Did you know fantastic help is an anagram of Planet Catfish? This forum is for those of you with pictures of your catfish who are looking for help identifying them. There are many here to help and a firm ID is the first step towards keeping your catfish in the best conditions.
No idea on group one, but the second looks like what I bought as L184 a couple years ago. The eventual concensus on these was they were actually L071. In time, I came to agree with that ID. They are still gorgeous fish. Compare to the L071 pics and decide for yourself as the spotted BN, as everyone has said before, are very difficult to ID.
Larry
Impossible only means that somebody hasn't done it correctly yet.