Phyllonemus sp(1)

[Birger]

To me this Phyllonemus sp(1) is Phyllonemus filinemus
Dusky color, shorter barbels as opposed to brown color and long barbels

Birger

[Jools]

I am not sure why this was labelled as such but I have a scant memory that the fish was identified as this species in the past but was moved for some reason.

I can't for the life of me remember. Maybe DInyar or Sid Guppy can recall.

Jools

[MatsP]

Bump.

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Mats

[sidguppy]

I can't recall, but maybe it was labelled such because the person who made the original photograph wasn;t familiar with a described Phyllonemus species without the leafy barbels and hence named it 'spec'?

to confuse things; Phyllonemus brichardi also misses the flat ends on the barbels.......it still could be brichardi


I also have heard rumours about a 6"+ species of Phyllonemus again and again. never saw one, though, unfortunately.

[Jools]

I can't recall, but maybe it was labelled such because the person who made the original photograph wasn;t familiar with a described Phyllonemus species without the leafy barbels and hence named it 'spec'?

to confuse things; Phyllonemus brichardi also misses the flat ends on the barbels.......it still could be brichardi


I also have heard rumours about a 6"+ species of Phyllonemus again and again. never saw one, though, unfortunately.

I kind of remember there was a reason it wasn't P. brichardi. This is what happens when we don't update the catelog at the point of time IDs are current.

Jools

[sidguppy]

check this....
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/c ... php?sid=71

checked the description and if the distance of dorsal and adipose is true, the sp 1 in the catelog is definitely filinemus.

[MatsP]

I met Michael Hardman at the CSG conference, and have had some e-mail discusssions with him. I'll ask if he can ID the fish in question...

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Mats

[Jools]

*bump*

Jools

[MatsP]

Sorry, I wrote to Michael and had some disucssion on the subject, and here's the conclusion:

It's always tough to make id's from photographs. There's a chance the fish in question is a juvenile Chrysichthys brachynema, if you're reasonably sure it came from Lake Tanganyika. If it's Phyllonemus (and I'm not sure it is), it is most likely P. filinemus - a species I haven't seen live specimens of and which can often look different from the shrivelled cigars I pull out of alcohol. I'm sorry I can't be more definite - I'm afraid I'd need the specimen to go any further.

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Mats

[Jools]

OK, happy for it to get moved. Have you a new species to add to "re-use" the sp(1) entry? E.G. Rename it.

Jools

[Birger]

OK, happy for it to get moved. Have you a new species to add to "re-use" the sp(1) entry? E.G. Rename it.

Jools

I could do it...I have some Amphilius to add, one of them is new.

Birger

[Jools]

OK, let me know the new species and I will plonk it into place.

Jools

[Birger]

Jools can you make Phyllonemus sp(1) turn into

Parapimelodus
valenciennis

in Pimelodidae.

Then we can go ahead and move this to resolved

Birger

[Jools]

Done.

Jools