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zenyfish · Post by **zenyfish** » 14 Jun 2006, 22:26

These are my guesses (cause I'm no expert, but I thought it'd be fun to try):

#2 Multipunctatus
#3 Tanganyicae

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 15 Jun 2006, 15:46

unfortunately; no.

#1: hybrid
#2: hybrid or very pale inbred multipunctatus. my money's on hybrid, though.
#3: hybrid......

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 15 Jun 2006, 16:39

Picture 2 shows a Synodontis multipunctatus.

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 15 Jun 2006, 17:08

I'm not so sure about that, the fins lack almost all the black parts, even the dorsal; hence my opinion about it being a hybrid or a very bad quality multipunctatus.

1 and 3 are definitely hybrids, but 2 is a bit of an enigma.

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Post by **Marc van Arc** » 15 Jun 2006, 19:13

oliv wrote:Really, all this hybrids, even brothers and sisters

Are you saying you already knew these were hybrids?? If so, why ask? You're wasting my time!

CEfire · Post by **CEfire** » 15 Jun 2006, 19:29

Wow, that was harsh eh? I think he was just shocked that they were all hybrids.

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sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 18 Jun 2006, 18:42

THIS is what a good quality multipunctatus looks like.

another good example from the southern variety, wich has less black, but still has a black patch in the dorsal and a black 'V' in the tail is shown HERE

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MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 19 Jun 2006, 14:57

What is BAD about hybrids is that they are crosses between one specie and another. Note that this is different from for example "mutt" dogs, where the result is still a dog, but no longer a pure-bred dog. This is more akin to crossing a dog with a cat - which for obvious reasons doesn't happen in nature - nor is it very likely that the Syno's will cross in nature - but some syringe-wielding breeders are doing it to the fish by injecting them with hormones (as the two species will NOT breed naturally) and then stripping the roe and milt, often killing one or both parents in the process.

The reason they don't just breed both species baffles me a little bit - I think one reason may be that the hormone injection is difficult, and using one side in a "common" species and the other a more rare species makes it less costly and easier - but I'm absolutely guessing here...

I'm not a fan of hormonal breeding in the first place, but doing it to "create new species" is absolutely beyond the "valid rules" to me...

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MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 19 Jun 2006, 19:03

You can find SOME of the ideas here:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/269.PHP

That's by far not a complete list of differences, but it gives you some hints on what to look for. I think the real key is to exactly identify the species BEFORE buying, and if it can't be identified to a known species, then it's likely to be a hybrid.

Of course, the other key-hint is if it's really wild-caught or tank-bred - if it's tank-bred in for instance the Czech republic, it is VERY likely to be a hybrid. But of course, the LFS may well lie about the origins of the fish, if they are AWARE that they are hybrids.

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