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Sumatra pics (not all fish)

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Finally...

Here are some pics of my Sumatra trip. Didn't see too many catfishes, so you'll have to pardon the non-fish content.

We saw this juvenile siamang (Hylobates syndactylus) for sale at a pet store (which Ian thinks bears more than a passing resemblance to Pete). The mother was probably shot during its capture:
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I came back unscathed from the trip, save for this leech which got me between the toes. It's nothing like what Jools had to go through, but it's the only battle scar I can boast of at the moment:
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It was the monsoon season and the water levels were very high. Here's a shot of Sungai Dareh (a tributary of the Batang Hari river at its headwaters) during the monsoon. When I last saw the same river during the dry season 6 years ago, the water level was 3 meters lower, the water was crystal clear, and I could actually see all the way to the substrate (which consisted of large rounded boulders). The water level was low enough that time that boys were actually standing on the boulders in the substrate to fish with home-made spear guns:
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This is the habitat for Hemibagrus velox and Bagarius. Anglers fishing with hook and line off of the bridge also caught Laides hexanema.

Here's a smaller clearwater hillstream I sampled:
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It looked good, but all I caught were exotics (mollies and guppies), plus Homaloptera gymnogaster. There weren't any catfish in this stream:
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Another loach that is fairly common in the headwaters of the Batang Hari is Botia reversa:
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Many of the streams had shrimps, including this Macrobrachium with an interesting pattern:
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During the trip, I encountered wild-caught fish with coloration more stunning than in domesticated varieties. Here's a wild-caught male Trichogaster trichopterus:
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Our collection on this trip consisted largely of market purchases. Here's a sample of the fishes that can be seen at the weekly market in Sungai Dareh (the smaller yellowish catfish are an undescribed Leiocassis and the elongate Hemibagrus are H. velox:
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And here's a pile of Hemibagrus at the market (a mixture of H. nemurus and H. velox). Note the chunks of Bagarius in the foreground:
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The most interesting fish we obtained at the market wasn't a catfish. It was the fascinating fast-water cyprinid, Schismatorhynchos heterorhynchus, which is characterized by pronounced secondary rostrum. The local name for the fish is simanjong, which literally means "mouth again", in reference to this feature. The beautiful velvet coloration and the interesting shape would make this a fascinating aquarium fish:
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And now finally, for the catfishes. Here are two of the catfishes we bought at the Sungai Dareh market:
Bagarius:
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Undescribed Leiocassis:
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At another lowland stream, aquarium fish collectors obtained this undescribed blackwater Pseudomystus:
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The same site yielded Hyalobagrus flavus:
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My thanks to Barbie for temporarily hosting the pics.
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Cool! But more brown/cream Pseudomystus and Leiocassis? I thought it's difficult enough already... How did you catch the Botia reversa?

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That's so cool! I can't believe a Blue Gourami looks that good in the wild!

I big is that undescribed Pseudomystus? I have seen a fish that looks the same except smaller.
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Suckermouth wrote:I big is that undescribed Pseudomystus? I have seen a fish that looks the same except smaller.
There's a bunch of them that look similar.

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How did you catch the Botia reversa?
I didn't catch any botias myself. Quite a number of them were purchased from markets (including a 20 cm SL specimen, the largest B. reversa I had ever seen). The one in the picture was collected by fishermen electrofishing (which we subsequently bought).
At the voltages used, the fish were either dead or dying.

However, there was an aquarium fish exporter with us and there is a posibility that this species may be exported from Sumatra for the trade soon, since we were told that the fish is fairly common in the upper Batang Hari. Clown laches are caught simply by sticking bamboo tubes into the river bottom. Holes are cut in the tubes at regular intervals, which allow the fish to enter. The fish enter the tubes to shelter and are harvested simply by lifting the tubes out. I suspect the same method may be used to catch B. reversa.

The locals call this species baung cili, baung (pronounced ba-ong) being the name used for all Mystus and Hemibagrus.
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I big is that undescribed Pseudomystus?
They max out at about 2.5 inches. Thousands of these fish are exported for the aquarium trade during the dry season.
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great pics. I was going green with envy sick1 then I remembered that I'm due for a Sumatran adventure in 2004 :ohyeah:
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Hope some of those Pseudomystus will come all the way to Finland. :P Where in Sumatra you are going Johnny?

