Ancistrus sp. a nightmare to ID

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Ancistrus sp. a nightmare to ID

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It has always been an head-hake to ID my ancistrus...
On the left I have an almost black ancistrus, when she was young, she was full of dots like common juvenile Ancistrus, but now show looks pretty dark...

CASE 1
her pics (she is on the left)
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the male ancistrus in the middle (I'm talking about the first pic) is another head-hake. I think he is an ancistrus cf. cirrhosus, but after so long, he is still rather small, not reaching 10 cm, IMO. And I still have a lot of doubts!

CASE 2
more pics from him:
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CASE 3
And yet another ancistrus, sold to me as Ancistrus Pitbull and I thought they were Ancistrus dolichopterus or maybe Ancistrus temminckii. they had black body with white dots, and two white tips at the fins. But now they are starting to like like my male ancistrus.

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I'll get more pics if it helps.
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Re: Ancistrus sp. a nightmare to ID

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None of your fish are A. dolichopterus. And it's very unlikely that anyone will find fish from Suriname in their LFS (that is, it is very unlikely to be ).

To me they all look as various ages of aka "Common Bristlenose".

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MatsP wrote: To me they all look as various ages of aka "Common Bristlenose".

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I agree.... :-BD
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another stores was selling these guys as A. dolichopterus and another as A. temminckii . So are these stores cheating?

In fact, the male and the female despite looking different already bred twice.
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Quo wrote:another stores was selling these guys as A. dolichopterus and another as A. temminckii . So are these stores cheating?

In fact, the male and the female despite looking different already bred twice.
Most lfs just sell them as they are told, ie, they don't know what they are and probably don't care. I don't think they are doing it on purpose, but in general Ancistrus are tough to ID, as you stated, but when you have no idea where the origins are and the collector gives you the wrong ID, you don't have a chance.
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Quo wrote:another stores was selling these guys as A. dolichopterus and another as A. temminckii . So are these stores cheating?
Possibly, but there are certainly several books, web-sites and wholesalers that label the common bristlenose as either A. dolichopterus or A. temminckii. A. dolichopterus is relatively easy to tell apart, as it's a black fish with really bright white spots, and more distinctive, it has at least 9 rays in the dorsal fin, which is very unusual in Ancistrus. A. temminickii, we can't say quite so surely that it's NOT, except for the fact that there is no export from Suriname, and there hasn't been any for many, many years (if ever, really). It just happens to be a fish that looks roughly the same - as does MANY others.

As Gary (2wheelsx2) says, the shop will sell fish "as sold to them", and most wholesalers and importers won't really care much about what the species is UNLESS it will give them more money.

Typically, here in England, youngsters sell in shops for about £3-5 (US$5-8) each (2.5cm/1" size), and adults anywhere from £8-20 (US$12-30) depending on shop. The adults upper end is similar prices to wild-caught "not too unusual looking" medium sized fish. But an adult A. dolichopterus will almost certainly cost in the range of £20-40 ($30-60), depending on shop. So about twice the price of a "common" fish.

Please be aware that prices vary from region to region, shop to shop, supply & demand, local competition, transport costs and many other things. So whilst those prices may be what I pay, someone living in Australia may be happy if they can get baby bristlenoses for less than US$30 [I don't actually know the prices in Australia, but I know they are much higher than here!]
In fact, the male and the female despite looking different already bred twice.
Another reason to believe they are actually the common species - they breed as long as there is water and food in the tank (Ok, you may need to make a little more of an effort than that, but they are really quite easy to breed).

Your female looks fairly similar to what my female looks like these days, quite dark with no noticable spots, and that's the same fish as in this picture:
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(In this picture, the fish is about 1 year old, and I've had the fish for almost 7 years now)

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Re: Ancistrus sp. a nightmare to ID

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Thanks for all the replies people. It has been really handy! ^:)^

my older ancistrus cost me 5 euros, he was already large. She was bought very young, a year and a half ago, and cost me 3 euros. The other ancistrus bought them really small and costed about 6 euros each, but the store sold the third at 4.5.

different species can interbreed and create hybrids naturally, am I right? That's what I thought...

I'm not really sad about this, cause I really really love this fish... still see them as exotic and alien. Love them.


thanks again!
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Re: Ancistrus sp. a nightmare to ID

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There is a strong possibility that some species of Ancistrus can cross-breed. However, I'm pretty certain all of yours are of the same (or very close) origin. I obviously can't prove that.

There was some research done recently on genetics of Ancistrus, and some of them had quite big differences in numbers of chromosomes.

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