Any idea on these two?

[teddyman5]

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r4/t ... nspots.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r4/t ... nspots.jpg

[MatsP]

First one looks like a "snub nose" of

Pterygoplichthys pardalis

(juvenile colouration).
The second is harder to say, since it's not very clear in the picture.

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Mats

[sidguppy]

I think in the second pic he means the cat with whiskers; it's the same pleco in the background

the whiskered one is a -unfortunately quite deformed-

Megalechis thoracata

[teddyman5]

I don't mean the thoracatum, and it's not deformed. Also the plecs are not the same.
Thanks

[sidguppy]

hate to spioil the fun, but the thoracatum definitely is deformed
not your fault, but the fault of the massive inbreeding of this species

yours got an asymmetric mouth pointing left, a bulge on top of the skull and a downwards pointing snout.

wellformed specimen of this species are getting rare because of this

as fry they still look OK, but once raised to adulthood they often have a bulging stubby head, snub nose or an asymmetric headshape with bumbs and strange curves or even missing barbels.

in the catelog there are wellshaped Kwikwi's (see HERE) as well as a few deformed ones (a lumpy headed one, this one is too short, almost a Balloon fish and a 2 whiskered one

[MatsP]

For ID on the second fish, I'm afraid you'll have to get a better picture - it would really help to have a clearly visible dorsal fin (in raise position).

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Mats