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Where in Sumatra you are going Johnny?
Not sure where, or how long, but I'd probably start off with a visit to my "family" (keluarga angkat) in Aceh. If time allows, I'd like to spend a few weeks in the Kerinci area.

Ideally I'd like to go for at least six months, but that would require a lot of planning (sell a business, rent out my house, housing for cat and catfishes etc...). I'm getting depressed just thinking about it. Much more likely that it would be a two or three week trip :cry:

Looking on the bright side: if I limit myself to 20 day trips, I may be able to fit in a trip to the Peruvian Amazon and Gabon as well ;) (although, knowing me, that would probably translate to three trips to Sumatra!)

Oh, and Heok Hee, who forgot his obat pacat? I guess it loses it's potency if you are constantly walking in and out of the water, but I found tobacco juice or washing powder (smeared on feet and ankles) to be a very effective prophylaxis against leech bites.
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The local name for the fish is simanjong, which literally means "mouth again"
What language is that? It's ringing a few distant bells in my head, but I quite resolve it.
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who forgot his obat pacat?
That was the first (and probably last) time I fish in sandals. I usually wear dive boots, but got lazy that time.

Kerinci is nice and cool. Don't forget to check out the market at Sungaipenuh. Not very many catfishes there, but you'd still see Hemibagrus velox, Clarias olivaceus, Glyptothorax and the odd Bagarius.
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That was the first (and probably last) time I fish in sandals.
I was told that it is rude to fish in sandals. The fish take offense if you don't remove your shoes before you enter their house (the river) and you won't catch anything. Dive boots would be a pretty effective obat pacat, though...
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That was important advice Johnny :wink: , i wear cheap plastic shoes in rocky places but nothing in other waters. Kerinci sounds nice, please send pictures of the fishes when you get back. Selamat jalan!

Silurus thanks for sharing the photos, got me interested in Pseudomystus and Leiocassis. I read somewhere that difference between Pseudomystus and Leiocassis is some dorsal ray spine orientation(or something like that, pointing upwards in other, downwards in other). Have to check on that, but are there other more general differences between the two?

There is Pseudomystus aff. leiacanthus in the database. It is also blackwater species. Where does that fish come from?

I had(have?) one Leiocassis sp. from my trip to Kalbar. Shanes article http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworl ... _asia2.htm gave me hope that my vanished Leiocassis might be just in the mood not to appear to me. Maybe one day i get to check is it micropogon or poecilopterus.

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please send pictures of the fishes when you get back
Actually, I'm heading to Kerinci in search of the elusive orang pendek. I've probably got more chance of seeing catfish, though :wink:
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Have fun with both orang pendek and catfishes Johnny! I have been once in Sumatra spending time with orang hutan. :D

And what i saw was in Kottelat's Fishes of Laos(2001).
From the key:
"Teeth on posterior margin of dorsal spine directed downwards.......Pseudomystus"
"Teeth on posterior margin of dorsal spine directed upwards..........Bagrichthys"
It was the key to Laotian Bagrids, no Leiocassis. So what is the difference between Pseudomystus and Leiocassis then..?

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So what is the difference between Pseudomystus and Leiocassis?
Nothing to do with the orientation of the dorsal-spine serrations. The long-snouted bumblebees are all Leiocassis, while the short-snouted bumblebees are Pseudomystus, to put it simply.
There is only one blackwater Pseudomystus known (which means that my fish is the same as the P. aff. leicanthus of the Cat-eLog).
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Thanks Silurus, my fish has a long snout for sure, so i will now wait for my Leiocassis to come out... :roll:

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Silurus wrote:We saw this juvenile siamang (Hylobates syndactylus) for sale at a pet store (which Ian thinks bears more than a passing resemblance to Pete).
Just coz I'm in Cambridge at the moment doesn't mean I can't read this....
Silurus wrote:Many of the streams had shrimps, including this Macrobrachium with an interesting pattern:
Wow! That's a certain seller. Looks like some of the Atyids in body shape.
Silurus wrote: During the trip, I encountered wild-caught fish with coloration more stunning than in domesticated varieties. Here's a wild-caught male Trichogaster trichopterus:
They're the same in Malaysia, absolutely stunning.
Silurus wrote:The beautiful velvet coloration and the interesting shape would make this a fascinating aquarium fish:
Too big IMO, I've seen pics of this fish at around 30". Great for a public aquarium though.
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did you see any birds?
I could identified them.
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