clown plecos ? L-number or scientific name

Harley · Post by **Harley** » 11 Apr 2003, 18:57

Hello

I would like to have a positiv ID with L-number if possible on my 3 catfishes that i bought today as Clown Plecos.
They are a bit small, 4-5 cm

thanks !

Post by **Silurus** » 11 Apr 2003, 19:37

Looks like Panaque (or Panaqolus to some) maccus ( L104/L162/LDA22).

Harley · Post by **Harley** » 11 Apr 2003, 19:56

yepp i think so too.
But witch one of the three L-numbers is it ?

Post by **Janne** » 11 Apr 2003, 21:31

It's all three, L104, L162 and LDA22 are the same species...Panaque maccus.
They are mature at 2 1/2" (6 cm) and they will not grow bigger then 4" (10 cm).

Janne

Harley · Post by **Harley** » 12 Apr 2003, 09:24

aahhh i see.

thanx´s

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 12 Apr 2003, 09:57

Janne wrote:It's all three, L104, L162 and LDA22 are the same species...Panaque maccus.
They are mature at 2 1/2" (6 cm) and they will not grow bigger then 4" (10 cm).

Janne

I still not have been able to see one that would grow to 10cm/4''!
THe biggest I have ever seen was 2 1/2 '' 6cm.
And I have seen specimens showing clearly maturity at 5 cm/2 ''
Cheers
Yann

Ben · Post by **Ben** » 12 Apr 2003, 11:29

Agreed! Mine have all stopped growing at about 2.5", one of them is about 3". I'm glad you said this Yann, because when the thread started it got me thinking about mine, and how they haven't grown in a while...however all seem wonderfully healthy, active and behave sexually mature (though they have not yet spawned)

yannfulliquet wrote: I still not have been able to see one that would grow to 10cm/4''!
THe biggest I have ever seen was 2 1/2 '' 6cm.
And I have seen specimens showing clearly maturity at 5 cm/2 ''
Cheers
Yann

T · Post by T » 12 Apr 2003, 14:52

Mine dont seem to have grown much either although one is very fat.I seen lome in the lfs that must have been at least 3-4".

Harley · Post by **Harley** » 13 Apr 2003, 09:51

Hmm ok. Well i gues im gona have to powerfeed mine then =/ Its gona take a while before they reach 6cm. Do you guys know if there is any food that i can give them that they really like ?

One more question, is this fish caught live or is it bred(?) in captivity ?
(i dont remember ther right words, but i think you see what i meen)

Ben · Post by **Ben** » 13 Apr 2003, 10:52

Mine love zuchini and frsh peas.

I would assume they are captive bread, as they are a fairly easy to breed pleco.

Post by **Shane** » 13 Apr 2003, 15:58

I have collected thousands of these things in the llanos. Four inches (total length) is about the maximum size for an old female. I have never seen a male this big. They are very slow growing. I believe that this is because their natural diet (wood) is very low in nutrition. You can speed up growth a bit by having vegetables always available, but I would not suggest feeding "meaty" foods more than once a week as their very long intestines are not adapted to a protein diet and can clog easily. Just be sure to provide several different types of driftwood so that they get a balanced diet. They can finish off a fairly large piece of driftwood every year. South of the Rio Meta, P. maccus is replaced by LDA 68. I am not sure if they are two different spp. or if LDA 68 is just a southern form of P. maccus.
To my knowledge, the vast majority are wild imports from the Colombian llanos. This is an extremely common fish that is easy to collect. I know that many hobbyists have had success spawning them, but I am not aware of any commercial breeding of this sp.
-Shane

Sid Guppy · Post by **Sid Guppy** » 13 Apr 2003, 18:41

Shane, do you have any clue where this one's close relative; the panaquolus LDA 01 comes from? this one too, is a woodeater, and about the only differences seem those broad orange stripes on the whole body (including the face) and the size, as LDA 01 grows slightly bigger, and easily reaches 8-10 cm.

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 13 Apr 2003, 20:07

Hi!

Panaqolus LDA01 is more closely related to L02/L169...
I have asked Erwin Schraml if he knew where LDA01 was caught exactly he told me he had no idea, the only thing he knew was that he was caught in Brazil but not catching locality was given!
Cheers
Yann

Post by **Janne** » 13 Apr 2003, 20:46

They are "commersial" breeding Panaque maccus in the czeck republic, I dont know how big or many they have to breed to call it commersial but we usually order them from there and not from south america like we usually do with all other L-numbers.
By the way, they call them only clown plecos or Peckoltia vittata.

Janne