis, the other Euchilichthys.
my money's on the carnivorous one being Chiloglanis, but I'm not a 100% sure.
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When I collected in the wild, it look like they were eating insect larvae, primarily caddis fly larvae.

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one of them is Chiloglanis, the other Euchilichthys.
my money's on the carnivorous one being Chiloglanis, but I'm not a 100% sure.
The one Sid is calling carnivorous is a Chiloglanis no doubt, the other Euchilichthys.

The way I read it I thought jippo had two species of chiloglanis and one of Euchilichthys but I know positively he has one of each.
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I agree with Sid and Birger, the grey one is Chiloglanis and black one is Euchilichthys cf. guentheri. I have two pcs of Euchilichthys and two pcs of Chiloglanis. But I haven't seen the other Chiloglanis since I put it in the tank. In this topic there has been photos only from two different African sucker mouth, one Euchilichthys and one Chiloglanis. I'm sorry if this has been little bit confusing, next time better :oops:
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I'm sorry if this has been little bit confusing, next time better :oops:
This has been a great thread with lots of interesting fish...do not be sorry.

Speaking of interesting fish...where's that picture of the :nerd: black one :nerd:

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Birger wrote:Speaking of interesting fish...where's that picture of the :nerd: black one :nerd:

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Might be an idea to start a new thread, this has been a great topic, but a little confusing I have found.

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Jools wrote:
Birger wrote:Speaking of interesting fish...where's that picture of the :nerd: black one :nerd:

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Might be an idea to start a new thread, this has been a great topic, but a little confusing I have found.

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I agree. There has been too many different kind of fishes at this thread. I will start a new one when I get some photos of black one. I haven't got time to visit there, lot of work at the moment.

I have now only one Euchilichthys left, I found one skeleton of Euchilichthys yesterday evening :(
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