Czech breed inSynodontis spp.(list)

Mika · Post by **Mika** » 27 Jan 2005, 12:30

This list i found from Profi-aquarium site http://www.profi-aquarium.cz/indexen1.html

Very impressive.Hope their not all mixed species.
Synodontis aterrimus
Synodontis decorus
Synodontis eupterus
Synodontis eupterus gold
Synodontis frontatus
Synodontis granulosus
Synodontis marmoratus
Synodontis multipunctatus
Synodontis multipunctatus black
Synodontis multipunctatus silver
Synodontis nigrita
Synodontis nigrita gold
Synodontis nigromaculatus
Synodontis nyassae
Synodontis ocellifer
Synodontis ornatipinis
Synodontis pardalis
Synodontis petricola
Synodontis schoutedeni
Synodontis velifer

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 27 Jan 2005, 13:47

Hope their not all mixed species.

Synodontis granulosus

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 27 Jan 2005, 15:10

you can bet safely on it that they ARE all hybrids, in wich only one parent is the species as stated and the other parents are cheap nigrita or eupterus.

I have yet to see a SINGLE Syno from there that is NOT a hybrid!

bunjiweb · Post by **bunjiweb** » 28 Jan 2005, 13:46

How can they sell a hybrid as one of these species?

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 28 Jan 2005, 13:53

bunjiweb wrote:How can they sell a hybrid as one of these species?

I guess this falls into two categories:
1. Moneygrabbing unscrupulous "businessmen" (or crooks, if you prefer). The people who sell these fish don't care about the customers (as long as the customer pays for the product), just about making money.

2. Customers ignorance. Most customers (me included) don't necessarily have the knowledge to tell the hybrid from the "genuine" article.

Of course, this discussion, and similar ones at aquarium shops and other places where people discuss fish is a good starting point to eradicate #2. If #2 is no longer there, then #1 will not be making any money, and will start doing some other semi-criminal activity instead.

Unfortunately, I think it's not trivial to get rid of #2... But educating the sales-people in the shop would be a good starting point.

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Mats

syno321 · Post by **syno321** » 01 Mar 2005, 02:00

One of our lfs brought in a shipment from there and the fish that they are trying to pass off as S. multipunctatus are definitely hybrids. No color in the fins, atypical spots, and gold base color lead one to be very cautious about imports from there.

worton[pl] · Post by **worton[pl]** » 01 Mar 2005, 10:30

ok they create hybrids but yesterday I talked with a friend who knows something about one fish importer in Czech. You know what they do? They put young, expensive, popular fish like (h. zebra) to malachite green so they cannot breed when they mature or even better (for this importer) they die without any symptoms so they can sell more.
This world sucks.

Mika · Post by **Mika** » 01 Mar 2005, 10:42

That sounds like urban legend.

worton[pl] · Post by **worton[pl]** » 01 Mar 2005, 15:12

ekk what means urban legend? :P
I didn't want to belive him, but he show me a photos in X-rays of a parrots (rare species) with broken pelvis, so they were unable to breed and they appeared normal (untill you can see bones). Sounds crazy I know.

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 07 Mar 2005, 09:51

Urban legend: "Modern fairy tales", like the stories going around where a friend of a friends friend knew someone that identified a bone of a rat in a pizza. Very few of these stories are actually true, but they are spread around as if they were. If you google on Urban Legend, you'll find a heap of web-sites that prove or debunk the "myth" of these stories.

If you sell H. Zebra to a shop, and the fish dies before it reaches the end-customer, it's not particularly good for the breeder/distributor chain, because that shop will probably find another distributor that doesn't have "dying" fish for sale. So that would be a touchy business to be in. [I'm assuming here that H. Zebra aren't so easy to sell that once you've got a bunch in, they're sold instantly. And considering the amount that you (don't) see in the local shops of any fish that is more than 100 dollars/euro/pound, they don't fly out of the tanks).

Also, I think that there is little reason to "force" the non-breeding, as most fish-keepers will not be able to compete with the commercial breeders anyways. Ok, so you probably prevent one or two competing commercial breeders from using your fish to breed, but most commercial breeders would get wild-caught fish anyways, because you want to know that the fish isn't already inbred when you get them...

Of course, something that makes the fish grow very quickly (hormonal or otherwise) would benefit the breeder, but only if it gives reasonably stable fish that doesn't die in too large numbers when they are still in the shops.

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Mats

worton[pl] · Post by **worton[pl]** » 07 Mar 2005, 22:50

yes you are right but I got no reasons to unbelived friends :P It sounds stupid I know but all this eastern countries are that of freaks so who knows ;)

Czech breed inSynodontis spp.(list)

Czech breed inSynodontis spp.(list)

hybrids from Czech Rep.