Synodontis

[jha61]

Hi Could somebody help me identifying these Synodontis, I have eight of them and they are WF, have a size of 14-16cm now, and now they I have tried to breed them and it succes, I have 5 Fry at the moment.

Jan

[sidguppy]

this could be Synodontis lacustricola

it's definitely a tanganyikan species, but it's also not a petricola or lucipinnis; those 2 species have a white dorsal spine.

this one has a black dorsal spine, like the species from the dhonti/polli/tanganicae group.

it's not a dhonti (too small), or a true tanganicae; that one has a real horsey head.

it's definitely not a polli, because Synodontis polli has a very blunt short snout with a large rubbery upper lip.

this one has a pointy snout, like both dhonti, tanganicae, lacustricola and irsacae all have.

those species are a mess at the moment. some have been considered synonyms of each other, but i disagree with that view; there are many more species than the few supposedly recognised.

there's ofcourse also the possibility that your fish are a nondescribed species.
but it's definitely from the clade including dhonti, tanganicae, irsacae and lacustricola.

[The.Dark.One]

Isn't lacustricola supposed to be a synonym of tanganyicae?

[jha61]

Hi, could you possible send some links to pictures of lacustricola

[Martin S]

I couldn't find Synodontis lacustricola in the Cat-eLog, but here is the link to

Synodontis tanganyicae

, if, as Steve says it is a synonym.
HTH
Martin

[MatsP]

I couldn't find Synodontis lacustricola in the Cat-eLog, but here is the link to

Synodontis tanganyicae

, if, as Steve says it is a synonym.
HTH
Martin

And at least in the Cat-eLog S. lacustricola (or S. lacustricolus as it says in the Cat-eLog) is a synonym.

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Mats

[The.Dark.One]

See:

De Vos, L. and D. F. E. Thys van den Audenaerde, 1998.
Le statut taxinomique de Synodontis serratus tanganyicae Borodin, 1936 du lac Tanganyika (Teleostei; Mochokidae): synonymie avec S. lacustricolis Poll, 1953. Journal of African Zoology v. 112 (no. 2): 147-156.

[Richard B]

Many congrats on the fry - any chance of pics?

I'd also like to see pics of all 8 fish just to see if they all appear to be the same specie. (i think they should be if you got all 8 together from the same source?)

There is so much confusion over the "dhonti clade" as Sid says & quite a few previous "unobtainable" individuals are now sporadically available & we all wanna know what they actually are, but still too few of 'em to compare really

[jha61]

Hi, I will try to get some pictures of the Fry and the adults.

I have 1 of the eight which is a little different than the others.

[Richard B]

jha61 - any joy with pics?